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Is it true? I dunno

PPRM

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I was going to poston another thread, but decided to post my own....

I read a lot of things that make sense, but have no idea if there is any truth to them....

Here is the general idea of the thougts I am talking about.....


The Big packers seemingly want to sell cheaper Beef...Maybe it will be Australian, but the idea that globalization will have this effect. Comments that they seemingly introduce more of this stuff and it becomes the expetaition of people buying it....

The second line of thought is if they lose customers to Pork and Chicken, Tyson becomes more Profitable......

Here is the kicker we in North America have.....We can still make Beef that will blow the Doors Off!.....We know how to make a product that has soo much flavor, people crave it..People will pay more...

Hell, I read mrj post that "we have all had beef from a calf that broke it's leg"...The context was about how good ranch raised beef is.....If a calf that has not been finished and has undergone that stress yields meat superior to what you can find at the grocery store.....Well....How hard can it be to win the consumer in that game?

W can win back some Power with a product people will easily pay more for....This whole deal reminds me of the Microbrewery industry..People can craft a variety of good Beef Brands just like they did with a variety of Beers.....We talk like "The big boys won't let us"...Ummmmmm...How small was Budwieser and Coors?

Just some random thoughts, mainly from reading how tough it has been for our Northern Friends.....I hope you can all last through this and will find prosperity in the future...Myself, i don't think we are done....We just can't keep doing the same things,

PPRM
 

Soapweed

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PPRM said:
I was going to poston another thread, but decided to post my own....

I read a lot of things that make sense, but have no idea if there is any truth to them....

Here is the general idea of the thougts I am talking about.....


The Big packers seemingly want to sell cheaper Beef...Maybe it will be Australian, but the idea that globalization will have this effect. Comments that they seemingly introduce more of this stuff and it becomes the expetaition of people buying it....

The second line of thought is if they lose customers to Pork and Chicken, Tyson becomes more Profitable......

Here is the kicker we in North America have.....We can still make Beef that will blow the Doors Off!.....We know how to make a product that has soo much flavor, people crave it..People will pay more...

Hell, I read mrj post that "we have all had beef from a calf that broke it's leg"...The context was about how good ranch raised beef is.....If a calf that has not been finished and has undergone that stress yields meat superior to what you can find at the grocery store.....Well....How hard can it be to win the consumer in that game?

W can win back some Power with a product people will easily pay more for....This whole deal reminds me of the Microbrewery industry..People can craft a variety of good Beef Brands just like they did with a variety of Beers.....We talk like "The big boys won't let us"...Ummmmmm...How small was Budwieser and Coors?

Just some random thoughts, mainly from reading how tough it has been for our Northern Friends.....I hope you can all last through this and will find prosperity in the future...Myself, i don't think we are done....We just can't keep doing the same things,

PPRM

Good thoughts, PPRM. A couple years ago I was in a discussion with a "doom-and-gloom R-Calfer type" :wink: :) who was complaining that ranching is no longer a viable opportunity for young people. He said, "Is there any chance for your kid or mine to buck the likes of John Tyson?"

I said, "Heck yes, this is America. If my kid wants to put forth the effort and go for the gusto, he can even BE another John Tyson."

Never give up, as this sports clip shows.

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3083220&categoryId=2378529
 

Tex

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Soapweed said:
PPRM said:
I was going to poston another thread, but decided to post my own....

I read a lot of things that make sense, but have no idea if there is any truth to them....

Here is the general idea of the thougts I am talking about.....


The Big packers seemingly want to sell cheaper Beef...Maybe it will be Australian, but the idea that globalization will have this effect. Comments that they seemingly introduce more of this stuff and it becomes the expetaition of people buying it....

The second line of thought is if they lose customers to Pork and Chicken, Tyson becomes more Profitable......

Here is the kicker we in North America have.....We can still make Beef that will blow the Doors Off!.....We know how to make a product that has soo much flavor, people crave it..People will pay more...

Hell, I read mrj post that "we have all had beef from a calf that broke it's leg"...The context was about how good ranch raised beef is.....If a calf that has not been finished and has undergone that stress yields meat superior to what you can find at the grocery store.....Well....How hard can it be to win the consumer in that game?

W can win back some Power with a product people will easily pay more for....This whole deal reminds me of the Microbrewery industry..People can craft a variety of good Beef Brands just like they did with a variety of Beers.....We talk like "The big boys won't let us"...Ummmmmm...How small was Budwieser and Coors?

Just some random thoughts, mainly from reading how tough it has been for our Northern Friends.....I hope you can all last through this and will find prosperity in the future...Myself, i don't think we are done....We just can't keep doing the same things,

PPRM

Good thoughts, PPRM. A couple years ago I was in a discussion with a "doom-and-gloom R-Calfer type" :wink: :) who was complaining that ranching is no longer a viable opportunity for young people. He said, "Is there any chance for your kid or mine to buck the likes of John Tyson?"

I said, "Heck yes, this is America. If my kid wants to put forth the effort and go for the gusto, he can even BE another John Tyson."

Never give up, as this sports clip shows.

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3083220&categoryId=2378529

RM's model does show that you can still be successful. It is so much easier to manage and handle the things you can control than the things you can't. RM is a perfect example.
 

RobertMac

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Soapweed said:
I said, "Heck yes, this is America. If my kid wants to put forth the effort and go for the gusto, he can even BE another John Tyson."

Yes, the opportunity IS there, but your kid is not likely to become another John Tyson by doing the same thing John Tyson is doing...you have to give consumers a reason to change!!!!

PPRM, your Microbrewery analogy is a good one, but the above statement also applies. The novelty will quickly wear off if your beer taste the same as Bud and Coors. And if you think you can sell cheaper than them, you will go broke long before Bud, Coors, or John Tyson finds the bottom of their pockets!! The key is matching unique production to unique market!!!
 

andybob

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I was speaking to a friend in England yesterday who manages a large outdoor pig breeding/finishing company. They have a contract with the largest up market store (Waitrose) who pay a premium for the 'naturally raised' pork. This is not organic, just bred and raised outdoors and they have to conform to an animal wefare code which is not at all unreasonable, the company is presently expanding and has just started two new 650 sow units, with more in the pipeline, while intensive farms are going broke. Their competition includes cheap imported pork from Smithfields Polish division, (Romania is off line due to swine fever), but the British public are voting with their money for local, welfare friendly meat. The market for ranch beef is there, you just need to have the correct marketing strategy to exploit it.
 

Ben Roberts

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PPRM, i'm not a doom-and-gloom person, when I speak of the end of our cattle industry, i'm speaking of an industry in general, nation wide. What ever the rest of the industry does has little effect on what I do.

What I do though, won't take care of this nations supply of cattle.


Best Regards
Ben Roberts
 

rkaiser

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Soapweed wrote.
I said, "Heck yes, this is America. If my kid wants to put forth the effort and go for the gusto, he can even BE another John Tyson."

Soapweed soapweed soapweed. I never thought that a moral and down to earth type fellow like yourself would ever ---- even in your wildest dreams want your child to sell his soul to the devil like Johnny ---Machine Gun did.

Please give us another example of an icon you could say has lived the American dream.
 

Sandhusker

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rkaiser said:
Soapweed wrote.
I said, "Heck yes, this is America. If my kid wants to put forth the effort and go for the gusto, he can even BE another John Tyson."

Soapweed soapweed soapweed. I never thought that a moral and down to earth type fellow like yourself would ever ---- even in your wildest dreams want your child to sell his soul to the devil like Johnny ---Machine Gun did.

Please give us another example of an icon you could say has lived the American dream.

Junior is going to have to learn to live with his company racking up felonies and how to grease the Secretary of Agriculture if he is going to model after Tyson.
 

Soapweed

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I don't necessarily want my kid to become another John Tyson. I am just saying that we live in the best and freest country in the world. As far as American humanity is concerned, the cream rises to the top. Any American kid can dream about doing anything they want to be, and if they want it bad enough, their dream can become fulfilled. If you get bucked off, get up off the ground, dust the dirt off of your britches, and get back on. You don't have to stay laying on the ground. For the record, my kid has no yearning to become another John Tyson. :wink: :)

"Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life." There is a lot of merit in that statement. Success can mean a lot of things, and the money part of it is only part of the equation. General happiness, love of family, kids turning out to be useful citizens, an occupation you like--these are all far more important than becoming rich.
 

rkaiser

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Soapweed
For the record, my kid has no yearning to become another John Tyson. :wink:


Thank heaven Soapweed. We need another cagey businessman like old Johnny just about as much as we need to clone that Chaney fellow. :roll:

No argument with the rest of your post either. I just wish that we could show some of those boys on the "giving up" thread a bit of news that would bring their spirit back in to the game. Canada will always produce beef and we will find a way to make it profitable once again. If the boys at Rcalf would rather have Brazilian beef than Canadian - I will likely not be able to change their minds. But when I can offer the American consumer a BSE tested Galloway steak - I don't think that Rcalf's opinion on Canadian imports will really matter any more.
 

Sandhusker

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rkaiser said:
Soapweed
For the record, my kid has no yearning to become another John Tyson. :wink:


Thank heaven Soapweed. We need another cagey businessman like old Johnny just about as much as we need to clone that Chaney fellow. :roll:

No argument with the rest of your post either. I just wish that we could show some of those boys on the "giving up" thread a bit of news that would bring their spirit back in to the game. Canada will always produce beef and we will find a way to make it profitable once again. If the boys at Rcalf would rather have Brazilian beef than Canadian - I will likely not be able to change their minds. But when I can offer the American consumer a BSE tested Galloway steak - I don't think that Rcalf's opinion on Canadian imports will really matter any more.

NCBA is the outfit that has no problem with Brazilian beef, not R-CALF.
 

rkaiser

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You can't starve your population old boy. They are going to get it somewhere if not for disease ridden Canada.

Is your mouth watering for the BSE tested Canadian Galloway steak yet banker boy.

We have this ad up here on the TV that reminds me of you each time I see it. These pest control guys who work for some company who claims not to be a bank, but a company that works with your money, set out traps for these pests they call bankers.
They catch few of these half bald suit wearing loan officers in these big mouse traps with cash for bait.

One of the best ads on the boob toob I have seen in a long time :lol:
 

rkaiser

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Just made one of the most lucrative "natural beef" agreements this morning, that this country has seen.

Wanna finance this little thing that has potential to grow to 150 head a week in a very short time.

Just teasing - Sandcheezer - wouldn't want to use the American rouble for a deal like this. 8)
 

Sandhusker

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rkaiser said:
Just made one of the most lucrative "natural beef" agreements this morning, that this country has seen.

Wanna finance this little thing that has potential to grow to 150 head a week in a very short time.

Just teasing - Sandcheezer - wouldn't want to use the American rouble for a deal like this. 8)


I'll just wish you good luck.
 

PPRM

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RobertMac said:
Soapweed said:
I said, "Heck yes, this is America. If my kid wants to put forth the effort and go for the gusto, he can even BE another John Tyson."

Yes, the opportunity IS there, but your kid is not likely to become another John Tyson by doing the same thing John Tyson is doing...you have to give consumers a reason to change!!!!

PPRM, your Microbrewery analogy is a good one, but the above statement also applies. The novelty will quickly wear off if your beer taste the same as Bud and Coors. And if you think you can sell cheaper than them, you will go broke long before Bud, Coors, or John Tyson finds the bottom of their pockets!! The key is matching unique production to unique market!!!

Robert mac,

I agree whole heartidly.....Thing is, my beef tastes nothing like what you gt from the big processors. That is what makes the analogy good. People are addicted to the flavor, not the novelty...

As far as pricing, I jumped mine way up this year and anxiously held my breath....The mistake I made was not really investigating the supermarket prices. I did at a point notice them, but mistakedly felt they were temporarily high and would come down.....

Also, it appears that Fats are dropping and will be interesting to see how the supermarkets respond. My guess is we will see specials on Rib Steaks for $5.99/lb......My customers have tried those and come back to me to buy the $10.00 ones. The $5.99 ones dissapppointed them...

Soap, I think we sometimes can fall into the trap of looking at what is wrong or hard...And let it grow in our minds to be bigger than it is. Your post was a good one and I appreciate it. If John Tyson did so well, imagine what someone can do if they are actually of the charachter that someone actually enjoys doing busines with them?
 

PPRM

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Ben Roberts said:
PPRM, i'm not a doom-and-gloom person, when I speak of the end of our cattle industry, i'm speaking of an industry in general, nation wide. What ever the rest of the industry does has little effect on what I do.

What I do though, won't take care of this nations supply of cattle.


Best Regards
Ben Roberts

Ben,

I never have interpreted you as a doom and gloom person. I must admit, I really haven't taken the time to completely figure out who you are. You certainly haven't tried to hide it, so that is not it. But what little I do know, I see you as someone who recognizes opportunities...

I am looking for a second USDA Inspected plant to deal with so all my eggs aren't in one baset. The hardest art s finding someone that allows the dry aging I require and uses Butcher Paper.....I am just not into Plastic Packaging.....If you can know of someone, I'd appreciate it,

PPRM
 
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