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Is NCBA a Protectionist- Isolationist Group?

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Anonymous

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This is an excerpt from and 4/11/06 Rapid City Journal article....How come Super Hero, his Mama Maxine, and the Canucks aren't screaming about the protectionist activities of the NCBA.. :???: :lol:

The National Cattlemen’s Beef Association and the South Dakota Cattlemen’s Association have favored reopening the border to younger Canadian cattle and beef. They say Canada’s beef ban and other safeguards, which are similar to those in the U.S., are adequate to prevent the spread of BSE and to assure the safety of beef for consumers.

However, NCBA opposes allowing the importation of older Canadian cattle and beef from the older cattle, although for different reasons.

NCBA spokesman Joe Schuele said Canada is making it difficult for U.S. producers to ship breeding animals to that country because of animal-health rules that are no longer necessary.


Our concern is more about getting fair trade both ways,” Schuele said. “If we open the border to older cattle, we don’t have a lot of bargaining position left.”

South Dakota Cattlemen’s Association executive director Jodie Hickman agreed, saying SDCA wouldn’t support the older-than-30-month rule until trade is “harmonized” on all issues between the two countries.
 

mrj

Well-known member
Sadlly, Haymaker, you are too ill-informed to understand, or admit, that Canadian reluctance to modernize their rules on Blue Tongue and Anaplasmosis are posing difficult trade barriers.

Trade with Canada has been ongoing since the cattle industry began in the area from TX to Canada in the 1800's, with benefits to all concerned, particularly in cattle genetics.

NCBA members do not want that good relationship discontinued due to foolish reasoning.

BTW, apparently you have no clue to much of anything on this site, other than calling people names.

MRJ
 
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Anonymous

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MRJ said:
Sadlly, Haymaker, you are too ill-informed to understand,

Haymaker--Now you're getting cussed out for just living :lol: :lol: But you'll have to forgive ol Maxine- Age and all that NCBA convention partying is catching up with her-- Maybe those other guys are right about her closet drinking.... :wink: :lol: :lol:
 

Denny

Well-known member
MRJ said:
Sadlly, Haymaker, you are too ill-informed to understand, or admit, that Canadian reluctance to modernize their rules on Blue Tongue and Anaplasmosis are posing difficult trade barriers.

Trade with Canada has been ongoing since the cattle industry began in the area from TX to Canada in the 1800's, with benefits to all concerned, particularly in cattle genetics.

NCBA members do not want that good relationship discontinued due to foolish reasoning.

BTW, apparently you have no clue to much of anything on this site, other than calling people names.

MRJ


That post was by Oldtimer not Haymaker.


MRJ?

Our local cattlemens assn: is holding a meeting on May 3rd we have invited the Mn state cattlemens Assn R-CALF and NCBA the first two are sending someone but NCBA Will not I asked ~SH~ if he knows of anyone from NCBA that would be willing to attend.It is ment to be an informative meeting for members and non members alike.The problem I see with NCBA is they are so closed minded that they wont even give this meeting a chance.Unless we pay them for their time.They want members but wont come and explain why to our members.I'm not a member of R-CALF or NCBA,I see no reason until both outfits get their stuff together maybe they could change my mind but dont send me an application asking for money thats not going to do it.Why wont they explain themselves and show why we should join????? What are the Benefits???????
 

HAY MAKER

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
MRJ said:
Sadlly, Haymaker, you are too ill-informed to understand,

Haymaker--Now you're getting cussed out for just living :lol: :lol: But you'll have to forgive ol Maxine- Age and all that NCBA convention partying is catching up with her-- Maybe those other guys are right about her closet drinking.... :wink: :lol: :lol:

I dont pay any attention to that ole woman,the only reason she posts this board is because she can get a lil attention,truth be known she damn sure aint gettin any at home..........good luck
 

Denny

Well-known member
HAY MAKER said:
Oldtimer said:
MRJ said:
Sadlly, Haymaker, you are too ill-informed to understand,

Haymaker--Now you're getting cussed out for just living :lol: :lol: But you'll have to forgive ol Maxine- Age and all that NCBA convention partying is catching up with her-- Maybe those other guys are right about her closet drinking.... :wink: :lol: :lol:

I dont pay any attention to that ole woman,the only reason she posts this board is because she can get a lil attention,truth be known she damn sure aint gettin any at home..........good luck

Now thats funny :liar:
 

fedup2

Well-known member
Good luck with your meeting Denny. I hope all show up.
I was on another forum for many years. There were two people on this forum who were always the toughest, smartest, & the best at everything.
After a few years on this forum we decided to get together in Vegas and meet each other and discuss things face to face. You guessed it, I went 3 years in a row and these two guys never showed up. When they sat at their computer, they could call people liars, insult them, take their remarks and tear them to pieces. In real life they didn’t have the balls to look someone in the eye and debate them.

First of all, they might make off the cuff remarks that might come back to bite them. Second, they needed facts because ridicule would not get the job done. They just didn’t have the balls they had when sitting behind their computers safe in cyber space.

That is why I always take offence when people are tough guys on forums. I know what they are really like & why they will never debate anyone face to face. I am not pointing fingers at the NCBA, R-Calf, or anyone else. I am telling you what I have found out from experience. Talk to a person like you are looking them in the eyes & then you can have a discussion. I don't believe your group is asking to much of anyone.
 

Denny

Well-known member
fedup2 said:
Good luck with your meeting Denny. I hope all show up.
I was on another forum for many years. There were two people on this forum who were always the toughest, smartest, & the best at everything.
After a few years on this forum we decided to get together in Vegas and meet each other and discuss things face to face. You guessed it, I went 3 years in a row and these two guys never showed up. When they sat at their computer, they could call people liars, insult them, take their remarks and tear them to pieces. In real life they didn’t have the balls to look someone in the eye and debate them.

First of all, they might make off the cuff remarks that might come back to bite them. Second, they needed facts because ridicule would not get the job done. They just didn’t have the balls they had when sitting behind their computers safe in cyber space.

That is why I always take offence when people are tough guys on forums. I know what they are really like & why they will never debate anyone face to face. I am not pointing fingers at the NCBA, R-Calf, or anyone else. I am telling you what I have found out from experience. Talk to a person like you are looking them in the eyes & then you can have a discussion. I don't believe your group is asking to much of anyone.

Thanks I would bet 90% of our members don't belong to R-CALF or NCBA this is basically put your money where your mouth is meeting.Our last 2 meeting 's our state orginization has had a rep at trying to drum up members for the state and NCBA our members want to know the benefits of joining before we just join.

I am going to Vegas in june if you ever need to meet someone in Vegas my wife and I go quite often we just need an excuse.And they don't have to be very good one's.

One more thing if someone talked to me in person like some do here they would need to learn some manners.Were supose to be adult's some here arent and have basically ruined this forum.It's sickening to say the least.
 

the chief

Well-known member
Denny, good luck on that meeting. The inability of one of the largest groups of producers in the United States to show up and be heard says a lot to me. It tells me they are not interested in the people in your area and they are afraid to put their record on the line. Maybe it is because they are more packer-driven than producer-driven. Kind of like the NPPC's stance 10-15 years ago. "Let's help Big Porky because that is where the checkoff dollars are." Well, look where it got them: a few hog house janitors for membership and they are begging for money to keep operating. :cry:

RCalf came to Illinois and the attendance and interest was incredible. I think you will appreciate where they are coming from. They are trying to help the producer in America profitable another year; not just merely survive while being led down the path to destruction by a commodity group that stands in the same line as NPPC.
 
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Anonymous

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Nobody is helped in this industry from lies. Lies about packer concentration, lies about captive supplies, lies about the affect of imports, lies about USDA, lies about NCBA.

R-CALF's entire platform is based on misinformation and lies. That's why there is so many contradictions. That's why they can't win a court decision.

How anyone can support an organization that risks the integrity of 80% of our US beef consumption by aligning themselves with anti beef "so called" consumer groups to stop Canadian imports with their BSE "fear mongering" is almost beyond comprehension.

The only thing R-CALF has done for the producer is to take money from them and give it to their lawyers.


Denny,

It's too bad an NCBA representative hasn't agreed to be there. I think NCBA as an organization has let the Livestock Marketing Police and their followers walk all over them without defending their positions. I don't agree with every policy that comes from NCBA and when I don't, I voice my opposition. I agree with R-CALF on nothing. NCBA's views are based on facts while R-CALF runs totally on emotion. That's not hard to sort out. If R-CALF's positions were supportable, they could bring proof of market manipulation instead of baseless allegations and unsupported theories. If you'd like, I could send you the tapes from the Governor's cattle conference that was held in SD a few years ago when I get them sent back to me. The R-CALF/LMA representatives stood up and made statements and Andy Gottschalk presented the facts. Nobody could touch the facts. I have had many neutral parties view those tapes and come away knowing who was telling them the truth and who was just making political statements.

True honest debate doesn't happen near enough. R-CALF makes statements and they are never challenged for the facts that support them. Just look at their record in court. Conman and Sandbag can make statements about market manipulation until the end of time but neither can offer a stitch of proof to back those theories. They dance like circus chickens to avoid incriminating themselves. It's enjoyable to expose that in a public forum.


Fedup,

Anytime you are in the area and want to meet face to face and discuss these issues, give me a call. (605) 462 - 6390. I'll make it work. You'll find that I have just as much intolerance for lies and deception in person as I do here and I fear nobody. CALL ME! Maybe we can figure out how to get rid of that burr under your saddle. If you think I'm going to fly half way around the nation on my dime to expose R-CALF's lies when I can do it here at my convenience your crazy. The arguments don't change and neither does the inability for R-CALF to back their positions. I've asked R-CALF representatives pointed questions on two occassions and they didn't come close to answering them. They make statements, they don't answer questions just like Conman and Sandbag here. It's no different. You can start writing down what you want to ask me in person.


~SH~
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
SH, "Nobody is helped in this industry from lies. Lies about packer concentration, lies about captive supplies, lies about the affect of imports, lies about USDA, lies about NCBA. R-CALF's entire platform is based on misinformation and lies. That's why there is so many contradictions. That's why they can't win a court decision. How anyone can support an organization that risks the integrity of 80% of our US beef consumption by aligning themselves with anti beef "so called" consumer groups to stop Canadian imports with their BSE "fear mongering" is almost beyond comprehension. The only thing R-CALF has done for the producer is to take money from them and give it to their lawyers. "

You're never going to get a better chance than this to expose R-CALF. Here's your shot - what's in your cup, foam or beer? Maybe not even foam - just hot air.

SH, "If you think I'm going to fly half way around the nation on my dime to expose R-CALF's lies when I can do it here at my convenience your crazy."

Uh, SH, this whole thread started with people chucking in money so it wouldn't be on your dime. Did you read my opening post?
 
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