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IS Obama lying about his Vatican visit

Tam

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Obama claimed at a press conference that they did not talk about social issues.

BUT

the Vatican said in a statement that the pair discussed the "exercise of [Americans'] rights to religious freedom, life and conscientious objection."

Which one do you believe is telling the truth?

I'm sure if you asked Obama he would tell you "There is not a SMIDGEN of evidence it was he who lied about his Vatican Visit" :wink:
 

Tam

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Well we do have a few Obama butt kissers that might stick their heads out and claim they still believe what Obama is spewing. :wink: :lol: :lol:
 

Mike

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Tam said:
Well we do have a few Obama butt kissers that might stick their heads out and claim they still believe what Obama is spewing. :wink: :lol: :lol:

Those few should be overlooked anyway. :lol: :lol:
 

Tam

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Oh come on you have to admit it would be interesting to see them defend Obama claiming in a 52 minute talk the Pope did not mention the fact Obama was suing the Little Sisters of the Poor over birth control.

I personally loved how Charles Krauthammer put it to Juan Williams when Juan was defending Obama . Gee who are we to believe the Vatican who has the respect of Billions or the guy that told us we could keep our insurance. :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

Tam

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Mike said:
OK. I admit it. Obama is the liar............................ :lol: :lol:

Gee now if Oldtimer was as easy as you are to convince, maybe we could get some credibility back in what he posts. :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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Tam said:
Oh come on you have to admit it would be interesting to see them defend Obama claiming in a 52 minute talk the Pope did not mention the fact Obama was suing the Little Sisters of the Poor over birth control.

I don't know what Obama and the Pope talked about and we probably will never know with certainty...

But I do have a problem with Catholics saying they oppose the ACA because of religious reasons/contraception when 68% of Catholic women use some form of contraception that falls under the ACA's payment...
Reeks of Hypocriticism....

The data listed in the Guttmacher report, meanwhile, referred to current contraceptive use among “sexually active women who are not pregnant, post-partum or trying to get pregnant.” That is a smaller universe of women, and it shows that 68 percent of Catholic women used what are termed “highly effective methods:” 32 percent sterilization; 31 percent pill; five percent IUD.

Again, only two percent currently used natural family planning. Interestingly, 11 percent used nothing, even though they were not trying to get pregnant. Four percent were placed in an “other” category, which mainly consisted of “withdrawal,” which is also not accepted by the Catholic Church as a birth-control method.

The data also indicated there were relatively few differences among women of different religions in terms of the contraception method that was used. Evangelicals appeared more likely to rely on sterilization, but almost no one used “natural” family planning.

Jones noted that there has long been data showing that Catholic women are avid users of artificial contraception. The first NSFG survey, which in 1973 was administered only to married women, shows that 66.4 percent of all married Catholic women of child-bearing age at the time used contraception.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-claim-that-98-percent-of-catholic-women-use-contraception-a-media-foul/2012/02/16/gIQAkPeqIR_blog.html

I remember back in the election of 08- even many women posting on the blogs that identified themselves as Republican and Catholics ran from Palins wanting to do away with/limit sex education and contraceptive methods....
 

Tam

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See Mike isn't it fun to see a Liberal defend Obama? :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:

It is the Catholics and their stand on Birth Controls fault Obama and the Vaticans released statements don't match to what was discussed during his visit. :roll:
 
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Tam said:
See Mike isn't it fun to see a Liberal defend Obama? :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:

It is the Catholics and their stand on Birth Controls fault Obama and the Vaticans released statements don't match to what was discussed during his visit. :roll:

No not defending Obama- as I said, we probably never will know...

But just for you Tam- I started a new thread on Catholic hypocrites....
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
See Mike isn't it fun to see a Liberal defend Obama? :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:

It is the Catholics and their stand on Birth Controls fault Obama and the Vaticans released statements don't match to what was discussed during his visit. :roll:

No not defending Obama- as I said, we probably never will know...

But just for you Tam- I started a new thread on Catholic hypocrites....

The statement goes on to say that in the context of bilateral relations between the U.S. and the Holy See, the Pope and the President discussed “questions of particular relevance for the Church in that country, such as the exercise of the rights to religious freedom, life and conscientious objection, as well as the issue of immigration reform.”



Text from page http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2014/03/27/vatican_statement_on_meeting_of_pope_francis_and_president_obama/en1-785409
of the Vatican Radio website

Obama told the press he and the Pope did not discuss social issues Oldtimer SO who is telling the truth. :roll: The Vatican or the guy that claimed any American that liked their insurance and Doctor could keep their insurance and Doctor PERIOD. :roll:
 

Tam

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Oldtimer answer this, why would the Vatican lie about discussing the exercise of the rights to religious freedom, life and conscientious objection in the US with Obama, when the world knows Obama is suing the Little Sister of the Poor to force them to go against the Church's long held beliefs?

Do you think Obama wants to admit to the press that the Pope, that has the respect of billions, took him to the wood shed over his DOJ's legal actions towards the Church? Face it, if somebody is lying about what was talked about it was your hero Obama. :wink: :roll:
 

Brad S

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I really can't understand why anyone would want to force people to violate their deeply held convictions when this could all be avoided by keeping private actions private and paying for their own damnabortions. It's like the fascists aren't satisified killing babies on their own, they want partners.
 
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Brad S said:
What is "hypocriticism"

Hypocriticism: these individuals are hypocrites who criticize and accuse others about the vice that they are guilty of themselves. Hypocrisy contains some kind of deception, and therefore involves a kind of lying.

In other words Catholics who criticize and say because their religion bans it that they oppose the ACA since it includes birth control are by a majority of their following using birth control... Deceptively doing what they themselves say they are not supposed to do...

I could care less if birth control methods are in the ACA (even tho after seeing so many neglected, abused, unwanted children over the years I think government should make it available free of charge to all women)... I just think it is a sad irony that these folks (Catholics) that scream the loudest against such an issue are by a majority using it... That is being a hypocrite !
 

Tam

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Don't you just love it when the Dems b*tch about Republicans wanting to be in every ones bedrooms and how they are to just stay out, UNTIL THE BILL COMES DUE, then the Dems want them all in the bedroom with them to pay to clean up their mess. :mad:
 

Steve

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another liberal lie...



ran from Palins wanting to do away with/limit sex education and contraceptive methods...

FACT: This unfounded rumor has caused plenty snickering among Palin haters, because of the pregnancy of her seventeen year old daughter Bristol. Then the snickers turn into a kind of karmic pity - "If only she'd allowed her daughter to learn about birth control ..."

Almost immediately after her nomination, news outlets began reporting stories similar to this one: Palin Backed Abstinence-Only Education

a more complete answer:

Actually, Alaska schools don’t teach abstinence only, notes the Anchorage Daily News.

The state requires that abstinence be “stressed,” but not to the exclusion of comprehensive sex education, reports the Kaiser Family Foundation.

Wasilla High, where Bristol Palin is a student, teaches [a] soup-to-nuts course, reports Rory of Parentalcation, who lives nearby. “I called up my buddy who has a teenage daughter in school there, and asked him the question. He said they teach the same thing every school does. Don’t do it, but if you do, use birth control … risks … blah, blah, blah.”

Furthermore, Gov. Palin appears to support that policy, reports the Los Angeles Times, though her position has either been nuanced or muddled, depending on your political sympathies.

Palin clarified “explicit,” on a radio debate. Asked if “explicit” programs include those that discuss condoms. Palin said no and called discussions of condoms “relatively benign.”

“Explicit means explicit,” she said. “No, I’m pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues. So I am not anti-contraception. But, yeah, abstinence is another alternative that should be discussed with kids. I don’t have a problem with that. That doesn’t scare me, so it’s something I would support also.”

yet the rumor / lie continues.. to be spouted by weak minded liberals..
 

Mike

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Steve said:
another liberal lie...



ran from Palins wanting to do away with/limit sex education and contraceptive methods...

FACT: This unfounded rumor has caused plenty snickering among Palin haters, because of the pregnancy of her seventeen year old daughter Bristol. Then the snickers turn into a kind of karmic pity - "If only she'd allowed her daughter to learn about birth control ..."

Almost immediately after her nomination, news outlets began reporting stories similar to this one: Palin Backed Abstinence-Only Education

a more complete answer:

Actually, Alaska schools don’t teach abstinence only, notes the Anchorage Daily News.

The state requires that abstinence be “stressed,” but not to the exclusion of comprehensive sex education, reports the Kaiser Family Foundation.

Wasilla High, where Bristol Palin is a student, teaches [a] soup-to-nuts course, reports Rory of Parentalcation, who lives nearby. “I called up my buddy who has a teenage daughter in school there, and asked him the question. He said they teach the same thing every school does. Don’t do it, but if you do, use birth control … risks … blah, blah, blah.”

Furthermore, Gov. Palin appears to support that policy, reports the Los Angeles Times, though her position has either been nuanced or muddled, depending on your political sympathies.

Palin clarified “explicit,” on a radio debate. Asked if “explicit” programs include those that discuss condoms. Palin said no and called discussions of condoms “relatively benign.”

“Explicit means explicit,” she said. “No, I’m pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues. So I am not anti-contraception. But, yeah, abstinence is another alternative that should be discussed with kids. I don’t have a problem with that. That doesn’t scare me, so it’s something I would support also.”

yet the rumor / lie continues.. to be spouted by weak minded liberals..

Wait. What? OT caught lying again? Say it ain't so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sure seems that someone who is caught almost daily in a lie of some sort would either refrain from spouting without thinking, or pursue to raise their knowledge of the subjects about which they speak..........

To dismantle one's own credibility time after time after time is not normal!
 

Tam

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Mike said:
To dismantle one's own credibility time after time after time is not normal!

Yet we see it daily with not only Oldtimer but all Democrats including their hero Obama. :roll:
 
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