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Is Obama/Pelosi/Reid for small or large Business?

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hypocritexposer said:
97% of all new jobs are created by small business. What items in the Stimulus are for small business?

Where do people spend money when they have it- small business's-cafes, clothing stores, bars, auto dealers, etc. etc.- besides the direct links I've pointed out here- for every dollar spent and going into a working persons pocket- it will circulate thru the community 7-10 times....Thats were small business gets the biggest share of their money..

And from what I noted below- many of these payments could be considered direct help to small business....


Jobs/Stimulus money:
Huge chunks of the federal money are earmarked for specific projects, such as highways, water systems and sewage systems, or specific areas, such as education and human services.

But the states also have some "discretionary" funds that they can choose to spend on whatever they like.

Here' a look at the highlights from Schweitzer's proposals, as outlined at today's news conference:

• Some $211 million for highway projects; the state Transportation Division is already preparing contracts for bidding.
Contracted by or much subcontracted to small business's

• About $50 million for the state university system, including enough money to freeze tuition at state campuses through 2011.

• About $60 million set aside for increasing caseloads in Medicaid, the state-federal program of health insurance for the poor.

Paid to many of the small clinics around the state..

• $43 million to shore up the state Teachers Retirement System, whose value has been hammered by the falling stock market.

• $43 million for school infrastructure and maintenance projects all across Montana.
The majority of these will be contracted by local small business...

The $10 million in funds for the timber industry could be used in several ways, the governor said, such as helping mills retool to process dead or dying trees from an epidemic of pine-beetle infestation in Montana.
Many of the timber operations left in Montana are small business's.

"We're finding a way to invest $10 million to save the timber industry, so that we don't go the way of Colorado and Utah and New Mexico and lose all of our timber industry," he said.

Schweitzer said the plan will create or preserve 11,000 jobs in the state.

Heres some in the budget bill:

Montana projects funded by this bill include:

Agriculture -


MSU Animal Bioscience Facility - $2,192,000 ranchers/small business?
Greater Yellowstone Interagency Brucellosis Committee - $650,000 ranchers/small business?
Tri-State Predator Control - $926,000 ranchers/small business?
Barley for Rural Development - $514,000 ranchers/small business?
Brucellosis Vaccine - $305,000 ranchers/small business?
Montana Sheep Institute - $254,000 ranchers/small business?
Sustainable Beef Supply - $682,000 ranchers/small business?
Appropriate Technology Transfer to Rural Areas – National Center for Appropriate Technology - $2,582,000


Commerce, Justice, Science and Related Agencies -


Assiniboine and Sioux Tribes of the Fort Peck Reservation for a 911 call center - $100,000
City of Billings for Police Equipment - $269,000
City of Kalispell for a Public Safety Training Center - $750,000
City of Missoula for a new Police Headquarters - $300,000
Gallatin County for a new 911 Center - $500,000
Missoula County for a Public Safety and Operations Training Center - $750,000
Montana Meth Project - $1,000,000
Fort Belknap for additional staff, updated electronic data systems, equipment and training to ensure quality judicial services in the tribal court- $300,000
Montana Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association for the Montana Offender Notification Tracking System - $200,000
MSU-Billings Academic Development at the Montana Women’s Prison - $350,000
Rocky Boy's for juvenile detention facility - $250,000
UM – Safe Schools program to provide teacher training, curriculum development, and awareness initiatives to prevent school violence - $400,000
Great Falls Police Department for a Regional Firearms Training Facility - $282,000
Montana State University for a collaborative distance science and technology education program (Tester only) $200,000
Last Best Place bill language: SEC. 105. "Hereafter, notwithstanding any other provision of law, no funds appropriated under this Act or any other Act shall be used to register, issue, transfer, or enforce any trademark of the phrase 'Last Best Place'."

Majority of construction or sub contracts will be small business.


Energy and Water Development -


Corps of Engineers for work on Yellowstone River Corridor - $430,000
Corps of Engineers for Fort Peck Cabin Conveyances - $1,500,000
Corps of Engineers, for construction on the following projects - $4,785,000

County Water District of Billings Heights, Phase II Upgrade
Seeley Lake Water System Upgrade
Gildford Wastewater System Improvements
Daly Ditches Water
City of Shelby, Wastewater System Improvements
Muddy Cluster Water Line
Manhattan Water Project
Ten Mile Estates/Pleasant Valley Wastewater Improvements
Town of Stevensville Water Improvement Project
Eureka Water Expansion
City of Troy, Water Project Phase II
Fort Belknap Water Treatment Plant
Crow Agency Wastewater Collection System Improvement Project
Columbia Falls Wastewater Treatment Plant Improvements
City of Hamilton, Wastewater Facility Critical Upgrades
Bigfork County Water and Sewer District Wastewater Treatment Facilities Improvements
Bozeman Water Reclamation Facility Reconstruction
City of Helena, Missouri River Water Treatment Plant Reconstruction
City of Butte, Big Hole Drinking Water Supply Diversion Dam Replacement
City of Billings, Water Treatment Plant Improvements
Greater Woods Bay Wastewater Collection System
Homestead Acres Water and Sewer Well Acquisition
Manhattan Water Improvements
Great Falls Upper/Lower River Road Water and Sewer District Improvements
Judith Gap Wastewater Improvements
Loma County Water district Improvement Project
Carter County Water District Improvement Project


Bureau of Reclamation for the Fort Peck-Dry Prairie Rural Water System - $10,000,000
Big Muddy/Tams son had job working this project- much being done by local contractors...
Bureau of Reclamation for the Rocky Boy's/North Central Montana Regional Water System - $7,000,000
Bureau of Reclamation for the St. Mary’s Diversion and Conveyance Works Rehabilitation - $500,000
This not only gives more water supply for several towns- but provides steady supply of water for farmers/ranchers irrigating 1/10th of the states production...
Department of Energy for the MSU Center for Zero Emissions Research and Technology program - $5,709,000
Department of Energy for Non-Defense Environmental Cleanup by the Western Environmental Technology Office (WETO) - $1,903,000

Much of these will be/are being built by local small contractors or local subcontractors...



Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies-


Glacier County Schools in Browning - $381,000
Libby School District - $381,000
Salish Kootenai College, Pablo, for curriculum development - $238,000
UM to establish the Institute for Leadership and Public Service - $238,000
Beartooth Hospital center for facilities and equipment - $333,000
Benefis Hospital for HIT (Baucus only) - $143,000
Benefis Hospital for facilities and equipment - $761,000
Billings Clinic for facilities and equipment - $285,000
Center for Asbestos Related Disease (CARD) Clinic in Libby - $190,000
Community Medical Center in Missoula for facilities and equipment - $476,000
Healthshare Montana health information technology expansion project - $714,000
Miles Community College for their Healthcare Education program - $95,000
North Valley Hospital Foundation for facilities and equipment - $404,000
Roundup Memorial Healthcare-Clinic for facilities and equipment - $333,000
Sidney Health Center for facilities and equipment - $95,000
St Patrick's Hospital in Missoula for facilities and equipment - $285,000
St. Vincent's in Billings for facilities and equipment - $95,000
St. Vincent's in Billings for the Montana Pediatric Project - $143,000
Montana AFL-CIO for workforce development and training activities- $190,000

Except for the few major cities Montana has- most medical services are a small business.....

Transportation, Housing and Urban Development, and Related Agencies -


MT Secondary 323 from Ekalaka to Alzada - $2,850,000
Highway 93 bypass in Kalispell - $2,850,000
Livingston Railroad Undercrossing - $332,500
Shiloh Road in Billings - $4,750,000
Big Sky Economic Development Authority in Billings for East Billings Redevelopment - $308,750
Chippewa Cree Tribe for transportation and rehab of Malmstrom Housing Units - $712,500
City of Billings for environmental remediation at the old Naval Reserve Center - $475,000
ExplorationWorks project in Helena - $950,000
Great Falls Development Authority for Black Eagle Road Infrastructure - $950,000
Sunlight Business Park in Whitehall - $142,500
North Missoula Community Development Corporation for the Burns Street Square project - $950,000
Paratransit System Bus Replacement in Billings - $247,700
Poverello Center in Missoula - $285,000
Billings Public Bus and Medical Transfer Facility is an Federal Transit Administration priority consideration for any unobligated Bus and Bus Facility funding
Funding provided in the FY2008 Consolidated Appropriations Act for the "Bridge Over Broadway" project may be used for a pedestrian friendly at-grade crossing.

Again more projects that will have a lot of work subbed to small local business's
 

Faster horses

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Glad you brought this up, OT, as it reminded me that Montana
made FOX news this morning...

STIMULUS of the day: $254,000 to study that sheep eat weeds...
now that's a lot of bang for your buck!!! :shock:
 
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Faster horses said:
Glad you brought this up, OT, as it reminded me that Montana
made FOX news this morning...

STIMULUS of the day: $254,000 to study that sheep eat weeds...
now that's a lot of bang for your buck!!! :shock:

Last time they did that- a lot of folks made money running sheep on leafy spurge areas..

Did they bring up Rehbergs Montana World Trade Center....Thats been the headline by most...McCain called it the epitome of pork..

The comedy is that he sent out press releases bragging to all the home folks about all the pork/earmarks he'd got in- then voted against them.... :lol:
 

Tam

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Biden was asked, on a morning TV show (sorry I can't remember which one) what was in the Stimulus package for small businesses? His answer was, Well if you have a bridge to your small business we are going to keep that bridge open so you and your customers can get to your small business. The anchor of the show trying to get off the question by asking Biden about the website that people could go to to get the answers to their questions. Biden's answer was I'm embarrassed as I should know that and then he asked his assistant what the number of the website was. number of the website. Gaff number 156????? :wink:
 
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Faster horses said:
Glad you brought this up, OT, as it reminded me that Montana
made FOX news this morning...

STIMULUS of the day: $254,000 to study that sheep eat weeds...
now that's a lot of bang for your buck!!! :shock:

If anyone knows or can find who is doing this study- or where- I'd like to know....
Actually USDA has been awarding grants- and funding studies/projects with sheep and goats since back in the 80's that I know of- especially with spurge and some other noxious weeds- to rid the range of these weeds and to bring back production on the pastures....These were mostly on public lands...
But I wouldn't expect those FOX newsers to know a weed from a rose....

Several of the projects were in ND and MT...I've often wondered why they don't do a project in that Beach ND area- where you can drive for miles- and see nothing but yellow-leafy spurge..
 

Ben H

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Tam said:
Biden was asked, on a morning TV show (sorry I can't remember which one) what was in the Stimulus package for small businesses? His answer was, Well if you have a bridge to your small business we are going to keep that bridge open so you and your customers can get to your small business. The anchor of the show trying to get off the question by asking Biden about the website that people could go to to get the answers to their questions. Biden's answer was I'm embarrassed as I should know that and then he asked his assistant what the number of the website was. number of the website. Gaff number 156????? :wink:

Did this make the news anywhere? I heard about it on talk radio but I don't think it was reported anywhere else, I can't imagine why that would be.
 
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Ben H said:
Tam said:
Biden was asked, on a morning TV show (sorry I can't remember which one) what was in the Stimulus package for small businesses? His answer was, Well if you have a bridge to your small business we are going to keep that bridge open so you and your customers can get to your small business. The anchor of the show trying to get off the question by asking Biden about the website that people could go to to get the answers to their questions. Biden's answer was I'm embarrassed as I should know that and then he asked his assistant what the number of the website was. number of the website. Gaff number 156????? :wink:

Did this make the news anywhere? I heard about it on talk radio but I don't think it was reported anywhere else, I can't imagine why that would be.

Well I watched it- and besides explaining it like I did- that every dollar more in a working mans pocket- or a person on unemployments pocket-or even thru the food stamps program- will circulate thru every appliance store, grocery store, bar, auto dealer, clothing store, local bank, etc. etc. many times over- he said that what was left of the TARP funds was being allocated to Banks with the direct requirement that the money be used for credit for small business's.....

The trickle down theory- and Bush's "sh*t runs downhill theory" have not been working....Its time to try some trickle up money...Money in the hands of the people- that these business's then can go out and compete for...
 

hypocritexposer

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The trickle down theory- and Bush's "sh*t runs downhill theory" have not been working....Its time to try some trickle up money...Money in the hands of the people- that these business's then can go out and compete for...

To say it has not worked, would mean that there is an end goal established.

Can you tell us what that goal is OT? Is it measurable?
 

Tam

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Ben H said:
Tam said:
Biden was asked, on a morning TV show (sorry I can't remember which one) what was in the Stimulus package for small businesses? His answer was, Well if you have a bridge to your small business we are going to keep that bridge open so you and your customers can get to your small business. The anchor of the show trying to get off the question by asking Biden about the website that people could go to to get the answers to their questions. Biden's answer was I'm embarrassed as I should know that and then he asked his assistant what the number of the website was. number of the website. Gaff number 156????? :wink:

Did this make the news anywhere? I heard about it on talk radio but I don't think it was reported anywhere else, I can't imagine why that would be.

Yes his gaffed interview did make it on the TV news as that is where I saw it. Since he was doing the original interview for TV I guess it was on there too. In the news reporting his comment it also said that there was nothing set aside for the small businesses even though they were the ones that were going to take the hit on the income tax hike, as most small businesses happen to fall above the $250,000 benchmark. So in fact if Biden's brigde brings more business to their store they will be working harder only to pay it all to the government TAX MAN. :(
 
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Well Tam- if those working folks don't have money in their pockets- how much of your hamburger they going to be buying :???: How many unemployed will be taking their family dining out- even at Mickie D's :???: .... How much hamburger will move if the food stamp program doesn't have any money :???:
If a construction guy has a few extra bucks and worked extra hard- he might even buy a big Rib steak...And that supports that small business grocery store or restaurant which each hires 5-50 people- and if business picks up has to hire more- which supports that small business meat distributor- and the truck drivers- which goes on up thru the chain of the major distributors/Packer Mafia- and comes back around to the feeders (many of which are small business) that then have money to buy YOUR calves to feed....

If everything was allowed to come to a standstill (as it was in Sept/Oct/Nov) when no one could come up with money to feed cattle- what do you think you would be living on... :???: I don't know how many buyers told me they weren't getting any orders- because there was no money for the feeders to get or investors buying anything...

Bush's Bailout hasn't worked because they wouldn't allow any regulation to be put on how the money is used- and the banks are all sitting on it- or again greedily profiteering off it...The reason Geithner said they were putting some rules on the next TARP money that has to show where its going- and requirements it goes to fund these small business's...

If you want to get money circulating fast- and truly stimulate the economy- you get it into the hands of the working/middle class on down..They'll spend it....
 

hypocritexposer

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If you want to get money circulating fast- and truly stimulate the economy- you get it into the hands of the working/middle class on down..They'll spend it....

Exactly, so explain to us again, how spending the stimulus over 3 years, and only on big contracts, no small business, is going to work!
 
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hypocritexposer said:
If you want to get money circulating fast- and truly stimulate the economy- you get it into the hands of the working/middle class on down..They'll spend it....

Exactly, so explain to us again, how spending the stimulus over 3 years, and only on big contracts, no small business, is going to work!

The biggest share of that in our state already has the programs laid out-and is/will be being contracted as soon as the legislature approves the projects which will be by the end of the month...And will be breaking ground right after..

Kind of hard to turn soil- when the temp is 20 Below and the ground still froze....
And if you don't understand how the money circulates thru the economy- and how big contracts get a lot of their work subbed to small local business's- I can't help you....You've apparently never been in the real world...
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
Well Tam- if those working folks don't have money in their pockets- how much of your hamburger they going to be buying :???: How many unemployed will be taking their family dining out- even at Mickie D's :???: .... How much hamburger will move if the food stamp program doesn't have any money :???:
If a construction guy has a few extra bucks and worked extra hard- he might even buy a big Rib steak...And that supports that small business grocery store or restaurant which each hires 5-50 people- and if business picks up has to hire more- which supports that small business meat distributor- and the truck drivers- which goes on up thru the chain of the major distributors/Packer Mafia- and comes back around to the feeders (many of which are small business) that then have money to buy YOUR calves to feed....

If everything was allowed to come to a standstill (as it was in Sept/Oct/Nov) when no one could come up with money to feed cattle- what do you think you would be living on... :???: I don't know how many buyers told me they weren't getting any orders- because there was no money for the feeders to get or investors buying anything...

Bush's Bailout hasn't worked because they wouldn't allow any regulation to be put on how the money is used- and the banks are all sitting on it- or again greedily profiteering off it...The reason Geithner said they were putting some rules on the next TARP money that has to show where its going- and requirements it goes to fund these small business's...

If you want to get money circulating fast- and truly stimulate the economy- you get it into the hands of the working/middle class on down..They'll spend it....

They wouldn't allow any regulations, who was the "THEY" Oldtimer?
Who helped write the Bank BailOut? Can you say Geithner Oldtimer? Who push it threw without the regulations Oldtimer? Can you say the Democrats Oldtimer?
Who is writing the policies now Oldtimer? Can you say Geithner Oldtimer?
Who is pushing them through now Oldtimer? can you say the Democrats Oldtimer?
Now there is change you can believe in. :wink:

The Republicans tried to stop the first TARP to get some regulations added but the Dems wouldn't see of it. Now that they are held acountable they are putting so many strings that the Banks are returning the money and saying NO THANKS, as are some of the Governors. From what I hear this bailout money is just delaying the real problems the States are going to be facing. Once they have started the welfare programs Obama wants in a couple years when the Federal Government money runs out the States are going to have to make up the difference. :wink:
But hey Oldtimer be proud you Grandchildren will be paying for ALL OF IT. :wink:
 
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The way I remember it was that GW didn't want Treasury's (Paulsons) hands tied- and Bush/Paulson/Cox asked for "no regulations"- promising they would be developed later- and that Paulson would provide transparency... Didn't really happen....

And I agree- Dems should be chastised royally for believing Bush again- and trying to get the money out there fast to keep the run on the banks that was going to occur from happening...

Tam- you didn't tell me what you would be doing to make a living if nobody can afford your hamburger or steaks anymore..... :???:

Or what you think the alternative should be to jumpstart the economy so someone can buy that hamburger or steaks :???:
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
The way I remember it was that GW didn't want Treasury's (Paulsons) hands tied- and Bush/Paulson/Cox asked for "no regulations"- promising they would be developed later- and that Paulson would provide transparency... Didn't really happen....

And I agree- Dems should be chastised royally for believing Bush again- and trying to get the money out there fast to keep the run on the banks that was going to occur from happening...

Tam- you didn't tell me what you would be doing to make a living if nobody can afford your hamburger or steaks anymore..... :???:

Or what you think the alternative should be to jumpstart the economy so someone can buy that hamburger or steaks :???:

I have two words for you Oldtimer CUT TAXES :wink:
 
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