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Islamic Damage Control

Mike

Well-known member
This guy sounds a lot like OT in his defense of his "God" & Islam.

By AYA BATRAWY
Associated Press

JIDDAH, Saudi Arabia (AP) - The secretary-general of the world's largest bloc of Islamic countries said Saturday that the kidnapping of more than 270 Nigerian schoolgirls is a "barbaric" and "inhumane" act.

Iyad Madani, who leads the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, spoke to The Associated Press in his first interview with the media since officially taking office in January.

The kidnapping by the extremist group Boko Haram in Nigeria has prompted worldwide condemnation, and Muslim scholars around the world have called for the girls' immediate release and safe return. The OIC and other Islamic bodies have said the acts of Boko Haram do not represent Islam.

Boko Haram claims to use Islamic teachings as justification for threatening to sell the kidnapped girls into slavery. They also say they want to impose Islamic Shariah law in Nigeria. The group has staged many attacks in Nigeria over the years, killing more than 1,500 people this year alone.

"This is inhumane and barbaric," Madani said. "They are simply criminal outlaws."

Speaking from the OIC's headquarters in the coastal city of Jiddah, Saudi Arabia, he said such extremist groups "not only disavow their Islam, but their humanity."

"When an organization kidnaps young schoolgirls and claims that this is Islam and that Allah has ordered this, and when they say they are acting in accordance with Islam in offering these kidnapped girls for sale, how could that relate to Islam, its holy book or any Islamic doctrine?" he said.

The OIC is comprised of 57 Muslim-majority member-states that span across Africa and Asia. It was established in 1969, and Madani is the 10th secretary-general to head the institution. He is also the first Saudi at its helm.

The organization faces challenges in presenting a unified Muslim voice, particularly as parts of the Arab world are gripped in a seemingly endless cycle of sectarian violence. In Syria, jihadist fighters from around the world are fighting alongside the country's Sunni majority against President Bashar Assad's Alawite, Shiite-backed minority. Meanwhile, Sunni-Shiite bloodletting in Iraq is deeply enshrined among hardliners on either end. In both conflicts, regional heavyweights - Sunni-led Saudi Arabia and Shiite-led Iran - are seen supporting opposite sides.

Despite such divisions, Madani says ordinary Muslims feel a shared sense of Islamic identity with one another that supersedes doctrinal orientation. He described Islam as a religion that embraces a diversity of ideas, cultures and people.

"This is the nature of Islam... which guides the OIC from within," he said. "The roots of the problems are not in how we interpret or understand our Islamic identity," he added, but have to do with politics, economics and governance within nations.

He said sectarian killings and extremist groups like Boko Haram are a threat to the essence of Islam and to co-existence with non-Muslims who are a part of the culture and civilization of countries where Muslims are the majority.
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Anonymous

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Too bad you folks ran off Reader 2- she had an extensive knowledge of the Jews, Arabs, and all the differing sects of the Muslim religion (and why some are so violent)- having lived in that part of the world for years and being an expert in many parts of the Arabic culture/world...

But again since she was someone different that didn't think like the pack did--- she was feared- so had to be despised, ridiculed, - and then even stalked so badly she left the site...
 

Mike

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Too bad you folks ran off Reader 2- she had an extensive knowledge of the Jews, Arabs, and all the differing sects of the Muslim religion (and why some are so violent)- having lived in that part of the world for years and being an expert in many parts of the Arabic culture/world...

But again since she was someone different that didn't think like the pack did--- she had to be despised, ridiculed, - and then even stalked so badly she left the site...

Yea, and you SAID you were leaving too. But that was also a lie. :roll:
 
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Anonymous

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Mike said:
Oldtimer said:
Too bad you folks ran off Reader 2- she had an extensive knowledge of the Jews, Arabs, and all the differing sects of the Muslim religion (and why some are so violent)- having lived in that part of the world for years and being an expert in many parts of the Arabic culture/world...

But again since she was someone different that didn't think like the pack did--- she had to be despised, ridiculed, - and then even stalked so badly she left the site...

Yea, and you SAID you were leaving too. But that was also a lie. :roll:

NA- after checking with my attorney he said to let you go ahead and sue me like you threatened - but I said I didn't want to own anything in Alabama- but he said he did ! :wink:
 

iwannabeacowboy

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Too bad you folks ran off Reader 2- she had an extensive knowledge of the Jews, Arabs, and all the differing sects of the Muslim religion (and why some are so violent)- having lived in that part of the world for years and being an expert in many parts of the Arabic culture/world...

But again since she was someone different that didn't think like the pack did--- she had to be despised, ridiculed, - and then even stalked so badly she left the site...

I know nothing of reader 1,2, or even 3.

But I've seen your definition of pack mentality, despised and ridicule.

Different view does not = lying or using lies to justify your different views

Completely different situations.

Words have meanings, using those meanings to create untruths is wrong. Exposing untruths is not ridicule, being despised, or stalked.
 
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Anonymous

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iwannabeacowboy said:
Oldtimer said:
Too bad you folks ran off Reader 2- she had an extensive knowledge of the Jews, Arabs, and all the differing sects of the Muslim religion (and why some are so violent)- having lived in that part of the world for years and being an expert in many parts of the Arabic culture/world...

But again since she was someone different that didn't think like the pack did--- she had to be despised, ridiculed, - and then even stalked so badly she left the site...

I know nothing of reader 1,2, or even 3.

But I've seen your definition of pack mentality, despised and ridicule.

Different view does not = lying or using lies to justify your different views

Completely different situations.

Words have meanings, using those meanings to create untruths is wrong. Exposing untruths is not ridicule, being despised, or stalked.

There is a difference in what is/should be considered an "untruth" between that which is expressed as a belief/opinion and/or that expressed as a fact...

Yep too bad you were not here when Reader was.... She was extremely knowledgeable about the world- having and still traveling extensively in her profession as a consultant to some of the major corporations and governments of the world...
She had a great knowledge of the Abrahamic religions- and especially all the differing sects of the Islamic religion (which over its history have fought amongst themselves just like Christians) and could give input on which have the most violent histories...
But when she tried to explain that to this group- she was immediately called a Muslim terrorist (when she is actually Jewish) or some despicable name-- because this bunch just knows ALL Muslims are born killers and need to wiped out-- and that if you even think of trying to learn something about the religion/people you have committed blasphemy!!...

This group has a preferred lifestyle when it comes to knowledge of or dealing with anything different...

 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Too bad you folks ran off Reader 2- she had an extensive knowledge of the Jews, Arabs, and all the differing sects of the Muslim religion (and why some are so violent)- having lived in that part of the world for years and being an expert in many parts of the Arabic culture/world...

But again since she was someone different that didn't think like the pack did--- she had to be despised, ridiculed, - and then even stalked so badly she left the site...

So, kinda like Broke cowboy, except he's not scared to stand and fight...you won't see him running away with his tail between his legs, every time someone doesn't agree with him.

If we are supposed to just agree, and follow such an "expert", cultlike, agree wholeheartedly with them, backslap, and never debate them, as you suggest, then why not Broke Cowboy?
 

Broke Cowboy

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Too bad you folks ran off Reader 2- she had an extensive knowledge of the Jews, Arabs, and all the differing sects of the Muslim religion (and why some are so violent)- having lived in that part of the world for years and being an expert in many parts of the Arabic culture/world...

But again since she was someone different that didn't think like the pack did--- she was feared- so had to be despised, ridiculed, - and then even stalked so badly she left the site...

So say you

I know differently

You just liked the way she stroked your ego.

She was a true fake and an arrogant elitist to boot

bc
 

Mike

Well-known member
Broke Cowboy said:
Oldtimer said:
Too bad you folks ran off Reader 2- she had an extensive knowledge of the Jews, Arabs, and all the differing sects of the Muslim religion (and why some are so violent)- having lived in that part of the world for years and being an expert in many parts of the Arabic culture/world...

But again since she was someone different that didn't think like the pack did--- she was feared- so had to be despised, ridiculed, - and then even stalked so badly she left the site...

So say you

I know differently

She was a true fake and an arrogant elitist to boot

bc

And just like OT, a "know-it-all" too.
 
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Anonymous

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Broke Cowboy said:
Oldtimer said:
Too bad you folks ran off Reader 2- she had an extensive knowledge of the Jews, Arabs, and all the differing sects of the Muslim religion (and why some are so violent)- having lived in that part of the world for years and being an expert in many parts of the Arabic culture/world...

But again since she was someone different that didn't think like the pack did--- she was feared- so had to be despised, ridiculed, - and then even stalked so badly she left the site...

So say you

I know differently

You just liked the way she stroked your ego.

She was a true fake and an arrogant elitist to boot

bc

Well again her credibility is much more than you of the multi ID anonymous crew that don't even post where they live---- "with the herd" is not much of a location...
I've seen pictures of her lifes experiences and past travels and talk to her about weekly on the internet- where she posts pictures of her travels... Also I'm aware of and have verification on some of the corporate/government work her company does/has done in the past ...
All I know about you is you run "with the pack"... But- So do coyotes... :roll:
 

loomixguy

Well-known member
Don't fall for Fatsquatch's chit, BC. He's trying to egg you on and goad you into posting something the least bit telling about you so he can drop a dime on your ass faster than his head can spin. After all, he imagines he has LEO type friends in Canada, too....but he doesn't want your beef here in the States. :roll:
 
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Anonymous

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Well I wish reader was here- because she was the one that brought up the fact of all the numerous sects of the Muslim religion- just like all the ones of the Christian religion...

I read onetime that there was over 70 sects....

1 Sunni Islam 1.1 Schools of jurisprudence
1.2 Schools of theology


1.3 Movements

2 Shia Islam 2.1 Twelver


2.2 Ismā'īlīsm



2.3 Zaidiyyah

3 Sufism 3.1 Bektashi
3.2 Chishti
3.3 Naqshbandi
3.4 Nimatullahi
3.5 Oveyssi (Uwaiysi)
3.6 Qadiri
3.7 Suhrawardiyya
3.8 Muridiyya
3.9 Tijaniyya
3.10 Shadiliyya
3.11 Mawlawiyya

4 Ahmadiyya 4.1 Ahmadiyya Community
4.2 Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement

5 Kharijite Islam 5.1 Ibadi

6 Other Sects 6.1 Quranism



6.2 Moorish Science
6.3 Nation of Islam
6.4 Mahdavism
6.5 Messiah Foundation International
6.6 Zikri
6.7 Five Percenter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_schools_and_branches



While I was trying to find that 70 number again- I came across this site-- that had an extremely good comparison of the extremist Muslims to a US group....


Conservative Muslims believe that all the Qur’an and (usually) the Hadith traditions are for all times, except for parts specifically abrogated.

Liberal Muslims want a changed, mellowed-down Islam adapted to their modern lifestyle. Some still read the Qur’an a lot, and others are more secular. They do not pray five times a day, and ignore what the Hadiths say about Muslim women having to wear veils. Sahih Muslim vol.2:2789 p.606-607

Innovative groups have strange theology that is different from the Qur’an. At an extreme, the Nation of Islam (Black Muslim group) taught the black race was superior and the white race was created by devils.



Comparison with Christianity

If a Muslim looked briefly at what is called Christianity, they might see the same three categories. One Muslim told me that Christians themselves are disagreed on whether Jesus died for our sins and rose from the dead. Well, it is just as proper to say that Muslims (including ‘Alawites) disagree on whether Mohammed is God or not.


Where would an extremist group like the KKK (Klu Klux Klan) fit? The Bible commands us to love others, and there is no Jew nor Greek in Christ. If you compare their racist teaching, their violent hate of others, you would have to conclude that if they read the Bible at all, they must be reading it upside down! It is befitting that they burn crosses, because their symbol that mocks Jesus’ peaceful teaching better symbolizes their fiery end in Hell.


What about "holy warriors" and terrorists today? Since early Muslims chronicled that Mohammed ordered assassinations, ‘Ali burned people to death, and Mohammed said to kill polytheists, every Muslim extremist is not necessarily an innovator. Most actually are in the conservative group.


One modernist Muslim told me, "conservative Christians and conservative Muslims are basically the same." I have to take strong exception to that. People who read their Bibles and really follow what Jesus taught are not trying to murder others, and we are not to hate anyone. Equating either Muslims extremists or the KKK with those who are serious about following Jesus’ teaching shows just how far some will distort the truth.


http://www.muslimhope.com/SectsOfIslam.htm
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Well I wish reader was here- because she was the one that brought up the fact of all the numerous sects of the Muslim religion- just like all the ones of the Christian religion...

I read onetime that there was over 70 sects....

1 Sunni Islam 1.1 Schools of jurisprudence
1.2 Schools of theology


1.3 Movements

2 Shia Islam 2.1 Twelver


2.2 Ismā'īlīsm



2.3 Zaidiyyah

3 Sufism 3.1 Bektashi
3.2 Chishti
3.3 Naqshbandi
3.4 Nimatullahi
3.5 Oveyssi (Uwaiysi)
3.6 Qadiri
3.7 Suhrawardiyya
3.8 Muridiyya
3.9 Tijaniyya
3.10 Shadiliyya
3.11 Mawlawiyya

4 Ahmadiyya 4.1 Ahmadiyya Community
4.2 Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement

5 Kharijite Islam 5.1 Ibadi

6 Other Sects 6.1 Quranism



6.2 Moorish Science
6.3 Nation of Islam
6.4 Mahdavism
6.5 Messiah Foundation International
6.6 Zikri
6.7 Five Percenter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_schools_and_branches



While I was trying to find that 70 number again- I came across this site-- that had an extremely good comparison of the extremist Muslims to a US group....


Conservative Muslims believe that all the Qur’an and (usually) the Hadith traditions are for all times, except for parts specifically abrogated.

Liberal Muslims want a changed, mellowed-down Islam adapted to their modern lifestyle. Some still read the Qur’an a lot, and others are more secular. They do not pray five times a day, and ignore what the Hadiths say about Muslim women having to wear veils. Sahih Muslim vol.2:2789 p.606-607

Innovative groups have strange theology that is different from the Qur’an. At an extreme, the Nation of Islam (Black Muslim group) taught the black race was superior and the white race was created by devils.



Comparison with Christianity

If a Muslim looked briefly at what is called Christianity, they might see the same three categories. One Muslim told me that Christians themselves are disagreed on whether Jesus died for our sins and rose from the dead. Well, it is just as proper to say that Muslims (including ‘Alawites) disagree on whether Mohammed is God or not.


Where would an extremist group like the KKK (Klu Klux Klan) fit? The Bible commands us to love others, and there is no Jew nor Greek in Christ. If you compare their racist teaching, their violent hate of others, you would have to conclude that if they read the Bible at all, they must be reading it upside down! It is befitting that they burn crosses, because their symbol that mocks Jesus’ peaceful teaching better symbolizes their fiery end in Hell.


What about "holy warriors" and terrorists today? Since early Muslims chronicled that Mohammed ordered assassinations, ‘Ali burned people to death, and Mohammed said to kill polytheists, every Muslim extremist is not necessarily an innovator. Most actually are in the conservative group.


One modernist Muslim told me, "conservative Christians and conservative Muslims are basically the same." I have to take strong exception to that. People who read their Bibles and really follow what Jesus taught are not trying to murder others, and we are not to hate anyone. Equating either Muslims extremists or the KKK with those who are serious about following Jesus’ teaching shows just how far some will distort the truth.


http://www.muslimhope.com/SectsOfIslam.htm

Why didn't you just ask R2 to outline the different sects for you? Why the internet search...any of us could have learned that...hadn't R2 already teach you that?

You make yourself look more and more like a fool everyday.

You trust R2, and we don't trust you, so we should trust R2, over Broke cowboy?????

With friends like you selling R2's experience, she'll never be trusted again...


:lol: :lol:
 

redrobin

Well-known member
Broke Cowboy said:
Oldtimer said:
Too bad you folks ran off Reader 2- she had an extensive knowledge of the Jews, Arabs, and all the differing sects of the Muslim religion (and why some are so violent)- having lived in that part of the world for years and being an expert in many parts of the Arabic culture/world...

But again since she was someone different that didn't think like the pack did--- she was feared- so had to be despised, ridiculed, - and then even stalked so badly she left the site...

So say you

I know differently

You just liked the way she stroked your ego.

She was a true fake and an arrogant elitist to boot

bc
I liked R2 but she knew very little about the old testament as well. she absolutely had a misguided view about islam if she believed as you say ot.
 

Big Muddy rancher

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Broke Cowboy said:
Oldtimer said:
Too bad you folks ran off Reader 2- she had an extensive knowledge of the Jews, Arabs, and all the differing sects of the Muslim religion (and why some are so violent)- having lived in that part of the world for years and being an expert in many parts of the Arabic culture/world...

But again since she was someone different that didn't think like the pack did--- she was feared- so had to be despised, ridiculed, - and then even stalked so badly she left the site...

So say you

I know differently

You just liked the way she stroked your ego.

She was a true fake and an arrogant elitist to boot

bc

Well again her credibility is much more than you of the multi ID anonymous crew that don't even post where they live---- "with the herd" is not much of a location...
I've seen pictures of her lifes experiences and past travels and talk to her about weekly on the internet- where she posts pictures of her travels... Also I'm aware of and have verification on some of the corporate/government work her company does/has done in the past ...
All I know about you is you run "with the pack"... But- So do coyotes... :roll:


I've seen pictures of her lifes experiences and past travels and talk to her about weekly on the internet- where she posts pictures of her travels... Also I'm aware of and have verification on some of the corporate/government work her company does/has done in the past ...

Sounds like Stalking to me. :D
 

iwannabeacowboy

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Broke Cowboy said:
Oldtimer said:
Too bad you folks ran off Reader 2- she had an extensive knowledge of the Jews, Arabs, and all the differing sects of the Muslim religion (and why some are so violent)- having lived in that part of the world for years and being an expert in many parts of the Arabic culture/world...

But again since she was someone different that didn't think like the pack did--- she was feared- so had to be despised, ridiculed, - and then even stalked so badly she left the site...

So say you

I know differently

You just liked the way she stroked your ego.

She was a true fake and an arrogant elitist to boot

bc

Well again her credibility is much more than you of the multi ID anonymous crew that don't even post where they live---- "with the herd" is not much of a location...
I've seen pictures of her lifes experiences and past travels and talk to her about weekly on the internet- where she posts pictures of her travels... Also I'm aware of and have verification on some of the corporate/government work her company does/has done in the past ...
All I know about you is you run "with the pack"... But- So do coyotes... :roll:

But again since she was someone different that didn't think like the pack did--- she had to be despised, ridiculed,

So how would the pack have responded to BC's different view?

:lol: Couldn't even make it out of the same thread. :lol: :lol: :lol:
EXPOSED
 

iwannabeacowboy

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Well I wish reader was here- because she was the one that brought up the fact of all the numerous sects of the Muslim religion- just like all the ones of the Christian religion...

I read onetime that there was over 70 sects....

1 Sunni Islam 1.1 Schools of jurisprudence
1.2 Schools of theology


1.3 Movements

2 Shia Islam 2.1 Twelver


2.2 Ismā'īlīsm



2.3 Zaidiyyah

3 Sufism 3.1 Bektashi
3.2 Chishti
3.3 Naqshbandi
3.4 Nimatullahi
3.5 Oveyssi (Uwaiysi)
3.6 Qadiri
3.7 Suhrawardiyya
3.8 Muridiyya
3.9 Tijaniyya
3.10 Shadiliyya
3.11 Mawlawiyya

4 Ahmadiyya 4.1 Ahmadiyya Community
4.2 Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement

5 Kharijite Islam 5.1 Ibadi

6 Other Sects 6.1 Quranism



6.2 Moorish Science
6.3 Nation of Islam
6.4 Mahdavism
6.5 Messiah Foundation International
6.6 Zikri
6.7 Five Percenter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_schools_and_branches



While I was trying to find that 70 number again- I came across this site-- that had an extremely good comparison of the extremist Muslims to a US group....


Conservative Muslims believe that all the Qur’an and (usually) the Hadith traditions are for all times, except for parts specifically abrogated.

Liberal Muslims want a changed, mellowed-down Islam adapted to their modern lifestyle. Some still read the Qur’an a lot, and others are more secular. They do not pray five times a day, and ignore what the Hadiths say about Muslim women having to wear veils. Sahih Muslim vol.2:2789 p.606-607

Innovative groups have strange theology that is different from the Qur’an. At an extreme, the Nation of Islam (Black Muslim group) taught the black race was superior and the white race was created by devils.



Comparison with Christianity

If a Muslim looked briefly at what is called Christianity, they might see the same three categories. One Muslim told me that Christians themselves are disagreed on whether Jesus died for our sins and rose from the dead. Well, it is just as proper to say that Muslims (including ‘Alawites) disagree on whether Mohammed is God or not.


Where would an extremist group like the KKK (Klu Klux Klan) fit? The Bible commands us to love others, and there is no Jew nor Greek in Christ. If you compare their racist teaching, their violent hate of others, you would have to conclude that if they read the Bible at all, they must be reading it upside down! It is befitting that they burn crosses, because their symbol that mocks Jesus’ peaceful teaching better symbolizes their fiery end in Hell.


What about "holy warriors" and terrorists today? Since early Muslims chronicled that Mohammed ordered assassinations, ‘Ali burned people to death, and Mohammed said to kill polytheists, every Muslim extremist is not necessarily an innovator. Most actually are in the conservative group.


One modernist Muslim told me, "conservative Christians and conservative Muslims are basically the same." I have to take strong exception to that. People who read their Bibles and really follow what Jesus taught are not trying to murder others, and we are not to hate anyone. Equating either Muslims extremists or the KKK with those who are serious about following Jesus’ teaching shows just how far some will distort the truth.


http://www.muslimhope.com/SectsOfIslam.htm

mmmmm...... So what you are trying to pull off here is that muslims who FOLLOW the quran as taught in the past and AS written, are equal to the KKK who DON'T FOLLOW the biblical teachings of Christianity?

Did you read what you posted?
 
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Anonymous

Guest
iwannabeacowboy said:
Oldtimer said:
Well I wish reader was here- because she was the one that brought up the fact of all the numerous sects of the Muslim religion- just like all the ones of the Christian religion...

I read onetime that there was over 70 sects....

1 Sunni Islam 1.1 Schools of jurisprudence
1.2 Schools of theology


1.3 Movements

2 Shia Islam 2.1 Twelver


2.2 Ismā'īlīsm



2.3 Zaidiyyah

3 Sufism 3.1 Bektashi
3.2 Chishti
3.3 Naqshbandi
3.4 Nimatullahi
3.5 Oveyssi (Uwaiysi)
3.6 Qadiri
3.7 Suhrawardiyya
3.8 Muridiyya
3.9 Tijaniyya
3.10 Shadiliyya
3.11 Mawlawiyya

4 Ahmadiyya 4.1 Ahmadiyya Community
4.2 Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement

5 Kharijite Islam 5.1 Ibadi

6 Other Sects 6.1 Quranism



6.2 Moorish Science
6.3 Nation of Islam
6.4 Mahdavism
6.5 Messiah Foundation International
6.6 Zikri
6.7 Five Percenter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_schools_and_branches



While I was trying to find that 70 number again- I came across this site-- that had an extremely good comparison of the extremist Muslims to a US group....


Conservative Muslims believe that all the Qur’an and (usually) the Hadith traditions are for all times, except for parts specifically abrogated.

Liberal Muslims want a changed, mellowed-down Islam adapted to their modern lifestyle. Some still read the Qur’an a lot, and others are more secular. They do not pray five times a day, and ignore what the Hadiths say about Muslim women having to wear veils. Sahih Muslim vol.2:2789 p.606-607

Innovative groups have strange theology that is different from the Qur’an. At an extreme, the Nation of Islam (Black Muslim group) taught the black race was superior and the white race was created by devils.



Comparison with Christianity

If a Muslim looked briefly at what is called Christianity, they might see the same three categories. One Muslim told me that Christians themselves are disagreed on whether Jesus died for our sins and rose from the dead. Well, it is just as proper to say that Muslims (including ‘Alawites) disagree on whether Mohammed is God or not.


Where would an extremist group like the KKK (Klu Klux Klan) fit? The Bible commands us to love others, and there is no Jew nor Greek in Christ. If you compare their racist teaching, their violent hate of others, you would have to conclude that if they read the Bible at all, they must be reading it upside down! It is befitting that they burn crosses, because their symbol that mocks Jesus’ peaceful teaching better symbolizes their fiery end in Hell.


What about "holy warriors" and terrorists today? Since early Muslims chronicled that Mohammed ordered assassinations, ‘Ali burned people to death, and Mohammed said to kill polytheists, every Muslim extremist is not necessarily an innovator. Most actually are in the conservative group.


One modernist Muslim told me, "conservative Christians and conservative Muslims are basically the same." I have to take strong exception to that. People who read their Bibles and really follow what Jesus taught are not trying to murder others, and we are not to hate anyone. Equating either Muslims extremists or the KKK with those who are serious about following Jesus’ teaching shows just how far some will distort the truth.


http://www.muslimhope.com/SectsOfIslam.htm

mmmmm...... So what you are trying to pull off here is that muslims who FOLLOW the quran as taught in the past and AS written, are equal to the KKK who DON'T FOLLOW the biblical teachings of Christianity?

Did you read what you posted?

Yeah- that is what the author of the article said... But if I gathered right- he and the other articles say that many Muslims don't follow the current extremist fundamentalist teachers/Imams interpretation of the Quran- just like many Christian religions/church's aren't fundamentalist and interpret the Bible with differing views... Over the years we've had numerous breaking offs from the church- with probably the greatest being the Protestant Reformation/Revolution and the separation from the Catholic Church... Which now has left us with many not following the teachings of the old Catholic Church...

That is what reader2 tried to explain- and describe how each of the different sects interpreted the Quran...
Actually if you read the Quran- suicide is the one of the highest sins- and killing noncombatants like women and children is a sin- but some sects/Imams have taught otherwise... According to the true interpretation of the Quran- the 9/11 terrorists were committing a sin... Only those that die in true honorable battle get martyrdom... But some Priest/Teachers have interpreted the Quran and taught differently...

We clearly state that committing suicide is strongly forbidden whatever the motive/reason is. Allah Says (interpretation of meaning): {… And do not kill yourselves (nor kill one another). Surely, Allâh is Most Merciful to you.}[4:29].
Also the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) said: "Whoever purposely throws himself from a mountain and kill, himself, will be in the Hell-Fire falling down into it and abiding therein perpetually forever; and whoever drinks poison and kills himself with it, he will be carrying his poison in his hand and drinking it in the Hell-Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever, and who ever kills himself with an iron weapon, will be carrying that weapon in his hand and stabbing his abdomen with it in the Hell-Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever" . [Reported by Imam al-Bukhari ].
The above-stated Hadith indicates that killing oneself is one of the major sins that cause one to reside in the Hell-Fire forever. And one who kills himself will be tortured in the same way and means by which he killed himself, in addition to being an inhabitant of the Hell-Fire.
Allah, The Great and Almighty, has banned any form of despair or desperation and stated that despair is one of the disbelievers' characteristics. He Says (interpretation of meaning): {"O my sons! Go you and enquire about Yûsuf (Joseph) and his brother, and never give up hope of Allâh's Mercy. Certainly no one despairs of Allâh's Mercy, except the people who disbelieve."} [12:87].
He also Says: {Ibrâhim (Abraham)] said: "And who despairs of the Mercy of his Lord except those who are astray?"} [15:56].
As a result, know that committing suicide constitutes a bad action and leads to a bad end, so you have to avoid it no matter what the problems are.

Just like some Christian groups like the David Koresh Branch Davidians, Jim Jones Peoples Temple Church, some Catholic Priests, Warren Jeff's FLDS sect, Church Universal and Triumphant, and my daughter raping-convicted fundamentalist Preacher go astray in their teachings and actions-- Reader2 was saying that in her experience the different sects of Islam varied greatly and the extremists went away from the current norm of the followers of Islam in much of the world ...
 
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