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It is over move on....

nonothing

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GW Bush is over move on....you either think he did a good job,or he put your country in the tank...Or you are indifferent....The thing is history will reveal his legacy be it good or bad....

Now the question is who really is the next person to not only ride out the strom but also resureact a once strong economic world power to what it once was....who will tackle the still ongoing problems of medicare and imigration...Who will bring back the power and fear of a now banged up Armed forces....who will make the people feel safe in their homes and stop the many street addictions that are cutting out the guts from the inside...Who will help the poor but yet bring taxes for all down.....

You can blame todays America on bush or you can not.....the point is now moot...
 

Steve

Well-known member
NoNothing
GW Bush is over

hate to disappoint you, but he is still the President....

NoNothing
but also resurrect a once strong economic world power to what it once was..

The economy is in correction of the excesses.. by not making stupid liberal blunders (like raiseing taxes) it will recover..

it's a financial/economic bubble.. bubbles burst.. then after many good people lose their money.. another bubble comes along...and the same people scramble to invest in it,... (I predict energy will be the next burst bubble).. ...

NoNothing
who will tackle the still ongoing problems of medicare

No one... they'll just whine about the cost and raise taxes...

NoNothing
and immigration

So far not one of the candidates still in office has had the courage to attempt to implement their "plan"...

Obama, Hillery, Edwards, and McCain says they have a comprehensive plan.. well, then submit it... why wait until 09?

NoNothing
Who will bring back the power and fear of a now banged up Armed forces.

Our Military is still the best in the world... and we shouldn't operate on fear... :roll:

NoNothing
who will make the people feel safe in their homes

Smith and Wesson... Colt.. ? making people safe in their homes is the job of local police.. if crime is a problem it must be solved at the local level...

NoNothing
and stop the many street addictions that are cutting out the guts from the inside...

so far no one has been able to tackle addiction nor the drug problem.. the war on drugs has been an abysmal failure...

NoNothing
Who will help the poor but yet bring taxes for all down.....

Christians will help the poor with out raiseing taxes,.. but every one else will use it as an excuse to raise taxes...

the only thing that will lift the poor out of poverty is to cut welfare and create jobs... and when people are required to work they are less likely to be abusing drugs.....
 

Tex

Well-known member
Steve said:
NoNothing
GW Bush is over

hate to disappoint you, but he is still the President....

NoNothing
but also resurrect a once strong economic world power to what it once was..

The economy is in correction of the excesses.. by not making stupid liberal blunders (like raiseing taxes) it will recover..

it's a financial/economic bubble.. bubbles burst.. then after many good people lose their money.. another bubble comes along...and the same people scramble to invest in it,... (I predict energy will be the next burst bubble).. ...

NoNothing
who will tackle the still ongoing problems of medicare

No one... they'll just whine about the cost and raise taxes...

NoNothing
and immigration

So far not one of the candidates still in office has had the courage to attempt to implement their "plan"...

Obama, Hillery, Edwards, and McCain says they have a comprehensive plan.. well, then submit it... why wait until 09?

NoNothing
Who will bring back the power and fear of a now banged up Armed forces.

Our Military is still the best in the world... and we shouldn't operate on fear... :roll:

NoNothing
who will make the people feel safe in their homes

Smith and Wesson... Colt.. ? making people safe in their homes is the job of local police.. if crime is a problem it must be solved at the local level...

NoNothing
and stop the many street addictions that are cutting out the guts from the inside...

so far no one has been able to tackle addiction nor the drug problem.. the war on drugs has been an abysmal failure...

NoNothing
Who will help the poor but yet bring taxes for all down.....

Christians will help the poor with out raiseing taxes,.. but every one else will use it as an excuse to raise taxes...

the only thing that will lift the poor out of poverty is to cut welfare and create jobs... and when people are required to work they are less likely to be abusing drugs.....


Hypocrites cut taxes before cutting spending, then claim they did something great for the country.

Tell me steve, who spent more while in office, Clinton or Bush? Who put more on the country's credit card?

Don't be shy. Just the facts, please, no bs.
 

nonothing

Well-known member
Tex said:
Steve said:
NoNothing
GW Bush is over

hate to disappoint you, but he is still the President....

NoNothing
but also resurrect a once strong economic world power to what it once was..

The economy is in correction of the excesses.. by not making stupid liberal blunders (like raiseing taxes) it will recover..

it's a financial/economic bubble.. bubbles burst.. then after many good people lose their money.. another bubble comes along...and the same people scramble to invest in it,... (I predict energy will be the next burst bubble).. ...

NoNothing
who will tackle the still ongoing problems of medicare

No one... they'll just whine about the cost and raise taxes...

NoNothing
and immigration

So far not one of the candidates still in office has had the courage to attempt to implement their "plan"...

Obama, Hillery, Edwards, and McCain says they have a comprehensive plan.. well, then submit it... why wait until 09?

NoNothing
Who will bring back the power and fear of a now banged up Armed forces.

Our Military is still the best in the world... and we shouldn't operate on fear... :roll:

NoNothing
who will make the people feel safe in their homes

Smith and Wesson... Colt.. ? making people safe in their homes is the job of local police.. if crime is a problem it must be solved at the local level...

NoNothing
and stop the many street addictions that are cutting out the guts from the inside...

so far no one has been able to tackle addiction nor the drug problem.. the war on drugs has been an abysmal failure...

NoNothing
Who will help the poor but yet bring taxes for all down.....

Christians will help the poor with out raiseing taxes,.. but every one else will use it as an excuse to raise taxes...

the only thing that will lift the poor out of poverty is to cut welfare and create jobs... and when people are required to work they are less likely to be abusing drugs.....


Hypocrites cut taxes before cutting spending, then claim they did something great for the country.

Tell me steve, who spent more while in office, Clinton or Bush? Who put more on the country's credit card?

Don't be shy. Just the facts, please, no bs.


Some good points Steve and yes I know GW is still the president,but his term is almost over.My point was who is the best person to tackle the job of president for the next four years?...Also thought it was time for people to stop blaming Bush or defending Bush cause either no longer matters....Whats done is done,now who really is the best person for the job? And is he or she even in the race for president?
 

nonothing

Well-known member
jodywy said:
Kennedy cut taxes and it increased growth , thus more tax money came in


wasn't he a democrat???..

Ever think that A huge debt left behind by an exiting president,is one of the reason taxes go up?
 

Tex

Well-known member
Tex said:
Steve said:
NoNothing
GW Bush is over

hate to disappoint you, but he is still the President....

NoNothing
but also resurrect a once strong economic world power to what it once was..

The economy is in correction of the excesses.. by not making stupid liberal blunders (like raiseing taxes) it will recover..

it's a financial/economic bubble.. bubbles burst.. then after many good people lose their money.. another bubble comes along...and the same people scramble to invest in it,... (I predict energy will be the next burst bubble).. ...

NoNothing
who will tackle the still ongoing problems of medicare

No one... they'll just whine about the cost and raise taxes...

NoNothing
and immigration

So far not one of the candidates still in office has had the courage to attempt to implement their "plan"...

Obama, Hillery, Edwards, and McCain says they have a comprehensive plan.. well, then submit it... why wait until 09?

NoNothing
Who will bring back the power and fear of a now banged up Armed forces.

Our Military is still the best in the world... and we shouldn't operate on fear... :roll:

NoNothing
who will make the people feel safe in their homes

Smith and Wesson... Colt.. ? making people safe in their homes is the job of local police.. if crime is a problem it must be solved at the local level...

NoNothing
and stop the many street addictions that are cutting out the guts from the inside...

so far no one has been able to tackle addiction nor the drug problem.. the war on drugs has been an abysmal failure...

NoNothing
Who will help the poor but yet bring taxes for all down.....

Christians will help the poor with out raiseing taxes,.. but every one else will use it as an excuse to raise taxes...

the only thing that will lift the poor out of poverty is to cut welfare and create jobs... and when people are required to work they are less likely to be abusing drugs.....


Hypocrites cut taxes before cutting spending, then claim they did something great for the country.

Tell me steve, who spent more while in office, Clinton or Bush? Who put more on the country's credit card?

Don't be shy. Just the facts, please, no bs.


I would still like Steve to answer this.
 

Mike

Well-known member
who spent more while in office, Clinton or Bush?

Spent less on what? Since domestic problems and worldly conflicts were much different, if you take the same amounts spent on any one programby either, you will come up with a less than true spending scenario.

What I can't figure is the same people who blame Bush 1 for not going into Iraq after Desert Storm are the same ones who fault Bush 2 FOR going in years later. :???:
 

Tex

Well-known member
Mike said:
who spent more while in office, Clinton or Bush?

Spent less on what? Since domestic problems and worldly conflicts were much different, if you take the same amounts spent on any one programby either, you will come up with a less than true spending scenario.

What I can't figure is the same people who blame Bush 1 for not going into Iraq after Desert Storm are the same ones who fault Bush 2 FOR going in years later. :???:

Well, I really wanted to argue with my good friend, steve, here, but....

WND Exclusive Bush spending up to 5 times more than Clinton
Reagan Revolution architect calls it 'era of obese government'
Posted: August 3, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com


WASHINGTON – Federal spending under the Bush administration has grown five times larger than that during the second term of the Clinton administration, charges a conservative Republican activist in a new book that paints the president as a traitor to his party.

In "Conservatives Betrayed," Richard Viguerie, credited with being one of the architects of the Reagan Revolution, says George W. Bush has set the stage for the punishment of his party by voters.

Viguerie compares spending by the federal government, adjusted for inflation, during the Clinton years vs. the Bush years. In Clinton's first term, federal expenditures rose 4.7 percent. In his second term, they rose 3.7 percent. In the first term of the Bush administration, however, spending rose 19.2 percent.

"If ever there was a case for divided government, here it is," writes Viguerie. "The lesson for many Americans is that today's Republicans cannot be trusted with the keys to both the executive and legislative branches of the federal government."

No matter how you slice it, Viguerie says, Bush makes Clinton look like a spending piker by comparison. For instance, the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse at Syracuse University in New York keeps records that show how much the federal government spends on average each year for each person in the country. When this standard of measurement is used, the comparison between the two administrations is even more pronounced.

Cumulative growth in federal expenditures, adjusted for inflation, during the Clinton years actually shrunk by 1.1 percent. Yet, in the Bush first term, it rose 15 percent.

"During President Bush's first five years in office, the federal government increased by $616 billion," Viguerie writes. "That's a mammoth 33 percent jump in the size of the federal government in just his first five years! To put this in perspective, this increase of $616 billion is more than the entire federal budget in Jimmy Carter's last years in office. And conservatives were complaining about Big Government back then! How can Bush, (Dennis) Hastert, (Bill) Frist and company look us in the eye and tell us they are fiscal conservatives when in five short years they increased the already-bloated government by more than the budget for the entire federal government when Ronald Reagan was assuming office?"

Richard Viguerie

Another standard of comparison offered by Viguerie is discretionary domestic spending, adjusted for inflation.

"When we strip away defense, homeland security and entitlements and adjust for inflation, leaving only discretionary domestic spending, George W. Bush has grown the federal government at a faster pace than Lyndon Baines Johnson," Viguerie writes. "His record for profligate spending is outmatched (for the time being) only by another Big Government Republican, Richard Nixon. And when Bush's second term is over, there's every reason to expect that Bush will hold the record as the president who's grown the federal government at its fastest pace in modern times."

The numbers?

* Johnson: 4.1 percent
* Nixon/Ford: 5 percent
* Carter: 1.6 percent
* Reagan: 1.4 percent
* Bush I: 3.8 percent
* Clinton: 2.1 percent
* Bush II: 4.8 percent

Viguerie compares the modern presidents on the use of the veto, too. While Johnson used the veto power 30 times, Nixon 43, Ford 66, Carter 31, Reagan 78, Bush I 44 and Clinton 36, Bush didn't use it at all in his first term and has used it just once – for a non-spending issue – in his second term.

"Bush apologists give the excuse that it's harder to veto bills that are passed by your own party," Viguerie writes. "Yet LBJ and Carter each cast 30 or more vetoes while their own party controlled Congress. In fact, the all-time master of the veto was Franklin Delano Roosevelt. He used the veto power an incredible 636 times during his four terms – despite having a Democratic Congress with majorities as lopsided as 75-17 in the Senate and 333-89 in the House! Congress overrode his vetoes a mere nine times."

Yet another formula for measuring presidential fiscal responsibility, according to Viguerie, is rescissions. Reagan used rescission power to rescind funds authorized by Congress. Ford rescinded $7.9 billion in spending. Carter rescinded $4.6 billion, Reagan $43.4 billion, Bush I $13.1 billion, Clinton $6.6 billion.

But George W. Bush has not rescinded even $1 in congressional spending.

"The best illustration of the corrupting influence of power on the Republicans is the explosion of pork-barrel spending projects since 2000," says Viguerie.

Viguerie points to a 121 percent increase in pork-barrel earmarks in the first five years of the Bush administration.

"The size of the federal government is the single most important barometer of the health of the American republic," writes Viguerie. "When domestic federal spending goes up, it's a surefire indicator that something is wrong. And the way spending has been increasing under the Bush administration and the Republican Congress shows that things are seriously wrong."

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I know this article is a little dated and a few things have changed but it does have the historical information I wanted in it.

On your point on the first Iraq war, the mistake made was Schwartzkoph (sp?) of allowing Saddam to have helicopters and take out the kurdish resistance, not that we didn't go into Iraq. We didn't need to, but we did need to undermine Saddam in his own country and his abuse of his military complex and oil revenues.---which we didn't do, and it became a much larger and costlier problem.

Much of the Iraq oil comes from the kurdish region in the north and the shia in the south. Both of these could have been protected from Saddam while he was the leader in Iraq and both would have been supporting themselves with their own oil revenues and fighting their own battles-- not us fighting them for them. We might have a little more oil on the market too.

This could have been done easily with air power alone as far as our engagement, and a little military support to the insurgents. They would have been insurgents against Saddam instead of us. Saddam would have been taken care of by his own people.

You might be right if you said this was a Bush 1 problem and then a Clinton problem. Both would be right. Bush 2 just addressed the problem in very costly way, learning the knowledge that Shenseki knew-- that you need a lot of troops to maintain order-- a little late in the game because he went with Rumsfield's advice on how many troops you need to win a war (which was true) but then Bush wanted to not only win the war, but nation build Iraq.

Steve still needs to answer the question posed.


The republicans want to spend the SS surplus, cut taxes, and borrow from China and the rest of the world to do it.



They can't credibly do that and call the dems. the tax and spend party.

It just isn't true.

The republs. set up the drug program, with it costing taxpayers more than it needs to, not enforcing the patent laws on drugs, which cost the govt program more money, and racking up huge future liabilities based on the new social program for the baby boomers. Had they paid attention to what businesses were doing to retirement plans and pensions, not funding them as they accrued, we wouldn't have needed that huge govt. program. The economy would have provided it without the govt. Instead, they bowed to the deflationary free trade that sold out U.S. labor thus compounding the growing problem for the next office holders. Maybe they think communist China will keep bailing them out with loans :lol: .
 
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nonothing said:
GW Bush is over move on....you either think he did a good job,or he put your country in the tank...Or you are indifferent....The thing is history will reveal his legacy be it good or bad....

Now the question is who really is the next person to not only ride out the strom but also resureact a once strong economic world power to what it once was....who will tackle the still ongoing problems of medicare and imigration...Who will bring back the power and fear of a now banged up Armed forces....who will make the people feel safe in their homes and stop the many street addictions that are cutting out the guts from the inside...Who will help the poor but yet bring taxes for all down.....

You can blame todays America on bush or you can not.....the point is now moot...

Nice try, but Bush isn't gone. Right now his Administration is working on an agreement that will keep American troops in Iraq indefinitely. An agreement that doesn't have to be approved by the Senate, that doesn't have to be approved by the voters, will cost this country millions of dollars, an agreement that will cover his behind for a long long time. Maybe until everyone forgets what a mess he made of his presidency.
 
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Tex-- Heres one of the closest to Agriculture examples of GW's huge expansion of Bureacracy and more "Big Brotherism"...Before they get thru with this program and get all their USDA "inspectors" and "police"- this will cost the producers and taxpayers Billions $--while putting everyone one more step under government/industry combined control--- or in other words, FACISM........

Farmers fear a barnyard Big Brother

A federal database of animals to fight disease outbreaks is a threat to privacy and family operations, critics say.



By Nicole Gaouette, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

Los Angeles Times

January 14, 2008



WASHINGTON -- After days of parading around her beefy black steer in the dung-scented August heat at the Colorado State Fair, Brandi Calderwood made the final competition. For months, the 16-year-old worked from dawn well past dusk, fitting in the work around school, to feed, train and clean her steer. But just before the last round, when the animals are sold, fair officials disqualified her.



They alleged that Brandi had not properly followed a new and controversial rule that required children to register their farms with a federal animal tracking system. After heated words, the Calderwoods were told to leave. A security guard trailed Brandi and her mother, even to the restroom.



"Emotionally she went through the wringer and didn't get the honor of showing in the sale. For a 16-year-old, that's a big deal," said Cathy Calderwood, Brandi's mother.



A Bush administration initiative, the National Animal Identification System is meant to provide a modern tool for tracking disease outbreaks within 48 hours, whether natural or the work of a bioterrorist. Most farm animals, even exotic ones such as llamas, will eventually be registered. Information will be kept on every farm, ranch or stable. And databases will record every animal movement from birth to slaughterhouse, including trips to the vet and county fairs.



But the system is spawning a grass-roots revolt.


Family farmers see it as an assault on their way of life by a federal bureaucracy with close ties to industrial agriculture. They point out that they will have to track every animal while vast commercial operations will be allowed to track whole herds.



Privacy advocates say the database would create an invasive, detailed electronic record of farmers' activities. Religious farming communities, such as the Amish and Mennonites, fear the system is a manifestation of the Mark of the Beast foretold in the Book of Revelation.



And despite the administration's insistence that the program is voluntary, farmers and families, such as the Calderwoods, chafe at the heavy-handed and often mandatory way states have implemented it, sometimes with the help of sheriff's deputies.



The result is a system meant to help farms that many farmers oppose.



"It's totally ridiculous," said Joaquin Contente, who oversees 1,700 Holsteins on his Hanford, Calif., dairy farm. Contente said existing regulations in California and other states meant his cows and their movements were well-documented.



"We already have a good paper trail. It will be more of a burden for the small-to-average producer," said Contente, who worries about the expense for an average-size farm like his.



Run by the Department of Agriculture, the system is meant to help combat threats such as avian flu and mad cow disease.



"Right now, we have six different disease-eradication programs, and they don't always communicate with each other, and they're paper intensive," said Bruce Knight, a USDA undersecretary. "That worked fine in the last century, but that isn't the way to run a rapid response system in the 21st century."



Cattle groups were working on a registration system when, in 2003, a mad cow disease scare in Washington state set the industry on edge. A diseased Canadian cow entered the U.S. with 81 other cows, but only 29 could be found. More than 250 animals from 10 different herds were destroyed in the investigation.



Foreign beef trade stopped immediately, with industry losses estimated at $2 billion to $4 billion. Trade still has not fully recovered.



Within the cattle industry, the database is seen as essential to restore U.S. exports in the international market. There are more than 100 million beef cattle and about 10 million dairy cows in the United States. The world's largest beef consumer, the European Union, is sensitive to mad cow disease because of outbreaks in Britain.



The first stage of the animal ID system involves free registration of the "premises" where livestock are kept. That seven-digit number is stored by the federal government, which had registered 440,997 farms as of last week, out of 1.43 million.



The second stage, now under way, involves identifying animals with a microchip or a plastic or metal ear tag containing a 15-digit code.



Federal officials aim to register cattle, bison, poultry, swine, sheep, goats, deer, elk, horses, mules, donkeys, burros, llamas and alpacas. Household pets are not included.



The third stage, not yet in effect, would require farmers to report animal movements to the database within 24 hours.



Farms that move animals in bulk from feedlot to slaughterhouse can get one animal ID for the entire herd. But smaller farmers who move and sell animals individually would have to get each animal an ID at a cost of about $1.50 apiece.



Small farmers are complaining about the cost of ID microchips and technology readers, as well as the labor costs involved in tracking and tagging animals.



"The small guy will get hit the hardest," said Pam Potthoff, of Women Involved in Farm Economics, whose family runs a cow and calf farm in Trenton, Neb.



Other farmers argue that a one-size-fits-all system is not appropriate.



"Where is the scientific proof that small farmers pose the same disease risk as large confined feeding operations?" asked Judith McGeary, an Austin, Texas, farmer and lawyer, who founded the Farm and Ranch Freedom Alliance to fight the database system. "I could have been convinced that there were benefits to this program if they had come back and said here are the studies, here's the epidemiology."



McGeary, who raises grass-fed lamb, free-range poultry and laying hens, said the program could cripple smaller family farms and organic growers. "It will be impossible to report every death, every coyote carrying off a chicken; you just can't," she said.


Some Amish and Mennonite farmers have left agriculture rather than comply, said lawyer Mary-Louise Zanoni, who volunteers to work for the farmers. They are troubled by a passage in Revelation 13:16-18. Those verses tell of an evil force that will manifest itself as an outside entity, like a government, that forces people to buy or sell things under a numbering system. "We feel the premises registration, animal ID issue, is an act of the anti-Christ," a group of Old Order Amish farmers wrote in a letter to Wisconsin agriculture officials.



The USDA's Knight said he was aware of the Amish's concerns but countered that one common-sense solution was to sign these communities up for a premises ID and not for individual animal IDs. He dismissed reports that Amish or Mennonite farmers had given up farming because of the system. "This is rife with rumor," he said.



The administration originally wanted mandatory participation in the database when it was unveiled in 2005, but an outcry from farmers and ranchers forced a shift to voluntary registration. Agriculture officials warned, however, that the program would remain voluntary only if enough farms participated. One draft plan commits the department to meet by 2011 "necessary levels of participation," defined as 70% of animals in a species.



States and farm groups, such as the National Cattlemen's Foundation, can implement the system as they want. In fact, President Bush has not registered his Crawford, Texas, ranch or the eight head of cattle he keeps, according to a White House spokesman.



Opponents of the ID system, however, say USDA actions are making the program virtually compulsory. Since 2004, USDA has pledged more than $51 million to states and farm groups to promote premises registration -- but they must register a certain number of farms to get the money. "They only get the money if they get the performance," said Knight, who acknowledged "a great deal of resistance out there."



Some states have responded by registering farms in less than voluntary ways.



Idaho, New York and Massachusetts issued premises numbers to livestock owners unasked. Texas adopted regulations for elk that initially required microchips and a report of any movements "by the close of the next business day." Wisconsin told milk producers that cheese plants could not take milk from farms without a premises number. North Carolina announced that only farmers with a premises ID could receive drought aid.



Michigan required any cattle leaving a farm to have radio-frequency ID chips with individual numbers. When one farmer in East Jordan refused, arguing that he sells from his 20-head herd only to people he knows, the state agriculture department showed up with a search warrant, sheriff's deputies and state troopers to tag and test his animals.



Many farmers also deeply resent the way USDA's youth programs, including 4H and Future Farmers of America, are requiring children like Brandi Calderwood to register.



"This is like the government saying your kids can't be in your community soccer program unless you register your home with the government," Cathy Calderwood said. "It's just way too much Big Brother."



The Calderwoods and some other families had registered their animals with the county fairground's number because fair rules had simply called for a "valid" number. After disqualifying Brandi, officials said she could stay if she registered her farm. The Calderwoods, opponents of the database, refused.



Fair officials paid Brandi the sum she would have gotten for her steer, but Brandi said: "It is too bad that the state fair had to ruin my experience."



John Stulp, Colorado's agriculture commissioner, said that 480 other fair-goers registered without complaint and suggested that some resistance was simply a reaction to change.



Statewide, about 28% of the premises are registered, he said, but more are needed to safeguard Colorado's $16-billion agriculture industry. "We have a responsibility to protect and enhance our agriculture industry," Stulp said. "Part of that is to make sure we rapidly respond to some kind of disease outbreak or threat in our state."



latimes.com
 

Tex

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You are totally right, Oldtimer.

Thad Cochrane, Senator from MS, stopped the Country of Origin Labeling law by not funding it when it came to his committee.

The USDA has obviously stopped making the plant number be on bags of chickens that are sold in the grocery store with the USDA Inspected label.

We can't keep track of all the food items imported from other countries into the U.S. nor its safety.

Now Bruce Knight is saying the USDA needs to know where all the livestock production in the United States is?


We need to be wary of all of these guys in this administration. They are nothing but puppets carrying out the policies big agribusiness wants--- and it is nothing more than ways of increasing their power over our food supply, as if they didn't have enough already.

This is definitely the wrong direction--- kind of like the unnecessary taking of our freedoms because of the threat of terrorism.

We need to be much more careful of the kind of terrorism our own govt. is setting up than the boogie men they keep using as excuses.
 

hopalong

Well-known member
Nono I have never agreed with you on anything!! But this is one time I will!
All those crying and blaming Bush are kinda like spitting into the wind! It is over all the crying towels in the workd are not going to change anything.
Those cryers want to find news releases that lay fault, but what good does laying fault do!
Bet it makes ff oldtimer tex and koluraven feel better to blame some one ok so be it!!!!!!!!!! :roll: :roll:

Wanna bet they find something else before the morning ????
not me!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
 

Steve

Well-known member
Tex
Steve still needs to answer the question posed.

I don't need to answer the question...

You seem to be a little over concerned with what I think.. so I'll give you the same courtesy you gave me, but with out the insults...
 

Steve

Well-known member
NoNothing
Some good points Steve and yes I know GW is still the president,but his term is almost over.My point was who is the best person to tackle the job of president for the next four years?...Also thought it was time for people to stop blaming Bush or defending Bush cause either no longer matters....Whats done is done,now who really is the best person for the job? And is he or she even in the race for president?

to get back to your point.. I don't see a clear leader yet..

I know of several leaders that I feel could do the job, and do it well, but they are not running...

If I voted on issues... Duncan Hunter would get my vote..

If I totally ignored the issues like the democrats, then Obama seems to have the ability to give great speeches that liberals love... and he topped Hillery's 70 billion dollar bail out with his 75 billion dollar bail out today.. leaving Edwards with telling them the truth....

I think that Ron Paul has great ideals, but is to extreme..

But not one of them is going to do what you asked in your post..

best person for the job? Newt Gingrich with Sarah Palin as VP
 

Steve

Well-known member
Newt Gingrich

Former Speaker of the US House of Representatives

He led the republican revolution and he understands why the public is fed up with the party today. He has the unique ability to put into words what the majority of Americans are feeling. No one has more clout with the conservatives

on the downside his marriages/affairs and ethics issues clouded his popular agenda..


Sarah+Palin.jpg

Sarah Palin

Governor, Alaska

Former Mayor, former beauty queen, and currently the most popular Governor in America, Palin would be a great Vice President to any candidate. Her husband is a commercial fisherman and her oldest son is in the Army. All together she has four children and is strongly pro-life. She is also a lifetime member of the NRA and strong supporter of the second amendment.

Perhaps her strongest attribute is her complete intolerance for unethical or corrupt government. She has filed complaints against her own bosses, and she is still cleaning out Alaska’s political machine. In addition to her strong ethics, she is also an unwavering fiscal conservative. After taking office in a state that increased spending at a rate of 14% a year, she cut the budget to only a 4% increase. She has also dramatically reduced federal earmarks to the state. Alaska usually requests more than 100 earmarks per year, but this year Sarah Palin will ask for only 12, decreasing federal earmarks for her state by almost 90%!

There is a strong movement to draft Palin for VP no matter who wins the nomination. She is young, fresh, and would bring a commitment to ethics and limited government to any campaign.
 

aplusmnt

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nonothing said:
jodywy said:
Kennedy cut taxes and it increased growth , thus more tax money came in


wasn't he a democrat???..

Ever think that A huge debt left behind by an exiting president,is one of the reason taxes go up?

Might be so, Clinton left Bush such a large debt it was probably impossible for him to pay it down. Now maybe if 911 would not have happened he could have worked on solving that Clinton debt but he was faced with more pressing problems throughout his terms.

But even with Clintons great debt Bush still cut taxes and still increased Tax Revenue.
 

aplusmnt

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nonothing said:
Now the question is who really is the next person to not only ride out the strom but also resureact a once strong economic world power to what it once was....who will tackle the still ongoing problems of medicare and imigration...Who will bring back the power and fear of a now banged up Armed forces....who will make the people feel safe in their homes and stop the many street addictions that are cutting out the guts from the inside...Who will help the poor but yet bring taxes for all down.....

I wish you would spread the word a little more about how rough things are in the U.S. then maybe we would not have such a problem with illegal immigrants sneaking in to this worn out and desolate country.

Funny how with all our problems with economics, Health industry and Military we are still at the top of all those areas. Even the poorest have more in America than many nations middle class, we are still the country of choice to come get the best medical care in the world and our military is still the strongest to EVER walk the earth.

I guess even on a bad day America is a pretty neat place to live huh?
 

nonothing

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aplusmnt said:
nonothing said:
Now the question is who really is the next person to not only ride out the strom but also resureact a once strong economic world power to what it once was....who will tackle the still ongoing problems of medicare and imigration...Who will bring back the power and fear of a now banged up Armed forces....who will make the people feel safe in their homes and stop the many street addictions that are cutting out the guts from the inside...Who will help the poor but yet bring taxes for all down.....

I wish you would spread the word a little more about how rough things are in the U.S. then maybe we would not have such a problem with illegal immigrants sneaking in to this worn out and desolate country.

Funny how with all our problems with economics, Health industry and Military we are still at the top of all those areas. Even the poorest have more in America than many nations middle class, we are still the country of choice to come get the best medical care in the world and our military is still the strongest to EVER walk the earth.

I guess even on a bad day America is a pretty neat place to live huh?

Whatever you say Aplus...If you think its all peachy I am not here to change that....I believe each persons has their own way of seeing things and you are intitled to your opinion.....I see no reason to challenge what you believe because that is only wasted time...I will concern myself with those that want to add to the conversation rather then take it off track....
 

Soapweed

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nonothing said:
aplusmnt said:
nonothing said:
Now the question is who really is the next person to not only ride out the strom but also resureact a once strong economic world power to what it once was....who will tackle the still ongoing problems of medicare and imigration...Who will bring back the power and fear of a now banged up Armed forces....who will make the people feel safe in their homes and stop the many street addictions that are cutting out the guts from the inside...Who will help the poor but yet bring taxes for all down.....

I wish you would spread the word a little more about how rough things are in the U.S. then maybe we would not have such a problem with illegal immigrants sneaking in to this worn out and desolate country.

Funny how with all our problems with economics, Health industry and Military we are still at the top of all those areas. Even the poorest have more in America than many nations middle class, we are still the country of choice to come get the best medical care in the world and our military is still the strongest to EVER walk the earth.

I guess even on a bad day America is a pretty neat place to live huh?

Whatever you say Aplus...If you think its all peachy I am not here to change that....I believe each persons has their own way of seeing things and you are intitled to your opinion.....I see no reason to challenge what you believe because that is only wasted time...I will concern myself with those that want to add to the conversation rather then take it off track...

We do live in the best country in the world. Aplusmnt was trying to "get the conversation back on track" to help us remember our priorities, and remember how blessed we are.
 
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