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Disagreeable

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Link below.

Tens of thousands of protesters marched Saturday through lower Manhattan to demand an immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, just hours after this month's U.S. military death toll reached 70.
Cindy Sheehan, a vociferous critic of the war whose soldier son died in Iraq, joined in the march, as did actress Susan Sarandon and the Rev. Jesse Jackson.
''End this war, bring the troops home,'' read one sign lifted by marchers on the sunny afternoon, three years after the war in Iraq began. The mother of a Marine killed two years ago in Iraq held a picture of her son, born in 1984 and killed 20 years later.
One group marched under the banner ``Veterans for Peace.''
The demonstrators stretched for about 10 blocks as they headed down Broadway. Organizers said 300,000 people marched, though a police spokesman declined to give an estimate. There were no reports of arrests.”


http://www.charlotte.com/mld/miamiherald/news/nation/14463279.htm?source=rss&channel=miamiherald_nation
 

Disagreeable

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Southdakotahunter said:
Sheehans' kid would be rolling over in his grave!

I doubt that. I think he'd be proud that his mom is standing up for what she believes in. Standing up to the ugly names, rude remarks, slander even of her son, to ask someone, anyone, to explain why her son had to die in Iraq, how his death made the US safer. George W. Bush could have shut her down quickly if he had taken a few minutes out of his vacation, invited her onto his ranch and talked to her. But he ignored her and the press loved to show her camping beside the road in the Texas heat. She's pretty much old news now, though. This demonstration wasn't the only one in the country Saturday. There was even a small one in Salt Lake City. :shock: And it wasn't just New Yorkers in the streets. People came from across the US to protest. Like I said, it's a start.
 

T3023

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60 Minutes Transcript, 4/23/06

BRADLEY: [In October 2002,] the CIA had made a major intelligence breakthrough on Iraq’s nuclear program. Naji Sabri, Iraq’s foreign minister, had made a deal to reveal Iraq’s military secrets to the CIA. Tyler Drumheller was in charge of the operation.

DRUMHELLER: This was a very high inner circle of Saddam Hussein, someone who would know what he was talking about.

BRADLEY: You knew you could trust this guy?

DRUMHELLER: We continued to validate him the whole way through.

BRADLEY: According to Drumheller, CIA Director George Tenet delivered the news about the Iraqi foreign minister at a high level meeting at the White House.

DRUMHELLER: The President, the Vice President, Dr. Rice…

BRADLEY: And at that meeting…?

DRUMHELLER: They were enthusiastic because they said they were excited that we had a high-level penetration of Iraqis.

BRADLEY: And what did this high level source tell you?

DRUMHELLER: He told us that they had no active weapons of mass destruction program.

BRADLEY: So, in the fall of 2002, before going to war, we had it on good authority from a source within Saddam’s inner circle that he didn’t have an active program for weapons of mass destruction?

DRUMHELLER: Yes.

BRADLEY: There’s no doubt in your mind about that?

DRUMHELLER: No doubt in my mind at all.

BRADLEY: It directly contradicts, though, what the President and his staff were telling us.

DRUMHELLER: The policy was set. The war in Iraq was coming, and they were looking for intelligence to fit into the policy, to justify the policy.

BRADLEY: Drumheller expected the White House to ask for more information from the Iraqi foreign minister. He was taken aback by what happened.

DRUMHELLER: The group that was dealing with preparations for the Iraq war came back and said they’re no longer interested. And we said, “Well, what about the intel?” And they said, “Well, this isn’t about intel anymore. This is about regime change.”

BRADLEY: And if I understand you correctly, when the White House learned that you had this source from the inner circle of Saddam Hussein, they were thrilled with that.

DRUMHELLER: The first we heard, they were. Yes.

BRADLEY: But when they learned what it was that he had to say, that Saddam did not have the capability to wage nuclear war, weapons of mass destruction…?

DRUMHELLER: They stopped being interested in the intelligence.

BRADLEY: The White House declined to respond to Drumheller’s account of Naji Sabri’s role, but Secretary of State Rice has said that Sabri, the Iraqi foreign minister-turned-U.S. spy, was just one source, and therefore his information wasn’t reliable.

DRUMHELLER: They certainly took information that came from single sources on uranium, on the yellowcake story and on several other stories that had no corroboration at all, and so you can’t say you only listen to one source, because on many issues they only listened to one source.


BRADLEY: So you’re saying that if there was a single source and that information from that source backed up the case they were trying to build, then that single source was okay, but if it didn’t, then the single source was not okay because he couldn’t be corroborated.
DRUMHELLER: Unfortunately, that’s what it looks like.


http://thinkprogress.org/60-minutes-42306
 

Southdakotahunter

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well, like it or not, we are at war and will be there till its over. The reasons why we went may not seem credible, but we are there, DEAL WITH IT!! We have been told we will take the offensive to Al Quada whereever it may be. Sorry to break the news to you but they are in Iraq and doing their thing. We are there and so is the Talaban......

Maybe you all think we should leave the country so they can take over, get stronger and attack us again?

They are there...enough said. We will leave when they are all dead and, again, sorry to break the news, go to the next place they are hiding out.

As soon as that happens, the dems will scream how we should have taken care of the problem when we were there.

I dont like war and neither does anyone else. Let our boys get the job done!
 

Southdakotahunter

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screwed up that post! Sorry. What i ment to say was if we leave Iraq without the job being done and the Talaban takes over, gets stronger and attacks, the dems will scream we should have taken care of the problem when we were there!
 

Disagreeable

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Southdakotahunter said:
well, like it or not, we are at war and will be there till its over. The reasons why we went may not seem credible, but we are there, DEAL WITH IT!! We have been told we will take the offensive to Al Quada whereever it may be. Sorry to break the news to you but they are in Iraq and doing their thing. We are there and so is the Talaban......

If the Taliban is in Iraq, it's only there since Bush invaded the country. Saddam didn't allow any group/individual that might become strong or popular enough to over throw him. The Taliban were in Afghanistan. [/quote] Do you not know the difference in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Maybe you all think we should leave the country so they can take over, get stronger and attack us again?

No one on this board has suggested leaving Afghanistan, even though that war has become a stepchild to the Administration.

They are there...enough said. We will leave when they are all dead and, again, sorry to break the news, go to the next place they are hiding out.

Sigh. You should be ashamed of your lack of knowledge. Again, if the Taliban are in Iraq, it's only since Bush chose to invade that country.

As soon as that happens, the dems will scream how we should have taken care of the problem when we were there.

I've been screaming ever since I started posting here that our southern border is a danger to national security. Only recently has our President called for more funding for the Border Patrol. That shows you how serious he is about protecting this country from terrorists.

I dont like war and neither does anyone else. Let our boys get the job done!

Take time to tell me what you will consider a "win" in Iraq that will allow our troops to come home. They have an elected government. Saddam is in jail and on trial. We've trained 100,000+ troops and police. Why can't our troops come home?
 

Southdakotahunter

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As far as i and anyone else is concerned, Al Queda/talaban-one in the same. dis me for not really caring what the dif is dis, they are both evil. Until THEY are destroyed, you or i are never ever going to be safe. They are in Iraq NOW...you know that. OUR president has said we will take the fight to them.....well dis, they are there and so are we so we need to stay until they are ALL DEAD. How are we gonna know when they are all dead? Thats the million dollar ? but they are not now.

On the border, i dont know how the heck you got off track, but since you did, bush wont fix the prob, but the prob was there during every single administration before this! This has been a prob before gee dubya became

When would be a good time to pull out? I am, and neither are you, an expert on war or warfare. I have to trust our military and those in charge of the military to decide that. I know if we leave today, the entire country will be a bigger shi% hole than it is now.

How many were murdered when we left the first time we were there because they helped us out? How many more will be if we left today dis?
 

Disagreeable

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Southdakotahunter said:
As far as i and anyone else is concerned, Al Queda/talaban-one in the same. dis me for not really caring what the dif is dis, they are both evil.

You can cover your ears and eyes and scream at the top of your lungs. It won't change facts. The Taliban and Al Quaida are not the same thing. You show yourself to be ignorant when you make such an argument.

Until THEY are destroyed, you or i are never ever going to be safe. They are in Iraq NOW...you know that.

No, I don't know that the Taliban are in Iraq. Please show me some reports from our military, government, etc., that show the Taliban are seriously taking part in the war in Iraq. There may be Taliban fighters in Iraq. Every group that hates America has been coming to that region. But they weren't there until Bush chose to invade Iraq.

OUR president has said we will take the fight to them.....well dis, they are there and so are we so we need to stay until they are ALL DEAD. How are we gonna know when they are all dead? Thats the million dollar ? but they are not now.

Our president lies, over and over, with maice aforethought. I know it, you know it, the world knows it. The fact that we have a less than credible president puts our nation at risk.

On the border, i dont know how the heck you got off track, but since you did, bush wont fix the prob, but the prob was there during every single administration before this! This has been a prob before gee dubya became

Yes, the border has been open for generations. But we're in a "post 9/11" era. Haven't you been paying attention to your president? :roll: He's been telling us over and over how dangerous the times are and how he's working to protect this country. Yet at the same time, he refuses to strengthen the border patrol and is willing to outsource our harbors to an Arab country that has offered support for terrorists in the past. Now he's willing to turn companies over to that same country that make essential materials for our military. Does that make any sense to you? It only makes sense if you realize that he doesn't believe what he says about our country being at risk.

When would be a good time to pull out? I am, and neither are you, an expert on war or warfare. I have to trust our military and those in charge of the military to decide that. I know if we leave today, the entire country will be a bigger shi% hole than it is now.

What do you think is going to happen by the end of the year when Gen Casey says we probably can bring home our troops? How many will die before the end of the year? Will the Shiites and Sunnis love each other by then? Will the Kurds give up their claim on Kirkuik by then? I doubt it. This is their problem. Let them solve it. I don't think they'll try to get along until forced to. As long as we're there, giving them $billions and defending them, I don't think they'll address their problems.

How many were murdered when we left the first time we were there because they helped us out? How many more will be if we left today dis?

:roll: Saddam gassed the Kurds, not the Shiites after we left. I don't know how many Iraqis will die if we leave Iraq today. But virtually every day 10, 20, 50, 80 bodies are found murdered, tortured, tied, shot in the head or worse. I hope when George W. Bush goes to bed at night he hears the screams of the 35-40,000 innocent men, women and children, babies, who have died simply because he wanted Saddam. But I doubt he gives them a second thought.
 

Southdakotahunter

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you are so far out in left field, i dont even know why i bother with you. Iraqis are Iraqis. I dont care if its Kurd, Shiites, or who. They are Iraqis, kind of like the border...they are illegals. I dont care if they are mexican, canadian, or freakin Polocks! If they are illegal they are illegal. Iraqis are iraqis and tens of thousands of innocent iraqis will die when we leave, you can bet on that, you know it also, but you dont care about them.

How long were we in Germany or Japan after WW2 dis? Do you really think we can go in there and up and leave and all will be fine? Your HIGH!
 

Disagreeable

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Southdakotahunter said:
you are so far out in left field, i dont even know why i bother with you. Iraqis are Iraqis. I dont care if its Kurd, Shiites, or who. They are Iraqis, kind of like the border...they are illegals. I dont care if they are mexican, canadian, or freakin Polocks! If they are illegal they are illegal. Iraqis are iraqis and tens of thousands of innocent iraqis will die when we leave, you can bet on that, you know it also, but you dont care about them.

Your ignorance knows no bounds. If Iraqis were Iraqis there would be no problem. Iraqis are, first of all, Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds. Then, if their religious leaders say it's ok, they can be Iraqis. Kurds aren't even Arabs. :roll: They want their part of Iraq back. But if the Iraqi Kurds get an independent Kurdish State, the Kurds in Iran and Pakistan will want to separate from those countries and join the Iraq Kurds. Pakistan and Iran don't want that to happen. The Iraq Kurds probably have the strongest military in Iraq, after the US. If they decide to break away, who's going to stop them? Their friends, the United States? Will we go to war with the Kurds?

How long were we in Germany or Japan after WW2 dis? Do you really think we can go in there and up and leave and all will be fine? Your HIGH!

Too long. In fact, we're still in Germany. But we went to WWII because we were attacked, not because our president wanted a war. You just keep coming up with examples that won't work.
 

BBJ

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Disagreeable said:
Southdakotahunter said:
you are so far out in left field, i dont even know why i bother with you. Iraqis are Iraqis. I dont care if its Kurd, Shiites, or who. They are Iraqis, kind of like the border...they are illegals. I dont care if they are mexican, canadian, or freakin Polocks! If they are illegal they are illegal. Iraqis are iraqis and tens of thousands of innocent iraqis will die when we leave, you can bet on that, you know it also, but you dont care about them.

Your ignorance knows no bounds. If Iraqis were Iraqis there would be no problem. Iraqis are, first of all, Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds. Then, if their religious leaders say it's ok, they can be Iraqis. Kurds aren't even Arabs. :roll: They want their part of Iraq back. But if the Iraqi Kurds get an independent Kurdish State, the Kurds in Iran and Pakistan will want to separate from those countries and join the Iraq Kurds. Pakistan and Iran don't want that to happen. The Iraq Kurds probably have the strongest military in Iraq, after the US. If they decide to break away, who's going to stop them? Their friends, the United States? Will we go to war with the Kurds?

How long were we in Germany or Japan after WW2 dis? Do you really think we can go in there and up and leave and all will be fine? Your HIGH!

Too long. In fact, we're still in Germany. But we went to WWII because we were attacked, not because our president wanted a war. You just keep coming up with examples that won't work.

And you continuously saying that President Bush wanted this war doesn't work either. dis get a grip on reality and get over the fact that we are at war, and like it or not nobody consulted with you before we went there because you are not the expert you would like us to believe you are. Grow up.

Southdakotahunter wrote to dis: "you are so far out in left field, i dont even know why i bother with you. "

Thats my vote for statement of the week.
 

Southdakotahunter

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what ever.......if your from Iraq, your freakin Iraqi........if your from the USA, your American.........It dont matter if your Luthern, Muslim or Budist, black, white, red or yellow.. your freakin American.........

IRAQI PEOPLE WILL DIE AT AN ALARMING RATE THAT WILL MAKE TODAYS DEATH TOLL LOOK LIKE A WALK ON THE BEACH!
 

Disagreeable

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BBJ said:
And you continuously saying that President Bush wanted this war doesn't work either. dis get a grip on reality and get over the fact that we are at war, and like it or not nobody consulted with you before we went there because you are not the expert you would like us to believe you are. Grow up.

Listen, the fact is that Bush discussed toppling Saddam in his very first Cabinet meeting. His Sec of Treasury said so in his book. His first comment after 9/11 to his terrorism expert, Richard Clark, was "did Saddam do this?" The White House first denied that question, but there were others around that heard it, so they dropped that denial. When the CIA told him they had turned the Iraqi Foreign Minister and he said there were WMDs, Bush wasn't interested. He used information from a German source to build his case for the war, even though the Germans had said he was unreliable. He used the uranium-Niger link even though he knew the CIA didn't believe it. There's no way to excuse this. George W. Bush wanted Saddam from the day he took the oath of office. He used 9/11 as an excuse to go to war with Saddam. Scooter Libby says Bush authorized him to leak classified information to the press to support his case for war; classified information that had been discredited! Thousands dead, $billions gone, because this man wanted his "little" war.

Southdakotahunter wrote to dis: "you are so far out in left field, i dont even know why i bother with you. "

Thats my vote for statement of the week.

Well, it's only Tuesday. BTW, SDH bothers with me because he can't discredit what I say. He can only insult me.
 

Disagreeable

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Southdakotahunter said:
what ever.......if your from Iraq, your freakin Iraqi........if your from the USA, your American.........It dont matter if your Luthern, Muslim or Budist, black, white, red or yellow.. your freakin American.........

Wrong.

IRAQI PEOPLE WILL DIE AT AN ALARMING RATE THAT WILL MAKE TODAYS DEATH TOLL LOOK LIKE A WALK ON THE BEACH!

And you're such an expert? :lol: They're already dying at an alarming rate. I say they'll come together and work things out, or split up the country. Either way, we can't make them get along. We can't make them embrace our way of life. Our military has done their job; Saddam is gone. It's up to the diplomats and the Iraqi people to come together...or not. It's time to bring our troops home.
 
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