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IT'S BEEN ONE HELLUVA FIGHT

FIGHT ON OR GIVE UP ?

  • FIGHT ON!!!

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  • GIVE IT UP!!

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HAY MAKER

Well-known member
Foreigners,Packer advocates and the NCBA,against the cattle mans group called R CALF.
Is this a fight the cattle man must win ? or should it be given up,let the cattle man be an employee for the beef industry ?
It worked on the chicken farmer did'nt it,also worked for the pig producers,just look how well they are doing.
Makes me wonder,why is the Cattle man fighting this changeing of the industry so hard...................good luck
 

HAY MAKER

Well-known member
rkaiser said:
You gotta know what you're fighting about first Haytimer.

Canadian ranchers are not the enemy.

I been waiting for you to prove it,seems like I remember a while back R CALF making attempts to communicate some problems to your CCA,and was told they we not interested ?...............good luck
 

Bill

Well-known member
HAY MAKER said:
rkaiser said:
You gotta know what you're fighting about first Haytimer.

Canadian ranchers are not the enemy.

I been waiting for you to prove it,seems like I remember a while back R CALF making attempts to communicate some problems to your CCA,and was told they we not interested ?...............good luck

Seems like you remember? :lol:

I would be interested in seeing your example of when R-Calf tried to work with CCA or any Canadian producer group.
 

HAY MAKER

Well-known member
Bill said:
HAY MAKER said:
rkaiser said:
You gotta know what you're fighting about first Haytimer.

Canadian ranchers are not the enemy.

I been waiting for you to prove it,seems like I remember a while back R CALF making attempts to communicate some problems to your CCA,and was told they we not interested ?...............good luck

Seems like you remember? :lol:

I would be interested in seeing your example of when R-Calf tried to work with CCA or any Canadian producer group.

And I would be interested in your being up to speed on the issuses,you might want to research this..............good luck
 

Murgen

Well-known member
You're on the right path, Haymaker.

Keep asking yourself, "Is it me"?

Why have 720,000 cattle men not signed up yet?
 

Bill

Well-known member
HAY MAKER said:
Bill said:
HAY MAKER said:
I been waiting for you to prove it,seems like I remember a while back R CALF making attempts to communicate some problems to your CCA,and was told they we not interested ?...............good luck

Seems like you remember? :lol:

I would be interested in seeing your example of when R-Calf tried to work with CCA or any Canadian producer group.

And I would be interested in your being up to speed on the issuses,you might want to research this..............good luck

Per the norm! Haymaker remembering something that didn't happen?

R-Calf wanting to work with Canadians? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You must be confusing Leo and some of the R-Clan wanting to sell bulls out of Midland to Canadians as "wanting to work" with them.
 

HAY MAKER

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Bill said:
HAY MAKER said:
Bill said:
Seems like you remember? :lol:

I would be interested in seeing your example of when R-Calf tried to work with CCA or any Canadian producer group.

And I would be interested in your being up to speed on the issuses,you might want to research this..............good luck

Per the norm! Haymaker remembering something that didn't happen?

R-Calf wanting to work with Canadians? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You must be confusing Leo and some of the R-Clan wanting to sell bulls out of Midland to Canadians as "wanting to work" with them.

No its a fact Billy boy,and if it aint too much trouble,I will try and prove this to you, this has been about two years ago,if it is more trouble than its worth,forget me finding it for you,because you and I both know you will refuse and or twist it into something anti R CALF :wink: ...........good luck
 

HAY MAKER

Well-known member
don said:
haymaker, people like you are why r-calf will fail.

Funny,I was thinkin people like you are the reason there is an R CALF,I doubt seriously they fail for any reason,I guess the fact that they are growing proves me right and you wrong..........good luck
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
rkaiser said:
You gotta know what you're fighting about first Haytimer.

Canadian ranchers are not the enemy.

Bill Bullard has said exactly that. I don't think you know as much about R-CALF as you think you do.
 

HAY MAKER

Well-known member
Murgen said:
Haymaker, what have they won, so far?

Its my humble opinion,the biggest thing they have won is the confidence of 18000 cattle men,we understand these changes will be slow in coming,and they will be hard fought battles to win,the problem is we have no choice,fight or do nothing and watch our livelihood disappear..........good luck
PS I believe if you think hard you may remember a round or two R CALF has won in this border dispute ?
 

rkaiser

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I see that the majority so far think we should all give up. Who are those voters --- gopher trappers --- industry folk who's lives depend on Cargill and Tyson surviving --- or simply those who have had their ranches bought and paid for by papa?
 

rkaiser

Well-known member
Sandhusker replied to Kaiser's statement about Rcalf's view of Canadian producers not being the enemy - -
Bill Bullard has said exactly that. I don't think you know as much about R-CALF as you think you do.

I actually think that Rcalf's fight is with the ABP\CCA as mine has become - however I still feel that the bad mothing that Rcalf has done concerning BSE has not only hurt Canadian producers but helped Cargill and Tyson in their Canadian Salmon run.
 

DiamondSCattleCo

Well-known member
rkaiser said:
however I still feel that the bad mothing that Rcalf has done concerning BSE has not only hurt Canadian producers but helped Cargill and Tyson in their Canadian Salmon run.

As much respect I as have for some of the RCalf members on here, I feel this is correct. There are far larger problems facing the industry on both sides of the border, and quite frankly, I think producers need to join together. As a Canadian cattle producer, I need to worry about those larger problems, however, I need decent prices today in order to fight tomorrow. And so do Americans. The idea that Canadian cattle coming into the US has dropped your prices into the toilet is somewhat questionable.

Did the opening of the border have an impact on your prices? Maybe. But it certainly isn't the only reason, nor is it the most important reason. Our cattle are less than 4% of your market. It just doesn't have that much effect. RCalf needs to direct their efforts towards forcing the USDA to strengthen their feed bans, and making steps in other directions. So do we Canadians, but we can't do it when we're fighting one another, and the politicians and corporations know it.

Rod
 

rkaiser

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Diamond says
So do we Canadians, but we can't do it when we're fighting one another, and the politicians and corporations know it.

The best way to control the masses is distraction. Sometimes a catostophic event is created on purpose and sometimes an event like BSE comes along at an opportune time :roll: After the event, all the packers and their halter broke politicians had to do is sit back and watch Rcalf and the lead hands at NCBA and CCA go to work.

Look at how good it is working in Canada. Ranchers are accepting the fact that packers are stealing their cull cows. Talking of how lucky we are to be getting 30 cents a pound for D1 cows. Look at how good 911 worked. Americans are accepting the deaths of hundreds of their young men and women due to an unplanned :roll: catastophic event.

There is an opportunity for ranchers to work together for the interest of all ranchers, but Rcalf needs to change their idea on the border issue first. Cargill and Tyson are not going to change their ideas on the border boys, and your fight only feeds the advantage given to them by BSEconomics.
 
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Anonymous

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Our fight is not with the packer, our fight is in obtaining more of the consumers food dollar. Until you can understand that basic concept, you will continue to have your head up your.....in the sand.

The only new money to come into this industry will come from the consumer, not the packer.

If you think otherwise, start processing your own cattle. You'll be rich overnight. LOL!

"GET R' DONE"!


~SH~
 

rkaiser

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And Scott Huber will guarantee that ranchers will profit when consumers pay more for beef. :lol:

Canada is a prime example. Record prices for beef in you local grocery store while D1 cows are stolen by the packers.

Yip Scotty - we should all be out promoting beef all right.

Who are you trying to convince with your "get er done" BS Scotty. You know that I own in excess of 200 breeding females and have only sold a handful of cattle through the conventional marketplace in the past three years.

How are you "getting er done" Scotty? Do you sell gopher carcasses at your local farmers market?
 

Sandhusker

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You bet, Scotty. We should just join hands with the packers around the camp fire and sing Kumbaya. Everything they do clearly benefits us. :roll:
 
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