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IT'S BEEN ONE HELLUVA FIGHT

FIGHT ON OR GIVE UP ?

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Econ101

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SH:Quote:
Conman: "You don't know if they would reveal them or not if they were there."


Bullsh*t!

Nowhere have BSE prions been discovered in cattle under 24 months of age let alone 12 to 14 month old cattle to be shipped to Japan.

Secondly, Creekstone admitted that "BSE TESTING" does not mean "BSE FREE". "



SH, don't let the facts get in the way of your blatant lies. Anyone listening to you would benefit more from going to the circus and watching a circus chicken dance to learn truth about this industry.

Oh, on second thought, it is about the same.
 

RobertMac

Well-known member
SH, you misinterpret, twist, and misrepresent what I say and then want me to respond to you. I'll let the readers read my post and your response and make up their own minds. I'm not going to waste my time responding to you.
 

Tam

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RobertMac said:
Sandhusker said:
Yeah, RM, it is all our fault. When somebody tries to run a baseball bat up our rectum we should just shut up and take it.
No, we should ask for Vaseline!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Tam, Tyson and Cargill had you before R-CALF or BSE...open your eyes! They are taking advantage of you because they put themselves in the position to take advantage of BSE.
tell us how a company can put themself in a position to take advantage of an unknown disaster. How did they know the border would open after BSE was found here? If that border hadn't openned just how many packers do you think we would have needed if we were forced to down size our herd by pitting and shooting a good precentage of our herd?
You and most Canadian producers turned your backs on Canadian processors to make those American dollars and let those American companies sell Canadian beef as USA beef!
Tell us RM when was the last time you refused the highest bid on you cattle because it came from a foreign owned company. Can you honestly tell us if Tyson's bid was higher than their competition you would take the competitions bid just so you didn't have to deal with Tyson?

The border was closed because of long standing, successful USDA disease protocol. R-CALF wanted USDA to present the scientific evidence in a court of law to justify abandonment of that policy...for government to be held responsible to "THE PEOPLE"! The court said we have to trust USDA...trust the USDA that was allowing banned product in the USA when the border opened. Because Canada and the USA both have BSE is not a reason to lower standards and abandon proven policy...it's a time to raise standards and find answers. I do worry about USDA's handling of BSE testing...
Well I guess we can claim an effective feed ban if you can claim successful disease protocol now can't we. Or did you forget your protocol didn't stop BSE from being introduced to the US herd and I might add years before it was in Canada. :wink:

Canada's post feed ban cases makes me worry about the validity of the feed ban as THE control measure. The beef industry needs real definitive answers to the cause of BSE...is BSE linked to human vCJD?...has BSE been here all along and we have done something to cause an out break (England)? Returning to trade as usual is not finding answers! :mad:

Tell us RM are you demanding definitive answer to where the Alabama BSE came from or is this again something that you only demand of Canada? Threating trade sanction on countries that don't trust the answer you are willing to provide is not helping find the answers either so what have you done to stop your Congressmen?

Tam said:
So drought had nothing to do with the down sizing of the US herd?

I purpose all these pine trees growing in pastures that once had beef cattle is because of drought. :???: It amazes me how many people bad mouth the USA and then think they have a right to our prosperity! :mad:[/
What amazes me is how you can bad month Canada and then expect us to openning supply you with the things you NEED to survive, like water, power, fuel, lumber and BEEF. Drought is not the only reason for the down size of the US herd it is only ONE OF THE REASON. If you look at the import/export records for the last few years you will notice an alarming rate of growth in your imports and a equally alarming rate in the decline of exports. Proving you will soon be an importing country to cover your demands. Is that any fault of ours, No it is because of the Agriculture land base is shrinking in the US at a shocking rate due to urban dwellers needing land to build their vacation homes, recreation golf courses, and Highway to get from those rural homes and golf courses back to their city jobs. What they don't realize is for every acre they swollow up is one less to grow their food on. If they want to eat beef and there is no place left to grow that beef well the only thing to do is import. Blame us RM but take a look at the tends in the US and see what is really causeing the need for imports.
 

Tam

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rkaiser said:
Sandhusker wrote -
Those packers have you exactly where they want you, Tam, and you defend them till the sun comes up.

Read Tam's post again Sandhusker - and tell me how she is defending the packers this time. Your bias has shown through on this one. Tam is actually stepping out and admitting that Tyson and Cargill benefitted from the closed border and maybe still are. Can't you see that?

I have never said they didn't beneifit from the closed border. What I said was they only took advantage of the beneifits that the Border closure handed them, just like any other businessman would. To Blame them for taking advantage of something that was handed to them is wrong. If you want to blame someone blame the ones that prolonged that advantage Which was R-CALF and their stupid court case. The only way you have a right to blame them for taking advantage of the situation is if you yourself would not have if the tables were turned. I can not see one cattle producer going back to a packer after the packer paid top dollar for his cattle and offering to give the packer back some of the purchase price if the beef the packer sold lost money. And unless you are that kind you can not blame the packers for banking their profits to cover them the next time they over pay you for your cattle and loose money.

Yea Sandhusker how many US producers have gone back to Tyson's and Cargill's competition that have gone under and offered to repay some of those historical high cattle prices so they can stay viable and compete with Tyson and Cargill? Why is it OK for the US producers to take advantage of the situation handed them but Damn the packers if they do. :roll:
 

Sandhusker

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Tam, I'm not blaming the packers for making a buck while they could. That's the reason for their existance. I blame the USDA for putting everybody else at risk so the packers could make those bucks. The packers never should of had the opportunity for the salmon run.

I can sense you bristling at me saying the word "risk". Let me explain; When the USDA first formulated their BSE policy, they supposedly did their homework to see what the should do. They then adopted a zero-tolerance policy toward ANY BSE positive country. Now, doesn't a policy that strict imply a good deal of risk? Since we know nothing about BSE now that we didn't know when that policy was formulated, to say there is no risk or little risk in importing from Canada is to say the USDA completely dropped the ball when that policy was drawn up. We are now left with "Don't believe them then, but believe them now".
 

Tam

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Sandhusker said:
Tam, I'm not blaming the packers for making a buck while they could. That's the reason for their existance. I blame the USDA for putting everybody else at risk so the packers could make those bucks. The packers never should of had the opportunity for the salmon run.

I can sense you bristling at me saying the word "risk". Let me explain; When the USDA first formulated their BSE policy, they supposedly did their homework to see what the should do. They then adopted a zero-tolerance policy toward ANY BSE positive country. Now, doesn't a policy that strict imply a good deal of risk? Since we know nothing about BSE now that we didn't know when that policy was formulated, to say there is no risk or little risk in importing from Canada is to say the USDA completely dropped the ball when that policy was drawn up. We are now left with "Don't believe them then, but believe them now".

Since we know nothing about BSE now that we didn't know when that policy was formulated, WRONG we now know that the US had BSE within their herd for over a decade. Because of that fact there is no more of a risk in importing our cattle to be processed in your plants then there is in processing your undetected BSE in those same plants. You and Leo would like us all to believe that you have the safest beef in the world because of some magicial firewalls that only work on US beef but that is just not the reality of the issue. You had BSE and it could have been spread further than ours as it had more time to, and you had an feed ban with big loopholes that didn't exsist in the Canadian feed ban and your testing system to detect it was a joke. It is time you realize that if there is a risk from our beef that same if not bigger risk exsists with the US beef because of the holes in your system that have allowed BSE to spread undetected for more than a decade.
In light of this information if you and R-CALF weren't hypocrites you would be demanding the banning of beef from the US until definitive answers are known about the BSE within the US.
 

Murgen

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Now you are showing your true colors ECON.

Are you saying that RCALF voters are the only ones that count?

I always knew you were a card carrying member 8)
 

Econ101

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Mrs. Greg, you can vote for anything you like.

Murgen, when was the last time you offered to allow U.S. producers to vote in your cattle associations?

Producers on both sides are being used in this divide and conquer strategy.

The packers and their lackeys in govt. are going to do what they want to do with no input from this group. It is time to change the lackeys on both sides of the border.
 

Murgen

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Producers on both sides are being used in this divide and conquer strategy.

The only thing that has divided the producers of our two countries has been RCALF.

If what you say is true about the packers having market power and our associations and politicians being bought by the multi's then why are the producers of both countries not being brought closer together in this whole mess?

I get a kick out of RCALF hypocricy sometimes.

"the packers have too much market power, there's not enough competition"

"we don't want imports, there's too much competition!
 

Sandhusker

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Murgen, ""we don't want imports, there's too much competition!"

You're not related to Tam are you Murg? She's been known to manufacture R-CALF quotes as well.
 

Murgen

Well-known member
Look closely Sandhusker, I did not say they were RCALF quotes, those are my interpretations of official statements and their members statements.

Is RCALF against Canadian Imports?

Buck up and just admit it. RCALF was founded with trade issues in mind and they use food safety as a tool to get consumers onside, so they can lessen the amount of imports!

Well, I believe you got what you wished for, consumers worldwide have believed RCALF, to a certain extent!

I don't have a problem with patritism, just deception.

I know.... you're misunderstood!
 

Econ101

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Murgen said:
Mrs. Greg, you can vote for anything you like.

But your vote won't count unless it agrees with ECON's vote!

If you are in Canada, your vote counts in Canada with Canadian organizations.

If you are in the U.S., your vote counts in the U.S. with a U.S. organization.

Are you trying to push the "one world" thing here, Murgen?

Canadians have no option at this time but to follow what the USDA wants them to do so they can sell their excess production--even if that means policies that the packers are pushing.

Rcalf shouldn't set Canadian cattleman's agenda and Canadian cattlemen shouldn't set U.S. cattlemen's agenda.

It is as simple as that.

I hope that in the future some of these agendas will have a higher calling than the one being argued on this thread, but until Canadian producers are willing to stand up for less market concentration and domination by Tyson et al, the producers there will continue to fill the pockets of some very rich and powerful americans and the two organizations will fight. I don't think most Canadians will get their head while being under Tyson and Cargill's thumb. It is likely a losing strategy. But there is still hope.

Murgen, you have been lead around by a ring in your nose too long but I understand why. You just don't have to look like you enjoy the servicing that you are led to do.
 

HAY MAKER

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~SH~ said:
Our fight is not with the packer, our fight is in obtaining more of the consumers food dollar. Until you can understand that basic concept, you will continue to have your head up your.....in the sand.

The only new money to come into this industry will come from the consumer, not the packer.

If you think otherwise, start processing your own cattle. You'll be rich overnight. LOL!

"GET R' DONE"!


~SH~

TYpical packer response,packers are already rippin the consumer to the point of diminishing demand,same ole "BS" buy cheap sell high,the biggest factor in diminished comsuner demand is not rumors about BSE,its "greed" by the packing industry...............good luck
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Murgen said:
Look closely Sandhusker, I did not say they were RCALF quotes, those are my interpretations of official statements and their members statements.

Is RCALF against Canadian Imports?

Buck up and just admit it. RCALF was founded with trade issues in mind and they use food safety as a tool to get consumers onside, so they can lessen the amount of imports!

Well, I believe you got what you wished for, consumers worldwide have believed RCALF, to a certain extent!

I don't have a problem with patritism, just deception.

I know.... you're misunderstood!

Well, when you're talking about R-CALF and throwing around quotation marks.....

Yes, R-CALF was founded with trade issues in mind. However, those trades issues did NOT include shutting off imports. Dig around all month, you'll never find R-CALF calling for no imports. What you will find is a priority placed on COOL to label those imports. You'll find R-CALF questioning why we seem to always be trading with beef exporters instead of beef importers.
 

Econ101

Well-known member
HAY MAKER said:
~SH~ said:
Our fight is not with the packer, our fight is in obtaining more of the consumers food dollar. Until you can understand that basic concept, you will continue to have your head up your.....in the sand.

The only new money to come into this industry will come from the consumer, not the packer.

If you think otherwise, start processing your own cattle. You'll be rich overnight. LOL!

"GET R' DONE"!


~SH~

TYpical packer response,packers are already rippin the consumer to the point of diminishing demand,same ole "BS" buy cheap sell high,the biggest factor in diminished comsuner demand is not rumors about BSE,its "greed" by the packing industry...............good luck

I think Hanta Yo's (and my) experience with Walmart meat illustrates that to be the case.

Tyson has chicken and pork to sell if beef is messed up. Don't get me started on the "bacon" I bought that had the Tyson name on it.
 
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Sandbag: "You're not related to Tam are you Murg? She's been known to manufacture R-CALF quotes as well."

BRING THE MANUFACTURED QUOTE YOU LIAR!

Bring a quote that Tam has "manufactured".

Watch the dance..........

No Austin, the problem is that you R-CALF hypocrites can't accept the consequences of your actions towards Canadian live cattle and beef imports so you try to lie your way around it.

"well ah....gee ah....this has nothing to do with the Canadian producer it has to do with USDA policy...........ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzz!

IT HAS TO DO WITH CANADIAN IMPORTS!!!!

When will you be honest with yourselves and face the consequences of your hypocritical actions?

R-CALF SAID CANADIAN BEEF IS "HIGH RISK" DUE TO HAVING BSE IN THEIR NATIVE HERD.
R-CALF SAID WE HAVE THE SAFEST BEEF IN THE WORLD DUE TO OUR BSE PRECAUTIONARY MEASURES.
R-CALF SAID CANADIAN BEEF IS "CONTAMINATED"
R-CALF SAID USDA DOES NOT CARE ABOUT FOOD SAFETY.

WORDS MEAN THINGS!!!!

I'm glad you are seeing these deceptive dancing hypocrites for what they really are Murgen.



~SH~
 

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