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IT'S BEEN ONE HELLUVA FIGHT

FIGHT ON OR GIVE UP ?

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Bill

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Tam said:
Bill said:
Oldtimer said:
But how long are we supposed to believe Canadians left feed laying around in bins or feedstores :???: The last Canadian cow was born 3 years after the feedban was put in place...

R-CALF claimed they could prove in court that the Canadian feedban was being violated- but noone with USDA/NCBA/CFIA/CCA wanted to see that evidence presented in court and blocked it....That alone raises big questions in my mind...I'd like to see these people testifying under oath rather than issuing random PR press statements.......
I wonder when the last American pail bunter nibbled out of the chicken feeder?

Yesterday?

It's only aquestion of when the first post-feed ban positive is announced in the US Oldtimer.

But it will not matter just like their pre feed ban cases. When they are ours there was hell to pay and restrictions to adhere to but all those restrictions just melt away when it is the US herd. We were to identify, find and destroy all cattle and feed sources and still have to but the US doesn't have to because their cases were PRE FEED BAN nobody is interested in them. It is truly amazing how fast attitudes change in the US when it is their herd. There seems to be a complete different set of rules for the US to those everyone else is to live up to.
We have seen time and time again how Canada has been held to higher standards and this will continue. What is frustrating is that CCA, CBEF and CFIA still will not take the step and do anything which may set the bar higher for the US.

Until that happens Canada will continue to look over its shoulder and play the weaker sister.
 

Sandhusker

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Bill, "Risk is exactly the same in the US and Canada...."

Last I knew, the US had 2 cases of BSE in a herd of about 90 million. That comes to 1 case per 45 million head. Canada has had 6 cases in a herd of about 12 million. That is 1 case in every 2 million head. 45 is the same as 2?

I can't really compare post-ban cases as you have had 3 ( 1 every 4 million) and we are yet to find one.

I don't think you could ever get a job as a statistician or insurance underwriter. If you ever post an even-money bet on where the next case of BSE in N. America will be found, let me know ahead of time so I can take out a home equity note. :lol:
 

Bill

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Sandhusker said:
Bill, "Risk is exactly the same in the US and Canada...."

Last I knew, the US had 2 cases of BSE in a herd of about 90 million. That comes to 1 case per 45 million head. Canada has had 6 cases in a herd of about 12 million. That is 1 case in every 2 million head. 45 is the same as 2?

I can't really compare post-ban cases as you have had 3 ( 1 every 4 million) and we are yet to find one.

I don't think you could ever get a job as a statistician or insurance underwriter. If you ever post an even-money bet on where the next case of BSE in N. America will be found, let me know ahead of time so I can take out a home equity note. :lol:

Yada yada yada. A job as a banker would be my preference. It sure seems to allow a lot of free time.

Everyone knows the US has been caught covering up its cases. That makes your whole argument worthless.

How do you know you are yet to find one? You seem to mistrust your government agencies except when it fits your needs. :lol: :lol: :lol: Makes you a good R-Calfer I guess.
 

HAY MAKER

Well-known member
Tam said:
Bill said:
Oldtimer said:
But how long are we supposed to believe Canadians left feed laying around in bins or feedstores :???: The last Canadian cow was born 3 years after the feedban was put in place...

R-CALF claimed they could prove in court that the Canadian feedban was being violated- but noone with USDA/NCBA/CFIA/CCA wanted to see that evidence presented in court and blocked it....That alone raises big questions in my mind...I'd like to see these people testifying under oath rather than issuing random PR press statements.......
I wonder when the last American pail bunter nibbled out of the chicken feeder?

Yesterday?

It's only aquestion of when the first post-feed ban positive is announced in the US Oldtimer.

But it will not matter just like their pre feed ban cases. When they are ours there was hell to pay and restrictions to adhere to
but all those restrictions just melt away when it is the US herd.
We were to identify, find and destroy all cattle and feed sources and still have to but the US doesn't have to because their cases were PRE FEED BAN nobody is interested in them. It is truly amazing how fast attitudes change in the US when it is their herd. There seems to be a complete different set of rules for the US to those everyone else is to live up to.

Miss Tam how can you justify saying this,after all the restrictions that has been put on USA exports,I believe if you think about it you will agree,we have had plenty restrictions on our exports,and feed ban,its not the USA's fault you have had post feed ban "BSE"...............good luck
 

Murgen

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I can't really compare post-ban cases as you have had 3 ( 1 every 4 million) and we are yet to find one.

I'm confident that you will catch up. You did when it came to BSE cases, once you got your tests up to snuff. They were present when you were giving us grief under the guise of Food safety also.

Tell ya what, you RCALF boys fight hard for new legislation, Canada will already have it in place and then when you finally figure out what kind of real risk you have, let the rest of the world know. Maybe taking out an ad in the Washington post would help, I'll pay!
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Bill, "How do you know you are yet to find one? You seem to mistrust your government agencies except when it fits your needs. Makes you a good R-Calfer I guess."

And you say the USDA can't be trusted for testing, but yet you trust their judgment on border issues. Right back at ya, Bill.
 

Murgen

Well-known member
Sandhusker, in Bill's defense, he's been saying all along that he distrusts both USDA and RCALF, he's been right on both accounts.

He predicted the US had BSE, when the USDA closed the border, he was correct. And he said that RCALF would be caught in their own trap, he was correct.

The US's post feedban case will show up in the next six months.

Go RCALF!
 

Tam

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HAY MAKER said:
Tam said:
Bill said:
I wonder when the last American pail bunter nibbled out of the chicken feeder?

Yesterday?

It's only aquestion of when the first post-feed ban positive is announced in the US Oldtimer.

But it will not matter just like their pre feed ban cases. When they are ours there was hell to pay and restrictions to adhere to
but all those restrictions just melt away when it is the US herd.
We were to identify, find and destroy all cattle and feed sources and still have to but the US doesn't have to because their cases were PRE FEED BAN nobody is interested in them. It is truly amazing how fast attitudes change in the US when it is their herd. There seems to be a complete different set of rules for the US to those everyone else is to live up to.

Miss Tam how can you justify saying this,after all the restrictions that has been put on USA exports,I believe if you think about it you will agree,we have had plenty restrictions on our exports,and feed ban,its not the USA's fault you have had post ban "BSE"...............good luck


I can justify saying it because I see R-CALF promoting the Exporting of US beef even though none of the things they demand of Canada have happened in the US BSE POSITIVE cases.
Has the US found the birthplace of the Alabama cow?
Have you found the feed source that she ate from?
Have you found the herd mates that could have eaten from the same feed source?
Have you destroyed and tested them to see if any of the other are infected?
Have you made sure the mill that made that feed was and is compliance with the feed ban rules?
Have you done these same things in the case in Texas?

These are all things that R-CALF demanded we do on EVERY CANADIAN CASE if we wanted to export again!!!!!! But when you had your very own Pre feed ban positive you yourself said there was no interest in her as she was Pre Feed ban. There was all kinds of R-CALF interest when they were our Pre feed ban and demands were made.

They also wanted higher testing quotas to prove prevalence but what do you know the USDA announced a durastic drop in the testing the US will be doing right after they found they second case of Native BSE.

They demanded we tighten our firewalls but we all have heard how your WEAKER firewalls will save the US consumers from the risk of BSE.

You demand things Haymaker you will NEVER LIVE UP TO!!!!!!!!! Like ID ing every animal back to birthplace, when are you going to demand that Haymaker.

Haymaker do your restriction on your feed ban included CHICKEN CRAP, PLATE WASTE AND CONDEMNED PET FOOD?

By the Way when can we expect to see the US stop marketing beef from OTM cattle to their consumers. Dennis said there was no sense taking a chance if BSE was ever found in the US again. and that was months ago. :wink:
 

Tam

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
Bill, "Risk is exactly the same in the US and Canada...."

Last I knew, the US had 2 cases of BSE in a herd of about 90 million. That comes to 1 case per 45 million head. Canada has had 6 cases in a herd of about 12 million. That is 1 case in every 2 million head. 45 is the same as 2?

I can't really compare post-ban cases as you have had 3 ( 1 every 4 million) and we are yet to find one.

I don't think you could ever get a job as a statistician or insurance underwriter. If you ever post an even-money bet on where the next case of BSE in N. America will be found, let me know ahead of time so I can take out a home equity note. :lol:

Sandhusker if we, like you say, are the higher risk industry due to the number of positives we have, compared to the number you have admitted to why did Japan agree to take our beef under the same non 100% testing rules as they agreed to take yours? And if we are the higher risk why are we exporting non tested beef to Japan and you are not? By Japans actions I have to wonder who they really think is the higher risk of recieveing comtaminated beef from. Just maybe the thought of the US recalling comtaminated beef from their human food chain was enough to tilt the risk scale back in our favor. Add to that our ID system and results in all BSE investigations. I think if you look at the results you might, but I doubt it, see that you are at higher risk in the US as you have no idea where your BSE came from as you have no idea where the Alabama cow came into contact with it or how many other cattle were involved.
And if your numbers are right, we have exported millions of cattle to the US why have you only found one case in the millions of head down there. If you missed the additional Canadian cases how many US cases have you missed with your survelliance system? :wink:
 

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