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Japan opposition says no US beef imports by June

Mike

Well-known member
I will not go over the rest of your redundant verbage but you have obviously made another mistake in comprehension.

SH: It tells me that Yamada is unaware that Creekstone's test has not been approved by USDA and therefore is illegal.

The above article you speak of that gives you your "tell" was written recently, which means that "Creekstone's" test HAS been approved by the USDA for about two years now and has been in use by the USDA in their surveillance program.

:???: The "illegal" statement by the USDA was made in 2004, before the USDA had approved any rapid tests. (WB is not included in the "rapid" category although much faster than the IHC and mouse bioassay.)

The test would not be illegal now because of the USDA approval process. It would only be illegal because the USDA says so.

Nice try, but no cigar.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Mike,

If USDA has not approved Creekstone's bse test, how can it be legal?

If USDA has approved Creekstone's bse test, why is Creekstone suing USDA?

Hello? HELLO?


~SH~
 

Econ101

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
Mike,

If USDA has not approved Creekstone's bse test, how can it be legal?

If USDA has approved Creekstone's bse test, why is Creekstone suing USDA?

Hello? HELLO?


~SH~

SH, your feeble simple minded attempts at logic have failed you once again?

Perhaps you could take a lesson or two. I had a professor who once said about some of his students, "you are as dumb as you want to be."

I think you have a place in there somewhere.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
This is so funny! You guys keep trying to justify your consumer deception and every time you bring a new argument to the table, it contradicts a previous argument. LOL!

If Japan is now considering allowing Creekstone's bse tested beef, obviously they didn't before. LOL!

If Creekstone's test is the same test that USDA is using in their surveilance progam, that is the test that will not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age.

GREAT JOB GUYS!

You don't need me to contradict your arguments. Just remember what you said before. How R-CALF of you!


~SH~
 

Mike

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
Mike,

If USDA has not approved Creekstone's bse test, how can it be legal?

If USDA has approved Creekstone's bse test, why is Creekstone suing USDA?

Hello? HELLO?
~SH~

Hello to you also. The USDA is using the test now. They have not approved ANY tests for private use, only for their own.

Wake up! Creekstone is suing to be able use the test themselves!
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Nice Diversion again Conman!

Who cares what an anonymous liar like you thinks anyway?

Your lies are irrelevant.


~SH~
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Mike: "They have not approved ANY tests for private use, only for their own."

Hence, the reason it is illegal!

USDA is right to not approve a private BSE test for cattle under 24 months of age which would not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age.

I can't believe the lengths you USDA blamers will go to justify your Japanese consumer deception plan. How pathetic!


~SH~
 

Econ101

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
Mike: "They have not approved ANY tests for private use, only for their own."

Hence, the reason it is illegal!

USDA is right to not approve a private BSE test for cattle under 24 months of age which would not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age.

I can't believe the lengths you USDA blamers will go to justify your Japanese consumer deception plan. How pathetic!


~SH~

What does it say about a government agency that wants to keep safety tests in only their control? It is ripe for manipulation.

I will remind you that the studies on arsenic in poultry and in antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria in poultry were both found, not by the agency mandated with food safety (USDA), but independent studies by outside groups.

When we trust the government with knowing everything and always being right in their decisions and giving all deference to them, we stray away from reality and accountability and into totalitarianistic forms of government control. Presently corporations are benefiting from the USDA planned incompetence and all the regular people are suffering.

Agman says the economy is strong, yet polls for the president's policies and their consequences are down. Maybe the real measure of how well the country is doing is measured by how well the average person feels he is doing in the country instead of the measurements Agman uses. It is probably why the country's founding of one man one vote (except the notable slave vote) has served to make us the richest nation in the world.

Sometimes the measurements of wealth and propaganda of the status quo is just not true anymore, no matter how well their measurements of progress and well being have served us in the past.
 

Mike

Well-known member
Scott, open up your brain for a second. The following article says that the IDEXX test was approved by the USDA for use in the U.S.

But we both know that only USDA paid vets, lab technicians, and in USDA (or satellite) facilities can test any age animal they care to test.

How can it be logical for the USDA to restrict the private use of these tests in a USDA approved facility staffed with vets and lab technicians that studied and graduated from the same vet schools that the USDA paid vets went to?

IDEXX Laboratories Receives USDA Approval of BSE Postmortem Test [Trade]

WESTBROOK, Maine, March 18, 2004—IDEXX Laboratories, Inc. (NASDAQ: IDXX), today announced that it has received approval from the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) to produce and sell the IDEXX HerdChek® BSE Antigen Test Kit to USDA-approved laboratories. HerdChek, a rapid test for accurate postmortem detection of bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), detects the presence of the abnormal proteins believed to cause BSE.

The IDEXX HerdChek® BSE Antigen Test Kit utilizes the same Seprion technology as the previously approved IDEXX HerdChek® Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) Antigen Test Kit. HerdChek simplifies testing procedures compared to existing products on the market by eliminating complex protein digestion steps in the sample preparation process. This saves technician time and effort and reduces the potential for error. IDEXX has also submitted this test to the European Union (EU) for validation and approval.

Quentin Tonelli, PhD, Vice President, said "We are excited about the opportunity to offer our customers a more convenient and efficient method of BSE testing at a time when testing volumes are set to increase. This test, with simplified sample preparation, allows labs to choose either a manual version that requires little additional equipment or an automated version for high volume applications. Our experience last fall in applying this technology, licensed from MicroSens Biotechnologies, has shown us that our customers appreciate having accurate results in an easier-to-use testing format."

IDEXX Laboratories, Inc., is a worldwide leader in the development and commercialization of innovative, technology-based products and services for veterinary, food and water applications. The Company's largest business is focused on companion animal health, combining biotechnology, medical device technology and information technology to aid veterinarians in providing better medicine while building successful practices. IDEXX Laboratories' food and water businesses are focused on employing innovative technologies to monitor production animal health and the safety and quality of drinking water and milk. Headquartered in Westbrook, Maine, IDEXX Laboratories employs more than 2,400 people and offers products to customers in over 100 countries.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
The fact that Creekstone wants to deceive Japanese consumers into believing that "BSE TESTED" means "BSE FREE" is the very reason the government is involved.

Using your ridiculous logic, we would allow private companies to sell drugs not approved by the FDA. Same stupid logic!

GOSH, WHO IS FDA TO STAND IN THE WAY OF THE FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM????

Nothing justifies fraud! Not even consumers who believe "BSE TESTED" means "BSE FREE".


~SH~
 

Econ101

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
The fact that Creekstone wants to deceive Japanese consumers into believing that "BSE TESTED" means "BSE FREE" is the very reason the government is involved.

Using your ridiculous logic, we would allow private companies to sell drugs not approved by the FDA. Same stupid logic!

GOSH, WHO IS FDA TO STAND IN THE WAY OF THE FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM????

Nothing justifies fraud! Not even consumers who believe "BSE TESTED" means "BSE FREE".


~SH~

SH, if anyone doubts how much of an idiot you are reported to be, they have only to read the embellishment of your thought process on this board to see the the truth.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Who cares about the opinion of a liar like you Conman?

Your opinion is irrelevant because everyone knows you're a liar but the blamers will take a liar under their wing too as long as you tell them what they want to believe but can't prove.


~SH~
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
The fact that Creekstone wants to deceive Japanese consumers into believing that "BSE TESTED" means "BSE FREE" is the very reason the government is involved.

Using your ridiculous logic, we would allow private companies to sell drugs not approved by the FDA. Same stupid logic!

GOSH, WHO IS FDA TO STAND IN THE WAY OF THE FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM????

Nothing justifies fraud! Not even consumers who believe "BSE TESTED" means "BSE FREE".


~SH~

Did you forget posting Creekstone's Feilding stating plainly, "BSE tested does not mean BSE free"? With statements like that, Creekstone needs to take deception lessons!

The FDA is charged with regulating product for the US, not Japan. USDA doesn't realize the same applies to them.
 

Econ101

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
Who cares about the opinion of a liar like you Conman?

Your opinion is irrelevant because everyone knows you're a liar but the blamers will take a liar under their wing too as long as you tell them what they want to believe but can't prove.


~SH~

Prove one lie, SH.
 

Mike

Well-known member
Using your ridiculous logic, we would allow private companies to sell drugs not approved by the FDA.

Did you NOT read the article that said the IDEXX test had been APPROVED for use by the USDA?

Where is your logic?

IDEXX Laboratories Receives USDA Approval of BSE Postmortem Test

Have you come up with any proof yet that the tests WON"T detect prions in animals less than 24 months? I thought not.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
MIKE, YOUR POINT IS MOOT!

Whether or not the test has been approved by USDA FOR CATTLE OVER 30 MONTHS OF AGE does not justify it's use for testing cattle UNDER 24 MONTHS OF AGE FOR JAPAN.

OPEN YOUR MIND!

Until you can prove that Creekstone's test will expose bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age, YOU ARE STILL TRYING TO JUSTIFY DECEPTION.


Sandbag: "Did you forget posting Creekstone's Feilding stating plainly, "BSE tested does not mean BSE free"? With statements like that, Creekstone needs to take deception lessons!"

More deception from you!

Fielding only admitted "BSE TESTED" does not mean "BSE FREE" when cornered about their companies plans to deceive Japanese consumers.

FIELDING DIDN'T ADMIT "BSE TESTED DOES NOT MEAN BSE FREE" TO THE JAPANESE CONSUMER NOR DID HE PLAN TO PLACE "BSE TESTED BUT NOT GUARANTEED BSE FREE" PLACARDS ON CREEKSTONE'S BEEF.

WHAT'S YOUR NEXT FEEBLE DECEPTIVE SPIN EFFORT GOING TO BE SANDCHESKA?????

You can't win this argument unless you are willing to admit to having no problem deceiving Japanese consumsers or you can prove that Creekstone's test will reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age. ONE OR THE OTHER! You can't dance around the facts forever.


~SH~
 

Mike

Well-known member
SH:Until you can prove that Creekstone's test will expose bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age, YOU ARE STILL TRYING TO JUSTIFY DECEPTION.

Until you can prove that they won't you're still lying!
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Mike: "Until you can prove that they won't you're still lying!"

The justification to approve Creekstone's test is to prove that Creekstone's test will detect bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age NOT FOR USDA TO PROVE THAT THEY WON'T.

What a ridiculous argument.

That's like the judicial system saying, "PROVE THAT YOU'RE NOT GUILTY".

The burden of proof is on Creekstone to prove that their tests will detect bse prions if they are present not for USDA to prove that they won't.

Another desperate attempt at justifying consumer deception. Meanwhile Japan takes our beef without testing. I swear, you guys will argue over nothing for days just so you have something to bitch about.



~SH~
 

Mike

Well-known member
That's like the judicial system saying, "PROVE THAT YOU'RE NOT GUILTY".

But isn't that what the judicial system does when they allow a defense argument?

I'm sincerely worried about you son. Have you taken to the gin too?
 

fedup2

Well-known member
As far as bringing facts to the table sh, I challenge you to do the same. Your last zillion posts all say the same thing. “BSE testing means bse free yada-yada- illusion-deception” I have yet to see you bring one ounce of proof to support anything. I know your standard answer to every article, news story, or argument before I glance at your posts. Moot point-diversion-red herring! Like a child with his hands over his ears saying neenerneener! Look at your posts! You use these words in everyone! That is because you have nothing else SH! You have got nothing!

SH: [“It's obvious you'd rather be lied to by Conman and deceived by little Sandcheska than deal with someone who is intollerant of those lies and that deception and actually presents the facts on the issues“.]

I will try to explain this to you in a way that even you can understand.
Have you ever been in a room with one fly in it? No matter how big the room, the constant buzzing of that little fly starts to annoy you. When it gets to close to you, you instinctively swat at it. Now, you know that fly isn’t tough enough or smart enough to hurt you, but it gets damn annoying after awhile.
You have nothing personal against that fly other than the fact that it is annoying.
Please don’t take my posts personal SH. I give you no more thought than that fly!
And for the same reasons.
 

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