Japan Responds to Creekstones Lawsuit

[Econ101]

Excuse me, a lying fool.

Agman your "superior" information claims have all been flushed down the drain.

 

[Anonymous]

Conman you got nothing here, Again!

If Japan would have demanded tested beef, WHY DID THEY ACCEPT BEEF WITHOUT TESTING???? Hmmmm????

Once again, the obvious is too obvious for an idiot like you.

JAPAN'S ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN THEIR WORDS!

Conman: "If you remove the SRM on under 20 month cattle, does that mean they are bse free?"

If you use a test that will not reveal BSE prions in cattle under 20 months of age ON CATTLE UNDER 20 MONTHS OF AGE, does that mean they are BSE free???

Sandbag: "Any strategy that concentrates on placing beef in the stores and not the homes is misguided, and that is the strategy the USDA has taken and Agman supports."

Hahaha! What a stupid statement!

How are you going to get beef to the consumers if you don't first get it into the stores?????

Blamers are so brilliant!


~SH~

 

[Econ101]

Conman you got nothing here, Again!

If Japan would have demanded tested beef, WHY DID THEY ACCEPT BEEF WITHOUT TESTING???? Hmmmm????

Once again, the obvious is too obvious for an idiot like you.

JAPAN'S ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN THEIR WORDS!

Conman: "If you remove the SRM on under 20 month cattle, does that mean they are bse free?"

If you use a test that will not reveal BSE prions in cattle under 20 months of age ON CATTLE UNDER 20 MONTHS OF AGE, does that mean they are BSE free???

Sandbag: "Any strategy that concentrates on placing beef in the stores and not the homes is misguided, and that is the strategy the USDA has taken and Agman supports."

Hahaha! What a stupid statement!

How are you going to get beef to the consumers if you don't first get it into the stores?????

Blamers are so brilliant!


~SH~

You really do get worked up there, don't you SH? If you want all the answers you seek, maybe you should listen instead of talking so much.

 

[Econ101]

Agman, I heard that when you have to eat crow, if you will put a little steak drippings on it, it seems to be easier to swallow.

 

[agman]

Agman, "I believe the point of the discussion is that at no time did Japan demand that we test all beef. Nor did they ever say they would accept tested beef."

The article you posted doesn't support that comment.

Let me point out once again that getting beef in Japanese stores is not the end goal - getting beef in Japanese homes is. Any strategy that concentrates on placing beef in the stores and not the homes is misguided, and that is the strategy the USDA has taken and Agman supports. Everything we have seen from the consumers alludes to no trust in our product. Consumer confidence is our battle, simply putting our product in front of them does not address this. Testing is the single largest tool we could use to regain that confidence and spur some actual sales.

Let packers test, and let the consumer decide. Isn't that how business in a free enterprise system is supposed to work? Where do these liberal ideas of government controlling product availability come from?

I don't support testing when there is no science supporting such a test. I don't believe (not absolutely certain) the government of Japan requires blanket testing anymore although the individual provinces will maintain testing until their government funding is depleted. That time period is approximately one more year. I am not at all concerned as to whether Japanese consumers will buy U.S. untested beef-they will. I am more concerned if the price of our beef is not competitive as a result of unnecessary added costs of testing.

The issue is much broader than you make it. In real terms their action is a non-tariff trade barrier. That is the new battle ground for international trade. That is not a battle I chose to lose nor should you.

 

[rkaiser]

Good to hear an opinionated post from you like this Agman. I guess that is as close as we will get to admitting that your original post is non factual.

Have to laugh at this non tarriff trade barrier stuff that you are afraid of. Should Canad be afraid of the outrageous non tariff trade barriers that the USA ( a Nafta partner and BSE country) is holding over Canada's head?

What are your fears of cost based on Agamn? Cargills numbers or bse- testers numbers?

I know, I know ---- Whatever you say rkaiser.

 

[Sandhusker]

Agman, "I don't support testing when there is no science supporting such a test."

There is no science that supports organic product. Do you support that? What about hormone free?

Agman, " I am not at all concerned as to whether Japanese consumers will buy U.S. untested beef-they will. "

Poll after poll after poll show the opposite. Ashai Sinbum (sp) says the Japanese consumer doesn't think we test enough, don't trust our safety procedures, and think their government was bullied into accepting untested beef. You need to wake up and smell the coffee.

Agman, "I am more concerned if the price of our beef is not competitive as a result of unnecessary added costs of testing."

We've already left how many BILLIONS on the table that we'll NEVER see? Good grief.

Agman, "The issue is much broader than you make it. In real terms their action is a non-tariff trade barrier."

How can it be a trade barrier when the same is required of their domestic producers?

 

[Anonymous]

Sandbag: "There is no science that supports organic product. Do you support that? What about hormone free?"

Stupid apples to watermelons comparisons. Science won't apply where it doesn't apply. Hormone free is what it is, hormone free. No science required other than proving that it's hormone free. Same dumb argument you keep throwing against the wall hoping that someday it will actually have relevance.

Sandbag: "Poll after poll after poll show the opposite. Ashai Sinbum (sp) says the Japanese consumer doesn't think we test enough, don't trust our safety procedures, and think their government was bullied into accepting untested beef."

The fact that we exported beef to Japan without testing trumps any biased "OPINION" poll.

Take that same opinion poll after Japanese consumers find out that BSE prions wouldn't be revealed in cattle under 24 months of age with Creekstone's test even if they were there. TAKE THAT POLL. Nah, that would be too honest for a decpetive individual like you.

Sandbag: "We've already left how many BILLIONS on the table that we'll NEVER see? Good grief."

Pure specuation. Nowhere did anyone provide proof that the Japanese government approved tested beef for importation. Talk is not proof! What Japan did proove is that they were willing to accept U.S. beef without testing until some east coast packer screwed that up by not abiding to our agreement.

Funny how you keep arguing that Japan wants tested beef WHEN THEY TOOK UNTESTED BEEF. Typical of your usual ignorance.


~SH~

 

[RobertMac]

I don't support testing when there is no science supporting such a test.

Testing is to rebuild consumer confidence in our product and open markets. Most consumers aren't cattlemen or scientist, so to say we won't test, tells them we have something to hide. Testing will give a data base to show the consumers that "sound science" is sound!

I am more concerned if the price of our beef is not competitive as a result of unnecessary added costs of testing.

You can't compete unless you can get into a market.

The issue is much broader than you make it. In real terms their action is a non-tariff trade barrier. That is the new battle ground for international trade. That is not a battle I chose to lose nor should you.

USDA requires equivalency to FSIS regulations to import products to the USA...is that a non-tariff trade barrier?

 

[Sandhusker]

RM, "USDA requires equivalency to FSIS regulations to import products to the USA...is that a non-tariff trade barrier?"

Very good point, Robert. The USDA demands other countries match our domestic requirements, but when Japan does the exact same, it is a trade barrier. The AMI and their parrots must think nobody can think for themselves.

 

[agman]

I don't support testing when there is no science supporting such a test.

Testing is to rebuild consumer confidence in our product and open markets. Most consumers aren't cattlemen or scientist, so to say we won't test, tells them we have something to hide. Testing will give a data base to show the consumers that "sound science" is sound!

I am more concerned if the price of our beef is not competitive as a result of unnecessary added costs of testing.

You can't compete unless you can get into a market.

The issue is much broader than you make it. In real terms their action is a non-tariff trade barrier. That is the new battle ground for international trade. That is not a battle I chose to lose nor should you.

USDA requires equivalency to FSIS regulations to import products to the USA...is that a non-tariff trade barrier?

You are partially right on point number 1. Most consumers and cattlemen aren't scientist that is precisely why these decision should be left up to those who are qualified. I guess that excludes you and I.

On point number 2 you seen to dismiss the fact that even if your product is in the market if it is overpriced it will not sell. Are you not the one who fears South American production due to their lower cost and price to the consumer? Why the change of heart?

On point number 3 please list any aspect of our inspection standards that is in conflict with OIE standards? The reality is you are attempting to compare apples to oranges and you know it.