Japan to ease all-cow mad cow testing

[Anonymous]

Sandman: "We've got a dept. of Agriculture that works for the AMI."

Sure, that would explain why AMI filed suit against USDA to allow the importation of slaughter cattle.

YUP, SHOR NUFF GOT ME THAR!

Sandman: "They arbitrarily reverse policy, they can't follow or enforce their own rules, they make rulings contrary to their own previous precident."

Policy must change to consider the precautionary measures that have been taken or you can kiss Japan goodbye for 7 years. Don't throw that testing bullsh*t out there again like an old shoe, you have offered no proof that was even an option. Just lip service!

Sandman: "R-CALF is the only outfit who is doing anything about it."

R-CULT hasn't done anything about anything except stab Canadian producers in the back to stop Canadian imports. Nobody's fooled Sandman!

R-CULT is tracking themselves around in the snow wondering how they can cover their lies. I fully expect them to tell the U.S. cattle produces what the meaning of the word is, is.




~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

SH, "Good point! Here these USDA blamers like OT and Sandman are accusing USDA of "intentional fraud" by hiding foreign beef behind a "USDA INSPECTED" stamp yet they support legitimate fraud by selling the perception of BSE safety through BSE testing of cattle younger than 24 months of age. "

Lets you and I visit the meat case in Suburbia, USA and poll shoppers on what they think that stamp is all about. For every correct answer, I give you $10. You do the same for me on every incrrect answer.

SH, "Yes I have faith in USDA. That's why USDA would not allow BSE testing of cattle less than 24 months of age for exporting. They saw it as "false advertising" and would not allow it. "

That, SH, is bull%^$# and you know it. Do I need to post the exact quote from their decision? Better yet, you do it and please highlight the part where they mention false advertising. :roll:

 

[Tam]

Is this not another accusation That the Accuser Sandhusker should have to prove.

That, SH, is bull%^$# and you know it. Do I need to post the exact quote from their decision? Better yet, you do it and please highlight the part where they mention false advertising.

 

[Anonymous]

We've already been here Sandman, numerous times.

USDA does not have to use the words "FALSE ADVERTISING" for BSE testing of cattle less than 24 months of age to be "FALSE ADVERTISING".

"BSE tested" implies "BSE FREE", that is "FALSE ADVERTISING".

If "BSE TESTED" did not imply "BSE FREE" THERE WOULD BE NO REASON TO TEST!!!!!

You support this action because you are a deceptive person!


~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

SH, "USDA does not have to use the words "FALSE ADVERTISING" for BSE testing of cattle less than 24 months of age to be "FALSE ADVERTISING".

They do if you claim that is a reason they denied testing! Face it, this "false advertising" laugher is your creation, not the USDA's.

SH, ""BSE tested" implies "BSE FREE", that is "FALSE ADVERTISING"."

No, "BSE tested" means exactly what is says.

I see a few outfits advertising Angus beef. Aren't they implying that Angus is better than other beef? I see a few advertising grass fed beef. Aren't they implying grass fed is better? With your half-thought-out rationale, one of them has to be false advertising.

SH, "You support this action because you are a deceptive person!"

No, I support this position because I am a businessman who understands the first rule in business; give the customer what they want. You might want to stick to clubbing varmits.

 

[Tam]

SH, "You support this action because you are a deceptive person!"

No, I support this position because I am a businessman who understands the first rule in business; give the customer what they want. You might want to stick to clubbing varmits.

What the customer wants is BSE FREE BEEF Since the average US consumer doesn't know the test will not work on younger animals, when they see that the meat is BSE tested they assume it is BSE free why else would it be in the meat counter. But Sandhusker you know that as well as any of us the TEST PROVES NOTHING WHEN USED ON YOUNGER CATTLE. So are you not decieving the average consumer into a false sense of security by labeling it BSE tested. And don't you care about the false assumption araising out of the BSE Tested label. You and R-CALF seem to care very much about the false assumptions araising from the USDA INSPECTED LABEL. :roll: Why is one a fraud IE the USDA inspected label which means the meat was inspected and passed the US safety standards and is safe no matter where it orginiated, but the other ie Tested label which means it was tested but there is still a slight chance the meat is not BSE free. is not a fraud? Is this like US beef is safe while Canadian beef is a genuine risk of death because R-CALF SAYS SO. :x Decieving the consumer is fine when it beneifits you but only when it beneifits you right Sandhusker. :wink:

 

[Sandhusker]

SH, "You support this action because you are a deceptive person!"

No, I support this position because I am a businessman who understands the first rule in business; give the customer what they want. You might want to stick to clubbing varmits.

What the customer wants is BSE FREE BEEF Since the average US consumer doesn't know the test will not work on younger animals, when they see that the meat is BSE tested they assume it is BSE free why else would it be in the meat counter. But Sandhusker you know that as well as any of us the TEST PROVES NOTHING WHEN USED ON YOUNGER CATTLE. So are you not decieving the average consumer into a false sense of security by labeling it BSE tested. And don't you care about the false assumption araising out of the BSE Tested label. You and R-CALF seem to care very much about the false assumptions araising from the USDA INSPECTED LABEL. :roll: Why is one a fraud IE the USDA inspected label which means the meat was inspected and passed the US safety standards and is safe no matter where it orginiated, but the other ie Tested label which means it was tested but there is still a slight chance the meat is not BSE free. is not a fraud? Is this like US beef is safe while Canadian beef is a genuine risk of death because R-CALF SAYS SO. :x Decieving the consumer is fine when it beneifits you but only when it beneifits you right Sandhusker. :wink:

Tam, it's the JAPANESE who have the LAW that beef be tested. Why is that so hard to understand? :roll: Take your deception arguement to the Japanese Government, they wrote the law! :? Take your deception arguement to the Japanese people, they're the ones who asked for the dang thing! :x How the heck can we be deceiving them when IT WAS THEIR DANG IDEA? Is common sense such a precious commodity that it's rationed?

 

[Tam]

it's the JAPANESE who have the LAW that beef be tested.

HAD THE LAW Sandhusker Didn't you read the post that started this thread?

The Health, Labor and Welfare Ministry revised a bylaw Friday to ease Japan's blanket testing of cows for mad cow disease starting Aug.1 ministry offical said.

they wrote the law!

They also revised the law to reflect the modern day science that proves testing under aged animals proves nothing. Just like the USDA revised the US laws to reflect the results that our precautionary measure we have in place has minimized the risk of BSE. But their are those in both countries that choose to ignor the science based results and demand their governments stand steadfast on the old science. :roll:

How the heck can we be deceiving them when IT WAS THEIR DANG IDEA?

Again the average consumer doesn't understand the test proves nothing in under aged animals and you would rather decieve the Japanese consumer by playing into their insecurities about the safety of beef just so you can sell to them instead of explaining the base for their government revising their rules. If the US consumers asked for it would you also decieve them? "testing them all" is a market tool and the preception of safe beef is what you are selling as that is all the test provides is a preception.
You are demanding the government implement and pay for the M'COOL label to clear up the fraud R-CALF says the USDA has been perpetrating on the US consumers with their USDA INSPECTED label. If someone assumes the inspect label means US beef the only thing that does is maybe a small amount of consumers will be buying safe imported beef instead of buying US beef. No harm done except you aren't suppling that small amount of beef so the money isn't going into your pockets. Unlike the label you support that will perpetrating an even bigger fraud, by letting the consumer in Japan and the US assume BSE tested beef means BSE free. But that is OK as long as you sell beef and the money goes into your pocket right Sandhusker?
Again what happens to the part of the carcass that you test for Japan that Japan doesn't take, Will it not be labeled BSE tested and sold to the US consumers as BSE TESTED BEEF?

Warning to all Sandhusker is a business man that will sell you what ever you think you are buying even if it is not what you think it is. So read all labels and make sure he explains the true meaning of them before you sign on the bottom line. As you may get it home and find out you assumed wrong and it is to late for a refund. :x

 

[Beefman]

Sandhusker: (to SH): "You might want to stick to clubbing varmits."

You're inviting SH to start clubbing varmits?

I smell trouble. Got your Herbie Husker hard hat handy?

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[Tam]

Sandhusker: (to SH): "You might want to stick to clubbing varmits."

You're inviting SH to start clubbing varmits?

I smell trouble. Got your Herbie Husker hard hat handy?

Beefman[/img]

Maybe SH could start in Nebraska then move on to Texas although I hear Haymaker doesn't live there anymore as he moved to Mexico so he could still say he lives in a BSE free country. Then he could stop by Montana for the big finale He should be their until the snow flies. :lol2: :lol2:

 

[Sandhusker]

Tam, the EU demands hormone free beef. The USDA allows US suppliers to meet that demand (where is their "sound science" requirement there?) Is the USDA deceiving the European consumer by playing into their insecurities about the safety of beef just so we can sell to them?

Should we explain science to them? Is it our job to give science lessons to the consumers of the world?

 

[Mike]

1. Japan to ease all-cow mad cow testing Aug.1 (Kyodo 07/01/2005)

The Health, Labor and Welfare Ministry revised a bylaw Friday to ease Japan's blanket testing of cows for mad cow disease starting Aug. 1, ministry official said.

The change in the bylaw under a special law on measures on mad cow disease will set out a new standard requiring testing only slaughtered cattle over 20 months of age for the brain-wasting disease, formally known as bovine spongiform encephalopathy.

The standard will be eased in line with a proposal made in May by the Food Safety Commission of the Cabinet Office calling on the government to ease the blanket testing.

The panel endorsed an expert task force recommendation in March that cattle slaughtered at 20 months of age or younger be excluded from tests for mad cow disease, saying even if young cattle are excluded from the test, ''a resultant increase in BSE risks in meats will be extremely low.''

Japan banned imports of Canadian beef in May 2003 and of U.S. beef in December 2003 after the discovery of the first cases of the disease in the two countries.

After finding its own first case of mad cow disease in September 2001, Japan began testing all domestically slaughtered cows before their meat entered the market. It required foreign-raised cattle bound for Japan to be similarly tested.

A year later..................They are still testing................

The A40 crap that the USDA threw at the Japs didn't work.........