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Murgen

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Did you read the report? They were presented with the possibilty of it back in 1988.

And no, you won't know for sure, unless you test for it. But if there is the possibilty, then you shouldn't keep doing as you're doing without first investigating a little.
 

Sandhusker

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Murgen said:
Did you read the report? They were presented with the possibilty of it back in 1988.

And no, you won't know for sure, unless you test for it. But if there is the possibilty, then you shouldn't keep doing as you're doing without first investigating a little.

If you say we won't know for sure unless we test, why do you say we knew we had it?

You said earlier that you thought we were wrong to institute the policy because we knew we had BSE. Now you're backed down to we wouldn't know unless we tested for it, so we actually didn't know. Do you want to answer the question again?
 

Murgen

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you may not have known as producers, but the rest of the world was correct in their assumptions that it was being hid by the USDA. Why were we so sure as Canadians, that it was present in the US?

The word "you" can include a small or large group of individuals.

The extent of the BSE cases will not be general knowledge until blanket testing is performed. Test away!

Make sure they sell you a test that actually works this time! Send it to a lab with the capabilty to test for the Atypical strain this time. What was the turnaround time on those tests anyway? How many of that type have been missed?

OT, have you ever thought that the South Koreans don't want US meat on the same line as Canadian, cause they are confident the US will screw up again, and they don't trust it not to be blamed on Canadian meat.

How can they not be confident of further screw-ups by the USDA? Heck everybody is confident of that.
 
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Murgen said:
OT, have you ever thought that the South Koreans don't want US meat on the same line as Canadian, cause they are confident the US will screw up again, and they don't trust it not to be blamed on Canadian meat.

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Murgen- Do you also still believe in Tinkerbell and the Tooth fairy :???: :wink: :lol:
 

Murgen

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OT, do you think the USDA are doing their jobs?

Do you think anybody should trust the inspections and testing they do?

No need to answer, you've already told us you don't.

So what country in their right mind would believe in the USDA?

As we Canadians predicted, Japan opened at the roughly the same time for Canada as it did for the US, and I predict it will for South Korea also.

So the South Koreans will negotiate a deal that enables them to segregate product from each country, in the case of another screw-up. Some Canadian plants have already been approved for S. Korea. (separate lines for OTM and Under)

Which country's regulatory body has the better record of screwing up, and hiding the fact after?
 
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Murgen said:
OT, do you think the USDA are doing their jobs?

Do you think anybody should trust the inspections and testing they do?

No need to answer, you've already told us you don't.

So what country in their right mind would believe in the USDA?

As we Canadians predicted, Japan opened at the roughly the same time for Canada as it did for the US, and I predict it will for South Korea also.

So the South Koreans will negotiate a deal that enables them to segregate product from each country, in the case of another screw-up. Some Canadian plants have already been approved for S. Korea. (separate lines for OTM and Under)

Which country's regulatory body has the better record of screwing up, and hiding the fact after?

Well I don't think S. Korea has time or the wishes to worry about the interests of Canadians and Canadian producers- and whether you get falsely accused :roll: ....

I will agree that they want country of origin labeled beef, just like most countries of the world do anymore...

As far as Canada being opened up the same time as the US- could be- because the USDA has held out that requirement in the negotiations- all at the detriment to the US producer, so Canadian producers can again shirttail on the US cattle industy again :( .....I was told sometime ago that the Japanese export market would have been open to US cattle long before it was if the USDA hadn't held out to tie in Canadian cattle too....

As far as agencies- USDA has been terrible- but on the otherhand CFIA has been inadequate on coming up with any answers on where the feedban violations came about and why half the Canadian BSE cattle are POST feedban second or third generation.....
 

Murgen

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I was told sometime ago that the Japanese export market would have been open to US cattle long before it was if the USDA hadn't held out to tie in Canadian cattle too....

I'm sure if you check hard enough, Canada did their own negotiating with Japan, that's why we have a different agreement with them on allowable bone fragments.
 

Sandhusker

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Murgen said:
If you say we won't know for sure unless we test, why do you say we knew we had it?

Read the report, and see if your answer is in there.

I read the report. If it says anything there about the USDA knowing we might have atypical, typical, or ANY BSE, I didn't see it and would appreciate it if you provided it.
 

Sandhusker

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Murgen said:
Did they know they had a case when they put it on the shelf for 7 months?

You're kind of wandering, Murgen. I thought we were talking about you thinking we were wrong to institute a zero-tolerance policy on importing from BSE positive countries because we knew we had atypical BSE. You not only haven't shown me yet that we knew we had it, you seem to want to talk about something else.

Do you think the USDA really knew we had atypical BSE here?
 

don

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sandhusker: Do you think the USDA really knew we had atypical BSE here?

i sure do. don't you honestly think usda knew and tried to contain the knowledge for as long as they could? every other country with bse probably did, too. we know the brits and japan did. i don't think cfia and ag canada would be completely clean either. if they didn't know before it became public they were stupid and incompetent. experience around the world should have made it obvious.
 

Murgen

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Epidemiologic investigation of a new incidence of
transmissible mink encephalopathy (TME) in Stetsonville, Wisconsin
suggests that the disease may have resulted from feeding infected
cattle to mink. This observation is supported by the transmission of
a TME-like disease to experimentally inoculated cattle, and by the
recent report of a new bovine spongiform encephalopathy in
England.


These studies were supported by the College of Agricultural and Life Sciences, University of Wisconsin-Madison and by a grant (85-CRCR-1-1812) from the United States Department of Agriculture. The authors also wish to acknowledge the help and
encouragement of Robert Hanson who died during the course of these
investigations.

The "85' stands for 1985, am I wrong to assume they were funding research on atypical back in 1985, did they know of the possibility or excistence? You be the judge.
 

Sandhusker

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I still don't see any proof the USDA knew we had BSE. I see the words "suggest" and "may". I see a grant from the USDA - the USDA makes a lot of research grants. Nothing has been presented that would show the USDA KNEW a dang thing.

I don't know of too many people on this board who have been more critical of the USDA than me, but I can't hang them on this one. I think some of you are trying to make facts based on opinion instead of the other way around.
 

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