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Mike

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Japan Confirms 26th Case Of `Mad Cow' Disease

TOKYO (AP)--Japan confirmed its 26th case of "mad cow" disease in a 5-year and 8-month-old Holstein, the agriculture ministry said Saturday, according to Japan's Kyodo news agency. Meat inspectors in Hokkaido prefecture (state) in northern Japan found Thursday that a dairy cow tested positive for the disease, the ministry said in a statement.

A panel of Agricultural Ministry experts confirmed the infection Saturday, according to ministry official Akiko Suzuki. Japan, which conducts mad cow tests on all cattle killed for meat, has confirmed 26 cases since 2001.
 
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Maple Leaf Angus said:
Econ101 said:
Is it the milk replacer? What is the common thread here?

Well obviously their feed ban is not very effective . . . :roll:

Right, ot and sandbluster?

I don't think they even had one until a couple years ago- so it definitely wasn't very effective :wink: .....
 

Mike

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Oldtimer said:
Maple Leaf Angus said:
Econ101 said:
Is it the milk replacer? What is the common thread here?

Well obviously their feed ban is not very effective . . . :roll:

Right, ot and sandbluster?

I don't think they even had one until a couple years ago- so it definitely wasn't very effective :wink: .....

Feed bans are only effective in controlling the amplification of BSE. Spontaneous cases are happening as we speak. Until the science gets a handle on the cause of spontaneous cases we will never rid cattle of it.

Problem is the spontaneous/sporadic cases are not identifiable from the foodborne cases.
 

flounder

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> Spontaneous cases are happening as we speak.


spontaneous TSE in any species has never been proven! THIS, is fact.
ask any scientist out there. they cannot and have never proven this theory in the field. IN fact, USDA does not even support this theory.
it would mean 100% testing would be the only way, if spontaneous was true, but is not. Spontaneous/sporadic simply mean unknown route and source.
 

Econ101

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flounder said:
> Spontaneous cases are happening as we speak.


spontaneous TSE in any species has never been proven! THIS, is fact.
ask any scientist out there. they cannot and have never proven this theory in the field. IN fact, USDA does not even support this theory.
it would mean 100% testing would be the only way, if spontaneous was true, but is not. Spontaneous/sporadic simply mean unknown route and source.

I guess that would include the Alabama cow.
 

Brad S

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Japan has only recently gotten serious and honest about their feedban. They were caught faking control and that is why they had to go to the bogus 100% testing.
 

Econ101

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Brad S said:
Japan has only recently gotten serious and honest about their feedban. They were caught faking control and that is why they had to go to the bogus 100% testing.

What is different with US?
 

Mike

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flounder said:
> Spontaneous cases are happening as we speak.


spontaneous TSE in any species has never been proven! THIS, is fact.
ask any scientist out there. they cannot and have never proven this theory in the field. IN fact, USDA does not even support this theory.
it would mean 100% testing would be the only way, if spontaneous was true, but is not. Spontaneous/sporadic simply mean unknown route and source.

Like I said. Spontaneous cases are happening as we speak.
 

RoperAB

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Mike said:
flounder said:
> Spontaneous cases are happening as we speak.


spontaneous TSE in any species has never been proven! THIS, is fact.
ask any scientist out there. they cannot and have never proven this theory in the field. IN fact, USDA does not even support this theory.
it would mean 100% testing would be the only way, if spontaneous was true, but is not. Spontaneous/sporadic simply mean unknown route and source.

Like I said. Spontaneous cases are happening as we speak.

On the Rutherford radio show a couple of years ago they had an expert from the UK saying the same thing.
 

Brad S

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Husker, you'd have to agree that the Canadian feedban is at worst effective but imperfect. Much as our USDA, effective to a statistical suriety yet imperfect. The hide and seek the Japs were playing was intentional and criminal.
 

Mike

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reader (the Second) said:
Mike -

The more we learn from research, the more it appears that TSEs spread through means of transmission we overlooked. Thus, I believe that the majority of cases are transmitted, not spontaneous.

With sheep and deer/elk, this seems to be demonstrable. I think it is a matter of time until we understand better the various ways it transmits among cattle -- certainly maternal transmission is one.

There may be SOME spontaneous cases, I won't argue that, but not the majority of cases.

Among people with CJD, it's again only a matter of time until it's recognized that surgical instruments, tissue and blood, and probably other iatrogenic means are causing the majority of cases.

Clearly since a mutation can occur that is inherited, there is another mechanism and justifies some % being held up as spontaneous. In humans, familial is 10 - 15 % of the total cases of CJD...

I not going to argue the definition of "spontaneous". But it is in itself just a way to say that they came from an unknown infective source. Agreed?

Until they find the source of the unknown origins, we will never be rid of the affliction, because they will keep perpetuating the known sources of origin.

These prions did not just pop up over night. I believe they have been around for a long time and the conditions were perfect for them to amplify (especially in the UK) and spread throughout the world because of transportation/commerce advances.

The genetic predisposition that disallows susceptability did not just "happen" either. Maybe people/animals were exposed to it at a much earlier point in time?
 

Sandhusker

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Brad S said:
Husker, you'd have to agree that the Canadian feedban is at worst effective but imperfect. Much as our USDA, effective to a statistical suriety yet imperfect. The hide and seek the Japs were playing was intentional and criminal.

I have only seen "effective feed ban". I have never seen any tolerances along with it. You also give the USDA much more credit than I would. Imperfect? Undoubtably. Effective to a statistical suriety? I'd say single digits.
 

RoperAB

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I think the most important thing is for the beef industry to be doing everything possible to insure food safety.
This should be the number one concern.
I think that as long as we are honest and up front with consumers that everything will be okay.
The worst thing the beef industry could ever do is try to "hide stuff" or "dont look-dont tell".
If it was just about cheap meat with little concern about safety standards we could be importing it from Argetina.
Would any of you eat beef from a market in the Sudan?
 

RoperAB

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reader (the Second) said:
RoperAB said:
I think the most important thing is for the beef industry to be doing everything possible to insure food safety.
This should be the number one concern.
I think that as long as we are honest and up front with consumers that everything will be okay.
The worst thing the beef industry could ever do is try to "hide stuff" or "dont look-dont tell".
If it was just about cheap meat with little concern about safety standards we could be importing it from Argetina.
Would any of you eat beef from a market in the Sudan?

I agree with you with the caveat that I happily eat Argentine beef - or did in Argentina various visits - it is grass fed and therefore was free at least of the danger of BSE amplified through ruminant-to-ruminant feed.

I agree that the conditions of raising, slaughtering, and marketing all meat are to be examined and I don't buy the slaughter poultry hanging in Chinese markets, nor would I eat beef froma market in the Sudan.

You know after reading your post I researched it and your right about Arentina :roll:
The more we get away from traditional ranching the worst off we are.
Like where im at everything is done in the traditional way. We dont even use hormones. But if it cant be done on horseback I dont want anything to do with it so I dont know what other modern outfits are doing.
 

DiamondSCattleCo

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RoperAB said:
The more we get away from traditional ranching the worst off we are.

This is certainly off-topic, and I'm sure to get blasted, but I think Roper has a point.

Has anyone bothered to watch the children coming out of schools? I went to one of my daughter's dance recitals, and was watching the older dancers (14+). I was very surprised to find out they were only 14 years old. I was certainly, given their size and development, that they were much older. While I was on my way to the hospital a couple weeks ago, I was stopped at the 4-way waiting for the kids to cross. There were boys who were skinny as rails, and well over 6 feet tall crossing in front of me. Its been quite a few years since I was in high school, but we never had that much development.

I think alot of these "safe" hormones that are used in chicken, dairy, and beef production are leaving behind residues that are finding their way into our children.

Ditto with the intensive ranching we see these days. I keep large pens with few animals in each in order to minimize sickness, and they are only in pens during calving season, but certainly others do not. And if the margins keep shrinking, beef production will soon go the way of hog and chicken barns. Thousands of animals crammed into small barns, loaded full of antibiotics and new strains of viruses cropping up nearly daily. Its the corporate mentality, and probably even "more efficient in the long run", but at what cost?

Rod
 

flounder

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Mike wrote;

I not going to argue the definition of "spontaneous". But it is in itself just a way to say that they came from an unknown infective source. Agreed? ...


AGREED !!! :shock: :nod: :clap:



DiamondSCattleCo wrote ;


This is certainly off-topic, and I'm sure to get blasted, but I think Roper has a point.

Has anyone bothered to watch the children coming out of schools? I went to one of my daughter's dance recitals, and was watching the older dancers (14+). I was very surprised to find out they were only 14 years old. I was certainly, given their size and development, that they were much older. While I was on my way to the hospital a couple weeks ago, I was stopped at the 4-way waiting for the kids to cross. There were boys who were skinny as rails, and well over 6 feet tall crossing in front of me. Its been quite a few years since I was in high school, but we never had that much development. ..................


:shock: :nod: :clap: reality setting in, excellent observation :clap:



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