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TimH

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Oldtimer said:
Since you are all lovers of facts- Heres a couple...

Canada's average defense budget is 1% of their GNP-
The US has been averaging in the 5% range, being as high as 10+%...

The US defense budget is approximately 50% of all military spending in the WORLD...

Last year the US budget ended up spending between $400-500 billion dollars (hard to figure with all the later add ons it was probably more) ..
Canadas defense budget was $13 billion...


If Canada had an aircraft carrier (and they don't) all 60 of their fighter planes could fit on the deck... :roll: :lol:

The Canadian PM reported that when he sent the 2000 troops to Afghanistan, it totally left Canada void of any combat troops to use anywhere else :roll: But their was nothing to fear- Big Brother US wouldn't allow anyone to invade you :wink:

You Canucks can see it your way- but I can definitely see it the way it is...

Hey OT!! I don't know a lot about history, so could you please tell me exactly when the USA fired a shot, burned a gallon of Jet-B, or lost a serviceman defending Canada from invasion????
I'm pretty sure the correct answer is NEVER. Do you know something that I don't or are you just barking out your back stack....AGAIN???!!! :roll:
 
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TimH said:
Oldtimer said:
Since you are all lovers of facts- Heres a couple...

Canada's average defense budget is 1% of their GNP-
The US has been averaging in the 5% range, being as high as 10+%...

The US defense budget is approximately 50% of all military spending in the WORLD...

Last year the US budget ended up spending between $400-500 billion dollars (hard to figure with all the later add ons it was probably more) ..
Canadas defense budget was $13 billion...


If Canada had an aircraft carrier (and they don't) all 60 of their fighter planes could fit on the deck... :roll: :lol:

The Canadian PM reported that when he sent the 2000 troops to Afghanistan, it totally left Canada void of any combat troops to use anywhere else :roll: But their was nothing to fear- Big Brother US wouldn't allow anyone to invade you :wink:

You Canucks can see it your way- but I can definitely see it the way it is...

Hey OT!! I don't know a lot about history, so could you please tell me exactly when the USA fired a shot, burned a gallon of Jet-B, or lost a serviceman defending Canada from invasion????
I'm pretty sure the correct answer is NEVER. Do you know something that I don't or are you just barking out your back stack....AGAIN???!!! :roll:

We're doing a pretty good job-eh :wink: :lol:

I don't think we've did any of that defending Japan either in the last 50 years- but we have spent a fortune keeping both of your rears free- and providing a free world you can trade into and keep profitting from...

Canada and Japan both want to trade into the US market- and trade into a free world of trade- but then neither will lift a finger or spend a dime to keep those markets free and open.... Why should you when the US taxpayer pays for it :???: ...

Both would rather ride the gravy train- and the topper was when the US asked for a little assistance to repay those billions $ Americans had spent and the Canadian government stabbed them in the back.....

The US is now building "Tams forts" along the 49th, that Canucks are complaining about-- and spending billions building fences, electronic barriers, developing "passports", adding 4 times the armed security, and doing aerial surveillance.... Why? Because Canada hasn't picked up its share of providing security for years and now the US has become aware of it......
 

TimH

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
TimH said:
Oldtimer said:
Since you are all lovers of facts- Heres a couple...

Canada's average defense budget is 1% of their GNP-
The US has been averaging in the 5% range, being as high as 10+%...

The US defense budget is approximately 50% of all military spending in the WORLD...

Last year the US budget ended up spending between $400-500 billion dollars (hard to figure with all the later add ons it was probably more) ..
Canadas defense budget was $13 billion...


If Canada had an aircraft carrier (and they don't) all 60 of their fighter planes could fit on the deck... :roll: :lol:

The Canadian PM reported that when he sent the 2000 troops to Afghanistan, it totally left Canada void of any combat troops to use anywhere else :roll: But their was nothing to fear- Big Brother US wouldn't allow anyone to invade you :wink:

You Canucks can see it your way- but I can definitely see it the way it is...

Hey OT!! I don't know a lot about history, so could you please tell me exactly when the USA fired a shot, burned a gallon of Jet-B, or lost a serviceman defending Canada from invasion????
I'm pretty sure the correct answer is NEVER. Do you know something that I don't or are you just barking out your back stack....AGAIN???!!! :roll:

We're doing a pretty good job-eh :wink: :lol:

I don't think we've did any of that defending Japan either in the last 50 years- but we have spent a fortune keeping both of your rears free...

Canada and Japan both want to trade into the US market- and trade into a free world of trade- but then neither will lift a finger or spend a dime to keep those markets free and open.... Why should you when the US taxpayer pays for it :???: ...

Both would rather ride the gravy train- and the topper was when the US asked for a little assistance to repay those billions $ Americans had spent and the Canadian government stabbed them in the back.....

The US is now building "Tams forts" along the 49th, and spending billions building fences, electronic barriers, developing "passports", adding 4 times the armed security, and doing aerial surveillance.... Why? Because Canada hasn't picked up its share of providing security for years and now they have become aware of it......

Give us an example of where you have spent $1.00 keeping Canadian rears free.
Here is a little reminder for you ,Deputy Dawg, on 9/11 our airports were jampacked with US bound flights that could not land in the US. Canadian taxpayers picked up a large part of the bill for that. Our F-18's were in the air and escorted several flights to the ground. I paid for that.
After hurricane Katrina we sent ships and aid workers to the Gulf. I paid for that. Remember the hostage rescue in Iran in the '70's?? You're welcome. Friggin' ingrate. :roll:
Please give us an example of US taxdollars being spent defending Canada from attack Oldtimer, or admit that you are just talking out of your a$$!!! Just 1 example of America warding off a foreign attack on Canada.....that's all I ask. :roll:
 
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Well TimH- How much do you think it cost to put up the Cuban blockade? Probably cost more than $1.00... Maybe we should have just let Kruschev keep putting in missiles- eh? Move into the Western Hemisphere...Would have only been able to reach Ottowa and Montreal- and they're not worth much... :wink:

How much was spent keeping the USSR from spreading thruout the globe? How much trading would Communist Russia allow you to do? Bringing down the Berlin Wall and the decline of the USSR :???: Or don't you believe that Ronald Reagan and the US caused the collapse of that empire?

Remember the DEW line-- What percentage of the cost of installing and operating the first warning system for North America did Canada put in? Altho Canadian industry and labor was one of the big reapers of profits...

I agree it was kind of nice of you to take the international flights on 9/11- but I think since all US airports were shut down you would have been chastised severely if they were just allowed to run out of fuel and fall into the sea- especially since many carried Canadian passengers, seems like what every civilized country would do- but now you want gold stars and atta boys :???: ...I do remember Iran- but I also remember the Canadian answer when we asked for a little help with Iraq....
 

TimH

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Well TimH- How much do you think it cost to put up the Cuban blockade? Probably cost more than $1.00... Maybe we should have just let Kruschev keep putting in missiles- eh? Move into the Western Hemisphere...Would have only been able to reach Ottowa and Montreal- and they're not worth much... :wink:

How much was spent keeping the USSR from spreading thruout the globe? How much trading would Communist Russia allow you to do? Bringing down the Berlin Wall and the decline of the USSR :???: Or don't you believe that Ronald Reagan and the US caused the collapse of that empire?

Remember the DEW line-- What percentage of the cost of installing and operating the first warning system for North America did Canada put in? Altho Canadian industry and labor was one of the big reapers of profits...

I agree it was kind of nice of you to take the international flights on 9/11- but I think since all US airports were shut down you would have been chastised severely if they were just allowed to run out of fuel and fall into the sea- especially since many carried Canadian passengers, seems like what every civilized country would do- but now you want gold stars and atta boys :???: ...I do remember Iran- but I also remember the Canadian answer when we asked for a little help with Iraq....

:D :D :D
The Cuban Blockade???? I guess I didn't realize that missiles(1950's technology) 90 miles from FLORIDA posed such a threat to Canada. :roll: :roll:
Can you cite one example Oldtimer of the USA spending one thin dime expressly for the purpose of defending Canada????
I didn't think so. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

You have heard of "REALITY" haven't you??? :D :D
 

Econ101

Well-known member
TimH said:
Oldtimer said:
Well TimH- How much do you think it cost to put up the Cuban blockade? Probably cost more than $1.00... Maybe we should have just let Kruschev keep putting in missiles- eh? Move into the Western Hemisphere...Would have only been able to reach Ottowa and Montreal- and they're not worth much... :wink:

How much was spent keeping the USSR from spreading thruout the globe? How much trading would Communist Russia allow you to do? Bringing down the Berlin Wall and the decline of the USSR :???: Or don't you believe that Ronald Reagan and the US caused the collapse of that empire?

Remember the DEW line-- What percentage of the cost of installing and operating the first warning system for North America did Canada put in? Altho Canadian industry and labor was one of the big reapers of profits...

I agree it was kind of nice of you to take the international flights on 9/11- but I think since all US airports were shut down you would have been chastised severely if they were just allowed to run out of fuel and fall into the sea- especially since many carried Canadian passengers, seems like what every civilized country would do- but now you want gold stars and atta boys :???: ...I do remember Iran- but I also remember the Canadian answer when we asked for a little help with Iraq....

:D :D :D
The Cuban Blockade???? I guess I didn't realize that missiles(1950's technology) 90 miles from FLORIDA posed such a threat to Canada. :roll: :roll:
Can you cite one example Oldtimer of the USA spending one thin dime expressly for the purpose of defending Canada????
I didn't think so. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

You have heard of "REALITY" haven't you??? :D :D

If you believe an unfortunate truth, we are helping thaw yall from the ice age.

That has to count for something. :lol: :lol:

Look on the bright side, TimH. We are not invading. :p

I would like to take another trip through Canada though. I just watched parts of the pbs show on some of the hotels/lodges in the national parks. They are magnificent. Know a few people up there in BC and they are great fellows. Actually one of my room mates was American but the Frasier valley (sp?) was supposed to be named after one of his ancestors. His dad was Canadian.

If the Brittish hadn't run all the acadians out of Canada south louisiana wouldn't have that rich heritage and I might not know how to cook file gumbo.
 

TimH

Well-known member
Econ wrote-
If the Brittish hadn't run all the acadians out of Canada south louisiana wouldn't have that rich heritage and I might not know how to cook file gumbo.

You may know how to cook it but you sure as hell can't SPELL it!!! :D :D
 
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Anonymous

Guest
TimH said:
Oldtimer said:
Well TimH- How much do you think it cost to put up the Cuban blockade? Probably cost more than $1.00... Maybe we should have just let Kruschev keep putting in missiles- eh? Move into the Western Hemisphere...Would have only been able to reach Ottowa and Montreal- and they're not worth much... :wink:

How much was spent keeping the USSR from spreading thruout the globe? How much trading would Communist Russia allow you to do? Bringing down the Berlin Wall and the decline of the USSR :???: Or don't you believe that Ronald Reagan and the US caused the collapse of that empire?

Remember the DEW line-- What percentage of the cost of installing and operating the first warning system for North America did Canada put in? Altho Canadian industry and labor was one of the big reapers of profits...

I agree it was kind of nice of you to take the international flights on 9/11- but I think since all US airports were shut down you would have been chastised severely if they were just allowed to run out of fuel and fall into the sea- especially since many carried Canadian passengers, seems like what every civilized country would do- but now you want gold stars and atta boys :???: ...I do remember Iran- but I also remember the Canadian answer when we asked for a little help with Iraq....

:D :D :D
The Cuban Blockade???? I guess I didn't realize that missiles(1950's technology) 90 miles from FLORIDA posed such a threat to Canada. :roll: :roll:
Can you cite one example Oldtimer of the USA spending one thin dime expressly for the purpose of defending Canada????
I didn't think so. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

You have heard of "REALITY" haven't you??? :D :D

While the missiles delivered had "only" a range of 2000 kms (targeting most of the east coast) and piddly 12 kiloton nuclear bombs :roll: - nothing was stopping them from adding the much bigger ICBMs- except for the power of the US military....

If you don't understand what the threats were- and what the power of the US military did for the free world to keep those threats in check- then I can never change your mind...Your thinking and comments parrot that of the Liberal Socialists that are constantly on CBC condemning the US and the US military, when they have no idea of what the US and that military did for all of the free world.....

I hope you continue to enjoy your free ride on the shirtails of the American taxpayer...Enjoy the markets the US cattlemen built for you...Enjoy the markets the US military has kept open and free for you.....
 

TimH

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
TimH said:
Oldtimer said:
Well TimH- How much do you think it cost to put up the Cuban blockade? Probably cost more than $1.00... Maybe we should have just let Kruschev keep putting in missiles- eh? Move into the Western Hemisphere...Would have only been able to reach Ottowa and Montreal- and they're not worth much... :wink:

How much was spent keeping the USSR from spreading thruout the globe? How much trading would Communist Russia allow you to do? Bringing down the Berlin Wall and the decline of the USSR :???: Or don't you believe that Ronald Reagan and the US caused the collapse of that empire?

Remember the DEW line-- What percentage of the cost of installing and operating the first warning system for North America did Canada put in? Altho Canadian industry and labor was one of the big reapers of profits...

I agree it was kind of nice of you to take the international flights on 9/11- but I think since all US airports were shut down you would have been chastised severely if they were just allowed to run out of fuel and fall into the sea- especially since many carried Canadian passengers, seems like what every civilized country would do- but now you want gold stars and atta boys :???: ...I do remember Iran- but I also remember the Canadian answer when we asked for a little help with Iraq....

:D :D :D
The Cuban Blockade???? I guess I didn't realize that missiles(1950's technology) 90 miles from FLORIDA posed such a threat to Canada. :roll: :roll:
Can you cite one example Oldtimer of the USA spending one thin dime expressly for the purpose of defending Canada????
I didn't think so. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

You have heard of "REALITY" haven't you??? :D :D

While the missiles delivered had "only" a range of 2000 kms (targeting most of the east coast) and piddly 12 kiloton nuclear bombs :roll: - nothing was stopping them from adding the much bigger ICBMs- except for the power of the US military....

If you don't understand what the threats were- and what the power of the US military did for the free world to keep those threats in check- then I can never change your mind...Your thinking and comments parrot that of the Liberal Socialists that are constantly on CBC condemning the US and the US military, when they have no idea of what the US and that military did for all of the free world.....

I hope you continue to enjoy your free ride on the shirtails of the American taxpayer...Enjoy the markets the US cattlemen built for you...Enjoy the markets the US military has kept open and free for you.....

Blah,blah,blah..... and your example of $1.00 of US taxpayer money being spent expressly for the purpose of saving my Canuck a$$ is........??????? :D :D :D
Best head to the kitchen for another sugar donut OT. That'll help you think straight. Arrogant old prick. :mad:
 

DiamondSCattleCo

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Big Brother US wouldn't allow anyone to invade you :wink:

I won't argue that the US would be one of the first to jump in to defend Canada, should we ever be invaded, but don't let that go to your head. You know as well as I do that the US's role of protector of freedom and defenders of Canada is self-appointed. Canada has never requested the assistance of any country, nor will we ever have to.

And you'd best check on your facts a little more closely. The 2000 troops we sent were all that we could SPARE (as opposed to your line of thinking that that is all we have) as we have troops all over the world in UN peacekeeping roles, not to mention the 7 or 8000 sailors we have in Med, providing blockade service for your own war effort over there. When we wouldn't declare war after your 9/11 attack (which I think was a mistake), American military men immediately went on record stating that Canada was providing as many men as all the other paper tigers combined, including the British, even though there was no government support voiced. The point our government was trying to make was why declare war if you aren't going to send any troops in? Like I said, I think it was a mistake not to voice support directly, but we still had more troops helping than all your other supporters combined.

As for Cuba, does the Bay of Pigs ring a bell? Perhaps if the CIA had done what they said they were going to, we wouldn't have had to worry about those Russian ICBMs. By the way, those ICBMs? 2000 mile range, but they wouldn't have hit any target in Canada due to poor guidance and once off-target, they disarmed. Canada wasn't even the least bit threatened by them.

And onto the enhanced security at airports now. Those measures have been put in place along ALL your borders because every last one of the 9/11 terrorists went through the US first, before ever entering Canada.

And as far as the markets go, we'd be selling into every single market that we are right now, whether the US saved democracy or not. Hell, before the breakup of the USSR, they were one of our biggest customers.

And onto the DEW line. That line provides NO benefit to most of Canada, as we wouldn't recieve enough warning time from it. So Canadian taxpayers shelled out bucks to protect your country, and a small chunk of southern Ontario.

So OT, I have many friends in the US, and I respect much of what your country has accomplished both within its own borders and outside those borders, but when your patriotism includes insulting my own country, you can take your patriotism and blow it out your ass.

And theres a few facts for you.

Rod
 

Econ101

Well-known member
TimH said:
Econ wrote-
If the Brittish hadn't run all the acadians out of Canada south louisiana wouldn't have that rich heritage and I might not know how to cook file gumbo.

You may know how to cook it but you sure as hell can't SPELL it!!! :D :D

Thats the coon.... part of the family. I can mispell like the best of them. Just ask MRJ.
 

Econ101

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
TimH said:
Oldtimer said:
Well TimH- How much do you think it cost to put up the Cuban blockade? Probably cost more than $1.00... Maybe we should have just let Kruschev keep putting in missiles- eh? Move into the Western Hemisphere...Would have only been able to reach Ottowa and Montreal- and they're not worth much... :wink:

How much was spent keeping the USSR from spreading thruout the globe? How much trading would Communist Russia allow you to do? Bringing down the Berlin Wall and the decline of the USSR :???: Or don't you believe that Ronald Reagan and the US caused the collapse of that empire?

Remember the DEW line-- What percentage of the cost of installing and operating the first warning system for North America did Canada put in? Altho Canadian industry and labor was one of the big reapers of profits...

I agree it was kind of nice of you to take the international flights on 9/11- but I think since all US airports were shut down you would have been chastised severely if they were just allowed to run out of fuel and fall into the sea- especially since many carried Canadian passengers, seems like what every civilized country would do- but now you want gold stars and atta boys :???: ...I do remember Iran- but I also remember the Canadian answer when we asked for a little help with Iraq....

:D :D :D
The Cuban Blockade???? I guess I didn't realize that missiles(1950's technology) 90 miles from FLORIDA posed such a threat to Canada. :roll: :roll:
Can you cite one example Oldtimer of the USA spending one thin dime expressly for the purpose of defending Canada????
I didn't think so. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

You have heard of "REALITY" haven't you??? :D :D

While the missiles delivered had "only" a range of 2000 kms (targeting most of the east coast) and piddly 12 kiloton nuclear bombs :roll: - nothing was stopping them from adding the much bigger ICBMs- except for the power of the US military....

If you don't understand what the threats were- and what the power of the US military did for the free world to keep those threats in check- then I can never change your mind...Your thinking and comments parrot that of the Liberal Socialists that are constantly on CBC condemning the US and the US military, when they have no idea of what the US and that military did for all of the free world.....

I hope you continue to enjoy your free ride on the shirtails of the American taxpayer...Enjoy the markets the US cattlemen built for you...Enjoy the markets the US military has kept open and free for you.....

Not to mention quell the former yugoslavians to prevent further unrest on the continent.

Tim weren't Canadians pulled into WWI based on that part of the world's instability? Maybe you should ask Archduke Franz Ferdinand.

This discussion has some points, but in all---except to follow "big brother" even when doing wrong to keep the protection and benefits of big brother, Canada has been a good neighbor. Canadian producers have the same problems U.S. producers have except they are captive producers for U.S. corporations and the U.S. markets. That is one of the problems with globalization.

When you rely on someone as much as the Canadian beef industry relies on the U.S., you can't help but go along with "big brother" even when he is wrong. The Alberta report clearly shows that.

It does make you less free.
 

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