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Jesus Could Both Read & Write

Mike

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Jesus Could Read And Write

The New Testament informs us that Jesus could both read and write. The Gospel of Luke tells us of an incident where Jesus read from the prophet Isaiah.


And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up; and as was his custom, he entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read. And the book of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. And he opened the book, and found the place where it was written, "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because he anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives, And recovery of sight to the blind, to set free those who are downtrodden, to proclaim the favorable year of the Lord." And he closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant, and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed upon him. And he began to say to them, "Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing" (Luke 4:16-21).

From this passage we can see that Jesus had the ability to read. He found the place in the scroll where He wanted to read and read the desired portion.

Jesus Wrote Something On The Ground

There is a passage in John's Gospel that demonstrates Jesus had the ability to write:


And the scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman caught in adultery, and having set her in the midst, they said to him, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in adultery, in the very act. "Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do you say?" And they were saying this, testing him, in order that they might have grounds for accusing him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground. But when they persisted in asking him, he straightened up, and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. And when they heard it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and he was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the midst (John 8:3-9).

The fact that Jesus could write is taught in this passage. We should not assume that He just doodled on the ground. He wrote something that caused the religious leaders to leave the scene. Exactly what He wrote has been the subject of endless speculation. However, no one knows for certain what He wrote.

Everyone agrees that it reflects an actual occurrence in the ministry of Jesus.

Why Didn't He Write Something For Us?

If Jesus could read and write, then why didn't' He leave behind anything for humanity? The answer is we simply do not know why Jesus did not write any texts setting down His teachings, or give us any firsthand knowledge of His innermost thoughts. These questions, which have been a puzzle to people since the first century, have no real answer.

Do We Have A Letter From Jesus?

There is an ancient letter that purports to have been written from Jesus. It is known as, "The Letter to King Abgar." Abgar was a real king who reigned from A.D. 9 to A.D. 46 in what is in modern- day Turkey. As the story goes, King Abgar wrote first to Jesus requesting a miracle.


And when I heard all those things about you, I considered that you are either God himself who has come down from heaven to act like this, or that you are the Son of God doing such things. Therefore I am writing to you and ask you to visit me and cure my illness. Incidentally, I have heard that the Jews are grumbling about you and wish you harm. I have a city, rather small, but noble, and it is sufficient for us both.

The Reply Of Jesus To King Abgar

It is recorded that Jesus replied by means of a courier. He began the letter by a saying that is found in John's gospel.


Blessed are you, who has believed in me without having seen me.

Jesus, according to His letter, declined Abgar's invitation because He had not fulfilled His ministry. However, Jesus wrote that He would send one of His disciples after His ascension, "so that he may cure your illness and give life to you and to those who are with you."
 

kolanuraven

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He wrote on the ground.



The supposed leader and founder of one of the largest and powerful religions of the world.......and he wrote on the ground......

That is not considered ' being able to write'

:roll:


There is NO proven and factual evidence that this man could write/read.


Plenty of speculation, which you just posted, but NOTHING of solid evidence.
 

iwannabeacowboy

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kolanuraven said:
He wrote on the ground.



The supposed leader and founder of one of the largest and powerful religions of the world.......and he wrote on the ground......

That is not considered ' being able to write'

:roll:


There is NO proven and factual evidence that this man could write/read.


Plenty of speculation, which you just posted, but NOTHING of solid evidence.

So by your statement you accept that He lived?

Now, you just need to prove that He couldn't read or write. What evidence do you have?

So far your argument is rather void of evidence. Mike posted the testimony of someone who lived at that time. Do you even have that? Where is your witness account that this is a lie?
 

kolanuraven

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iwannabeacowboy said:
kolanuraven said:
He wrote on the ground.



The supposed leader and founder of one of the largest and powerful religions of the world.......and he wrote on the ground......

That is not considered ' being able to write'

:roll:


There is NO proven and factual evidence that this man could write/read.


Plenty of speculation, which you just posted, but NOTHING of solid evidence.

So by your statement you accept that He lived?

Now, you just need to prove that He couldn't read or write. What evidence do you have?

So far your argument is rather void of evidence. Mike posted the testimony of someone who lived at that time. Do you even have that? Where is your witness account that this is a lie?


Did the man live.......Sure.

There is no evidence that he could. Specualtion, sure, actual proof he could NO.


I didn't say it was a lie, I said there are no facts to support. BIG difference.


What is funny is that you guys are getting your panties all up in a wad.

In fact, in that time in history 90%+ of the people could not read nor write, from the poorest to the richest.

The minority were the ones who could read/write.

It's not an emotional argument, which you all are trying to push it to, it's factual and therein lies your confusion.
 

Mike

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Kola wrote:
most historians tend to agree he himself was unable to read and write.

This what you said earlier. If "most" historians agree with this and there are probably 10,000 - 20,000 historians, then you should have no problem coming up with 200-300 to show us.

You've been reading OT too long and spouting stuff you know little about. :lol:

BRING IT!!!!!!!!!
 

TexasBred

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kolanuraven said:
Did the man live.......Sure.

There is no evidence that he could. Specualtion, sure, actual proof he could NO.


I didn't say it was a lie, I said there are no facts to support. BIG difference.


What is funny is that you guys are getting your panties all up in a wad.

In fact, in that time in history 90%+ of the people could not read nor write, from the poorest to the richest.

The minority were the ones who could read/write.

It's not an emotional argument, which you all are trying to push it to, it's factual and therein lies your confusion.

Kola...fact...few people (kings inlcuded) other then the religious, the lawyers and doctors could read even up until the 17th century. But scripture still leads us to know that Jesus could read and implies that he could also write, even if only in the dirt. We should not assume that He just doodled on the ground. He wrote something that caused the religious leaders to leave the scene. Exactly what He wrote has been the subject of endless speculation. However, no one knows for certain what He wrote.

BTW this pretty well also refutes the claim by some that the Catholic Church chained the bible to the pulpit to keep the common man from reading it. Actually it was to keep such a valuable book from being stolen.
 

iwannabeacowboy

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If you think Im at all upset over this discussion, Im not. I enjoy it. If i can't defend my belief, why should i believe it?

I feel the same about anything i do. I like when individuals question me at work. I tend to follow advanced practices in my industry. It gives me a chance to educate. If i can't explain what im doing, i shouldn't be doing it. Makes for an environment that promotes learning.

I tend to follow evidence, so far Mike has still offered the most. If 90% of America lives paycheck to paycheck, it apparently means you do as well?

Since we are talking a specific individual, let's stick to known information about Him and less speculation.
 

Mike

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Martin Jr. said:
As for Muhammad, all stories about him tell us that he could neither read or write.

Muslims claim that because Muhammad was illiterate, he could not have written the Qur’an, and thus the Qur'an is a miracle, Muhammad's primary miracle. This idea of illiteracy is supported in the Qur’an:

Sura 7:157: "Those who follow the apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures), - in the law and the Gospel...

Sura 7:158 – Say: "O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Apostle of God, to Whom belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He That giveth both life and death. So believe in God and His Apostle, the Unlettered Prophet, who believeth in God and His words: follow him that (so) ye may be guided."
 

hypocritexposer

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unless Kola posts a picture of her brushing her teeth, I will continue to believe that she is one of the 10%, that never does...I will also consider, as actual evidence, a written statement from OT, that he has seen her brush her teeth, the morning after...
 

littlejoe

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and he could type over 100 wpm and take shorthand.

a dandy finish carpenter==no, hippo--he was from Mideast, not finland---and he could sing alcapulco, which means: no piano. and damn few mejicans.
 

hypocritexposer

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littlejoe said:
and he could type over 100 wpm and take shorthand.

a dandy finish carpenter==no, hippo--he was from Mideast, not finland---and he could sing alcapulco, which means: no piano. and damn few mejicans.

carpenters in those days were all stonemasons.

Ever investigated the engineering behind some of the stone buildings, of those days?

and the word is Acapella. Like Pentatonix...and they do have a Latina...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9XQ2MdNgKY

the "penta", means 5... :wink:
 

iwannabeacowboy

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littlejoe said:
and he could type over 100 wpm and take shorthand.

a dandy finish carpenter==no, hippo--he was from Mideast, not finland---and he could sing alcapulco, which means: no piano. and damn few mejicans.

Anyone else notice the consistent and complete lack of actual contribution to any discussion? Truely fascinating. That may posts, yet nothing of substance. Has to be a record.... wait, I forgot about his mentor.
 

hypocritexposer

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iwannabeacowboy said:
littlejoe said:
and he could type over 100 wpm and take shorthand.

a dandy finish carpenter==no, hippo--he was from Mideast, not finland---and he could sing alcapulco, which means: no piano. and damn few mejicans.

Anyone else notice the consistent and complete lack of actual contribution to any discussion? Truely fascinating. That may posts, yet nothing of substance. Has to be a record.... wait, I forgot about his mentor.

For some reason, they think you Christians will take offense, to their bigotry, and become silent. But, from an early age, are Christians not taught, that such ad hominem attacks were prophesized?

Seems the alinskyites continue to validate the prophecy... :lol:
 

littlejoe

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iwannabeacowboy said:
littlejoe said:
and he could type over 100 wpm and take shorthand.

a dandy finish carpenter==no, hippo--he was from Mideast, not finland---and he could sing alcapulco, which means: no piano. and damn few mejicans.

Anyone else notice the consistent and complete lack of actual contribution to any discussion? Truely fascinating. That may posts, yet nothing of substance. Has to be a record.... wait, I forgot about his mentor.

okeydokey here, wannabee---on this heah mentor deal, it's been quite sloppily documented that me and mentor and menthol is all same guy. keep up or take notes.

as far as actual factual contribution, do you not realize this is political bull? a finer pile of horseshit and consistent moronic horseshit shovellers has seldom occurred in modern times.

on a personal basis, I have counseled you afore about getting off this board and actually trying to accompfish something---you wannabee a wannabee all uv yer life? you wannabee old and saying 'coulda wooulda shoulda'?

you miss alla the shots you don' take. go fer it.
 

littlejoe

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hypocritexposer said:
littlejoe said:
and he could type over 100 wpm and take shorthand.

a dandy finish carpenter==no, hippo--he was from Mideast, not finland---and he could sing alcapulco, which means: no piano. and damn few mejicans.

carpenters in those days were all stonemasons.

Ever investigated the engineering behind some of the stone buildings, of those days?

and the word is Acapella. Like Pentatonix...and they do have a Latina...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9XQ2MdNgKY

the "penta", means 5... :wink:

you dope you is aggravating about the finest irish tenor in western hemi---I know how to spell acupulco!
 

hypocritexposer

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littlejoe said:
hypocritexposer said:
littlejoe said:
and he could type over 100 wpm and take shorthand.

a dandy finish carpenter==no, hippo--he was from Mideast, not finland---and he could sing alcapulco, which means: no piano. and damn few mejicans.

carpenters in those days were all stonemasons.

Ever investigated the engineering behind some of the stone buildings, of those days?

and the word is Acapella. Like Pentatonix...and they do have a Latina...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9XQ2MdNgKY

the "penta", means 5... :wink:

you dope you is aggravating about the finest irish tenor in western hemi---I know how to spell acupulco!


I bet you do know how to spell acupulco. It is probably printed on your visa statement, every month, after hiring those Mexican hookers, eh?
 

iwannabeacowboy

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littlejoe said:
iwannabeacowboy said:
littlejoe said:
and he could type over 100 wpm and take shorthand.

a dandy finish carpenter==no, hippo--he was from Mideast, not finland---and he could sing alcapulco, which means: no piano. and damn few mejicans.

Anyone else notice the consistent and complete lack of actual contribution to any discussion? Truely fascinating. That may posts, yet nothing of substance. Has to be a record.... wait, I forgot about his mentor.

okeydokey here, wannabee---on this heah mentor deal, it's been quite sloppily documented that me and mentor and menthol is all same guy. keep up or take notes.

as far as actual factual contribution, do you not realize this is political bull? a finer pile of horse**** and consistent moronic horse**** shovellers has seldom occurred in modern times.

on a personal basis, I have counseled you afore about getting off this board and actually trying to accompfish something---you wannabee a wannabee all uv yer life? you wannabee old and saying 'coulda wooulda shoulda'?

you miss alla the shots you don' take. go fer it.

I do have quite a bit of time that I can do what I want. I'm very thankful for it and don't take credit for my success, of course other people didn't create it for me either. Probably spend more time with my kids and wife than average. The rest I waste on cattle and such. If you keep voting socialists back in, I might have to go back to working full time.
 

loomixguy

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kolanuraven said:
He wrote on the ground.



The supposed leader and founder of one of the largest and powerful religions of the world.......and he wrote on the ground......

That is not considered ' being able to write'

:roll:


There is NO proven and factual evidence that this man could write/read.


Plenty of speculation, which you just posted, but NOTHING of solid evidence.

I don't think Jesus carried a Big Chief tablet and a Bic pen with him to jot down his innermost thoughts. He probably never even stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, either.

There is an outer wall to a stall in my Dad's barn that has plenty of names, addresses, and phone numbers of horse customers who did business with him for a period stretching over 30 years...all written in pencil. Also on the wall were pedigrees, dates outside mares were bred, etc. The Book was in the house, but a lot of the information in it came from the wall. Dad didn't carry a Big Chief tablet with him all the time...
 
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