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just an honest question on gun registration

Where do you draw you line?

  • no background checks.

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  • back ground checks, but no storage of the info if it clears.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • B.C. check but no registration.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • ammo check

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  • ammo checks, but no storage of the info if it clears.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • B.C check, ammo check, and registration.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • confiscation is fine with me.

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  • what guns.. ?

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Steve

Well-known member
the left want a background check... and registration...

while it doesn't sound bad.. here is how I see it..


a background check is a way of stopping criminals..

but it is also a way to know who buys guns...

registration is another way to find out who illegally has guns..

but it is also a way to know who owns guns...

add in now they want IDs recorded for ammo... and ammo permits..

again,.. a great way to stop criminals..

but also another way to find out who didn't file a background check or register their guns.. and go take them.. cause now they are criminals..

all the laws proposed in today's age of mega data and cross reference leads a person to wonder when the knock on the door will come...

living in the North east.. it is sooner then later... after all they already have a list...

so the question is... where is your line.. what do you believe is a reasonable step.. even knowing that all the little steps lead to confiscation eventually..

dang to many options..
:!: I missed one.. back ground and ammo check with no storage of information or data if it clears.. (which is my choice ) ..
 

Mike

Well-known member
a background check is a way of stopping criminals..

Not even close. How many criminals are going to fill out a background check request?

They buy their guns from other criminals or steal them for themselves.
 

George

Well-known member
If you read my post I am for the 2nd amendment but I can see a need for back ground checks

I also feel that the person has a responsibility to society to be well trained or not have a firearm.

In my line of work a good firearm is another of a long line of tools and I would not let you drive a car, use power tools, operate heavy equipment without training. I also will not allow you to handle firearms around me or mine without adequate training!
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
George said:
If you read my post I am for the 2nd amendment but I can see a need for back ground checks

I also feel that the person has a responsibility to society to be well trained or not have a firearm.

In my line of work a good firearm is another of a long line of tools and I would not let you drive a car, use power tools, operate heavy equipment without training. I also will not allow you to handle firearms around me or mine without adequate training!


Now when I said this, these folks here went apes shite
 

gmacbeef

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
George said:
If you read my post I am for the 2nd amendment but I can see a need for back ground checks

I also feel that the person has a responsibility to society to be well trained or not have a firearm.

In my line of work a good firearm is another of a long line of tools and I would not let you drive a car, use power tools, operate heavy equipment without training. I also will not allow you to handle firearms around me or mine without adequate training!


Now when I said this, these folks here went apes shite

That's because you, as a Oblamea loving liberal ,would never mean it, even if you would ever say this.
 
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Anonymous

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kolanuraven said:
George said:
If you read my post I am for the 2nd amendment but I can see a need for back ground checks

I also feel that the person has a responsibility to society to be well trained or not have a firearm.

In my line of work a good firearm is another of a long line of tools and I would not let you drive a car, use power tools, operate heavy equipment without training. I also will not allow you to handle firearms around me or mine without adequate training!


Now when I said this, these folks here went apes shite

Yep-- and I agree with both you and George- so now they can really go apes shite... :lol:
 

okfarmer

Well-known member
I agree, since ownership of firearms is such an integral part of our society, we should make firearm handling etiquette, firearm laws and marksmanship with pellet guns part of physical education in high school.
 

Big Muddy rancher

Well-known member
okfarmer said:
I agree, since ownership of firearms is such an integral part of our society, we should make firearm handling etiquette, firearm laws and marksmanship with pellet guns part of physical education in high school.

That sounds like a good idea.
 

hypocritexposer

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How are they going to enforce any of these new laws? They're having a hard time enforcing the ones already on the books.

California authorities are empowered to seize weapons owned by convicted felons and people with mental illness, but staff shortages and funding cuts have left a backlog of more than 19,700 people to disarm, a law enforcement official said Tuesday.

Those gun owners have roughly 39,000 firearms, said Stephen Lindley, chief of the Bureau of Firearms for the state Department of Justice, testifying at a joint legislative hearing. His office lacks enough staff to confiscate all the weapons, which are recorded in the state's Armed Prohibited Persons database, he said.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-california-guns-20130130,0,418551.story
 

Steve

Well-known member
Mike said:
a background check is a way of stopping criminals..

Not even close. How many criminals are going to fill out a background check request?

They buy their guns from other criminals or steal them for themselves.

apparently 40, to 60 thousand failed background checks.. many for committing a crime., yet few are actually convicted..

NICS performs millions of checks every year, and usually in under two minutes. In 2010, the agency reviewed more than 6 million 4473 forms. Just 72,142 were denied the right to buy a gun.

Among those denials, 47 percent were rejected because of a felony indictment or conviction. Yet, just 44 were prosecuted, and 13 convicted of lying on their 4473 form, according to a report prepared for the DOJ by the Regional Justice Information Service in 2012. That represents just .0002 percent of all denials, and an even smaller percentage of the total number of background checks.

While the background check does deny guns to criminals, very few are punished for trying. And while a majority of lawmakers appear to support the system, there are lingering questions over to what extent it prevents crime.
 
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Big Muddy rancher said:
okfarmer said:
I agree, since ownership of firearms is such an integral part of our society, we should make firearm handling etiquette, firearm laws and marksmanship with pellet guns part of physical education in high school.

That sounds like a good idea.

So now you are supporting FEDERAL MANDATES for gun education/training :???:
So do you also support the FEDERAL government (taxpayer) paying for the costs of this FEDERAL MANDATE :???:
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
gmacbeef said:
kolanuraven said:
George said:
If you read my post I am for the 2nd amendment but I can see a need for back ground checks

I also feel that the person has a responsibility to society to be well trained or not have a firearm.

In my line of work a good firearm is another of a long line of tools and I would not let you drive a car, use power tools, operate heavy equipment without training. I also will not allow you to handle firearms around me or mine without adequate training!


Now when I said this, these folks here went apes shite

That's because you, as a Oblamea loving liberal ,would never mean it, even if you would ever say this.


Such a pizz ant :roll:
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
okfarmer said:
I agree, since ownership of firearms is such an integral part of our society, we should make firearm handling etiquette, firearm laws and marksmanship with pellet guns part of physical education in high school.

That sounds like a good idea.

So now you are supporting FEDERAL MANDATES for gun education/training :???:
So do you also support the FEDERAL government (taxpayer) paying for the costs of this FEDERAL MANDATE :???:

See, it's a GREAT idea when it's their idea!!! :roll:
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
Oldtimer said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
That sounds like a good idea.

So now you are supporting FEDERAL MANDATES for gun education/training :???:
So do you also support the FEDERAL government (taxpayer) paying for the costs of this FEDERAL MANDATE :???:

See, it's a GREAT idea when it's their idea!!! :roll:


who said anything about the Feds., besides OT?
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
Wow, what a change a day makes. Suddenly I see all these posts from former federal brown-nosers who are now talking like tea baggers. It's hard to keep up.
 

Red Barn Angus

Well-known member
Just a question that may be a little off topic but not really. If you buy a gun at a farm auction do you have to do the background check, registration, etc? You sure see a lot of guns advertised in auction listings.
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
Red Barn Angus said:
Just a question that may be a little off topic but not really. If you buy a gun at a farm auction do you have to do the background check, registration, etc? You sure see a lot of guns advertised in auction listings.

I'm not sure about farm auctions but I do recall that after winning a number of weapons at NRA-sponsored banquets, the weapons were always turned over to the local gun shop who hosted the event and a background check was done there before the weapons were given to me.

I also recall buying handguns at local gun shows and having to fill out and sign the federal form and then waiting while the seller/dealer phoned ATF or whoever issues the go-ahead.
 

George

Well-known member
In Indiana if you buy at an auction the firearm will be delivered to a local gun store and you will have to pass the background check before you can pick it up. This is all announced prior to the sale.

If you were to fail the background check your money would be returned minus an auction fee.

Gun shows in Indiana are the same, they do on the spot checks - - - if you buy several guns in a day you will have several checks that day.
 

Larrry

Well-known member
Until the lawbreakers face the wrath of the law, these actions on gun checks and so on are almost like lipstick on a pig. Might change the looks by trying to make the pig look better but the bacon still tastes the same.
 

TSR

Well-known member
Red Barn Angus said:
Just a question that may be a little off topic but not really. If you buy a gun at a farm auction do you have to do the background check, registration, etc? You sure see a lot of guns advertised in auction listings.

Its a state issue I think. I know for sure here in TN today I could pick up several local Shopper's publications, even local paper's classified, and could buy firearms from sellers w/out any background check. I might add ( we have discusssed this before) but in TN all kids are required to pass a hunter safety course before being allowed to hunt. Probably the same in other states. Here you can buy a lifetime license for a newborn, my grandson had one before he was a year old. I think it cost $200 at the time.
 
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