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Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
Oldtimer is like a mutt with a bone. All he sees is a way of bashing a conservative Tea Party member and his mind shuts down to COMMON SENSE. :roll:

Oldtimer we are still waiting for you to comment on this topic

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52837

and this one that has a zipper alert just for you. :wink:

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=529769#529769

Same O Tam-- try to blame the messenger and change the subject...

So now do you think Fanny and Freddie are good programs like some seem to be flipflopping and saying ?

Or are you like Congresswoman Bachmann and only think its a good program when you are getting benefits by using it - but don't think it should be available for anyone else in the country to use?

Typical Oldtimer Putting words in my mouth that I didn't say :roll:

Do you have ANY PROOF that Michele knew who bought her mortgage? :?

Can you grasp the facts that when a person gets a mortgage, the BANK SELLS IT to get money to make more loans and you really have no say in WHO BUYS IT FROM THE BANK. :roll:

Tell us oh wise one Does your son know who really owns his cheap lake front property low interest mortgage? Does he know for sure his bank didn't sell his mortgage to Fanny or Freddy so they have the money to make another loan? :roll:

So it sounds to me like now you are saying Bachmann is wrong in wanting to shut down the programs as its not the programs that are bad- just the way they were administrated for some time- and the problems came to be when greedy Bankers cut corners to profiteer and didn't follow good banking/lending practices...
That I will agree with....
 
Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
Same O Tam-- try to blame the messenger and change the subject...

So now do you think Fanny and Freddie are good programs like some seem to be flipflopping and saying ?

Or are you like Congresswoman Bachmann and only think its a good program when you are getting benefits by using it - but don't think it should be available for anyone else in the country to use?

Typical Oldtimer Putting words in my mouth that I didn't say :roll:

Do you have ANY PROOF that Michele knew who bought her mortgage? :?

Can you grasp the facts that when a person gets a mortgage, the BANK SELLS IT to get money to make more loans and you really have no say in WHO BUYS IT FROM THE BANK. :roll:

Tell us oh wise one Does your son know who really owns his cheap lake front property low interest mortgage? Does he know for sure his bank didn't sell his mortgage to Fanny or Freddy so they have the money to make another loan? :roll:

So it sounds to me like now you are saying Bachmann is wrong in wanting to shut down the programs as its not the programs that are bad- just the way they were administrated for some time- and the problems came to be when greedy Bankers cut corners to profiteer and didn't follow good banking/lending practices...
That I will agree with....

Lots of things sail right over your head oldtimer this is just another one..... in fact this is just another one!

Too bad your mind has failed you in your older years, :D :D :D
and i have you on age just not time on the bar!!!!!! :wink: :wink: :wink:
 
hopalong said:
YOU are the biggest flip floppier changing subject a$$ hole there is oltdmer

You do not like what those of us on this site say about you, but then you do not handle yourself on the other sites either, get you butt handed to to you one them too :D :D :D


I have to disagree with you on one issue Hop. :wink: Oldtimer is not a flip flopper. He is a steadfast hater of the Tea Party and he will go to any lengths to bring something to bash anyone even remotely related to the movement. Michele Bachmann is the target of his hatred. He will bring anything he can find to bash her even if there is NO PROOF she had any control of the issue. :roll:
 
OT wrote:
shut down the programs as its not the programs that are bad- just the way they were administrated for some time

You got it. Barney running the show with his suck buddy working there. Cozy little set-up I'd say.

the problems came to be when greedy Bankers cut corners to profiteer and didn't follow good banking/lending practices...

Know who the chief regulator of the banks is? That's right, it's the Federal Reserve in which no one can tell what to do. No one. They are a cartel of private banks with their own interest in mind.
 
the programs that are bad- just the way they were administrated for some time- and the problems came to be when greedy Bankers cut corners to profiteer and didn't follow good banking/lending practices...

Oldtimer who was it that would not allow the Bush Administration to rein in Fanny and Freddy when the problems first showed up?

Can you say THE DEMOCRATS under the advise of Frank.

BTW Who was it that was to be watching over the greedy banks to make sure they were following good banking and lending practices?

In New York, it was TIMOTHY GEITHNER and where is this loser now? Appointed by your incompetent hero to run the US Treasury. Where in the sam h*ll did Obama get the idea Timothy could run the US Treasury when the guy can't even do his own taxes. :roll:

The other day The Tax Cheat was asked what his plan was if the Congress didn't make a deal and his answer was. He didn't have one because the Congress were going to raise it. This is the genius that Obama put his faith in to fix the economy two years ago and he has NO BACK UP PLAN to stop a default on the US debt :shock: :x .

Be Proud Oldtimer these are the people you continuely defend. :roll:
 
Tam said:
the programs that are bad- just the way they were administrated for some time- and the problems came to be when greedy Bankers cut corners to profiteer and didn't follow good banking/lending practices...

Oldtimer who was it that would not allow the Bush Administration to rein in Fanny and Freddy when the problems first showed up?

Can you say THE DEMOCRATS under the advise of Frank.

BTW Who was it that was to be watching over the greedy banks to make sure they were following good banking and lending practices?

In New York, it was TIMOTHY GEITHNER and where is this loser now? Appointed by your incompetent hero to run the US Treasury. Where in the sam h*ll did Obama get the idea Timothy could run the US Treasury when the guy can't even do his own taxes. :roll:

The other day The Tax Cheat was asked what his plan was if the Congress didn't make a deal and his answer was. He didn't have one because the Congress were going to raise it. This is the genius that Obama put his faith in to fix the economy two years ago and he has NO BACK UP PLAN to stop a default on the US debt :shock: :x .

Be Proud Oldtimer these are the people you continuely defend. :roll:

You sure give old Barney a lot of power-- as I remember the President for 8 years leading up to the Bush Bust was Bush- and he is who changed a lot of the banking rules giving more people access to easy to get home loans - and appointed (and was supposed to provide oversight over) the administration of Fanny and Freddy....Old Barney wasn't even a member of the majority party or in a leadership role in Congress until 2007- and by then the housing and Bush Bust trainwreck was already well developed....

I put more blame on Clinton than Barney- as Clinton signed the banking and commodity gambling bills that Foreclosure Phil (Gramm) got stuck thru for his wealthy banker/investor lobbyiest buddies that struck down all the rules/laws that were put in place after the Great Depression to guarantee that such a depression could never happen again... (Tex has layed it out quite clear in several posts lately).
But if you want to put Barney on a pillar- so be it....
 
Caught in another lie, huh? You'd be wise to quit while you're still laying on your phat azz.

In 2003, while the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee, Frank opposed a Bush administration proposal, in response to accounting scandals, for transferring oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from Congress and the Department of Housing and Urban Development to a new agency that would be created within the Treasury Department. The proposal, supported by the head of Fannie Mae, reflected the administration's belief that Congress "neither has the tools, nor the stature" for adequate oversight. Frank stated, "These two entities ...are not facing any kind of financial crisis ... The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing."[62] In 2003, Frank also stated what has been called his "famous dice roll":[63] "I do not want the same kind of focus on safety and soundness [in the regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac] that we have in the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency and the Office of Thrift Supervision. I want to roll the dice a little bit more in this situation towards subsidised housing"

In other words, Frank, the ranking member of the House Financial Committee, wanted no oversight of the two entities.
 
Mike said:
Caught in another lie, huh? You'd be wise to quit while you're still laying on your phat azz.

In 2003, while the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee, Frank "

And like I said- he was in the minority party and was not even Chairman of the Financial Services Committee...Republican Mike Oxley was Chairman of the committee from 2001 to 2007... I think you give Barney way more credit/power than he deserves....
As I remember Oxley had an agreement worked out on putting more oversight over Fanny and Freddie- but his own party (that was in control of Congress and the White House) left it to die....

Just for info- would you believe Oxley is now a lobbyiest for the financial world:

Following his retirement from Congress, Oxley became a lobbyist for NASDAQ, and a partner at the law firm of Baker Hostetler in Washington D.C.. He is now a lobbyist for the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority,

And the continuing rip off circle continues.....
 
You forget that the walls came tumbling down while the Democrats had Congress............................................. :roll:
 
WorldWatch
First appeared in print in The Rhinoceros Times, Greensboro, NC
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
By Orson Scott Card October 5, 2008

Would the Last Honest Reporter Please Turn On the Lights?

An open letter to the local daily paper -- almost every local daily paper in America:

I remember reading All the President's Men and thinking: That's journalism. You do what it takes to get the truth and you lay it before the public, because the public has a right to know.

This housing crisis didn't come out of nowhere. It was not a vague emanation of the evil Bush administration.

It was a direct result of the political decision, back in the late 1990s, to loosen the rules of lending so that home loans would be more accessible to poor people. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were authorized to approve risky loans.

What is a risky loan? It's a loan that the recipient is likely not to be able to repay.

The goal of this rule change was to help the poor -- which especially would help members of minority groups. But how does it help these people to give them a loan that they can't repay? They get into a house, yes, but when they can't make the payments, they lose the house -- along with their credit rating.

They end up worse off than before.

This was completely foreseeable and in fact many people did foresee it. One political party, in Congress and in the executive branch, tried repeatedly to tighten up the rules. The other party blocked every such attempt and tried to loosen them.

Furthermore, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were making political contributions to the very members of Congress who were allowing them to make irresponsible loans. (Though why quasi-federal agencies were allowed to do so baffles me. It's as if the Pentagon were allowed to contribute to the political campaigns of Congressmen who support increasing their budget.)

Isn't there a story here? Doesn't journalism require that you who produce our daily paper tell the truth about who brought us to a position where the only way to keep confidence in our economy was a $700 billion bailout? Aren't you supposed to follow the money and see which politicians were benefitting personally from the deregulation of mortgage lending?

I have no doubt that if these facts had pointed to the Republican Party or to John McCain as the guilty parties, you would be treating it as a vast scandal. "Housing-gate," no doubt. Or "Fannie-gate."

Instead, it was Senator Christopher Dodd and Congressman Barney Frank, both Democrats, who denied that there were any problems, who refused Bush administration requests to set up a regulatory agency to watch over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and who were still pushing for these agencies to go even further in promoting subprime mortgage loans almost up to the minute they failed.

As Thomas Sowell points out in a TownHall.com essay entitled Do Facts Matter? "Alan Greenspan warned them four years ago. So did the Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers to the President. So did Bush's Secretary of the Treasury."

These are facts. This financial crisis was completely preventable. The party that blocked any attempt to prevent it was ... the Democratic Party. The party that tried to prevent it was ... the Republican Party.

Yet when Nancy Pelosi accused the Bush administration and Republican deregulation of causing the crisis, you in the press did not hold her to account for her lie. Instead, you criticized Republicans who took offense at this lie and refused to vote for the bailout!

What? It's not the liar, but the victims of the lie who are to blame?

Now let's follow the money ... right to the presidential candidate who is the number-two recipient of campaign contributions from Fannie Mae.

And after Franklin Raines, the CEO of Fannie Mae who made $90 million while running it into the ground, was fired for his incompetence, one presidential candidate's campaign actually consulted him for advice on housing.

If that presidential candidate had been John McCain, you would have called it a major scandal and we would be getting stories in your paper every day about how incompetent and corrupt he was.

But instead, that candidate was Barack Obama, and so you have buried this story, and when the McCain campaign dared to call Raines an "adviser" to the Obama campaign -- because that campaign had sought his advice -- you actually let Obama's people get away with accusing McCain of lying, merely because Raines wasn't listed as an official adviser to the Obama campaign.

You would never tolerate such weasely nit-picking from a Republican.

If you who produce our local daily paper actually had any principles, you would be pounding this story, because the prosperity of all Americans was put at risk by the foolish, short-sighted, politically selfish, and possibly corrupt actions of leading Democrats, including Obama.

If you who produce our local daily paper had any personal honor, you would find it unbearable to let the American people believe that somehow Republicans were to blame for this crisis.

There are precedents. Even though President Bush and his administration never said that Iraq sponsored or was linked to 9/11, you could not stand the fact that Americans had that misapprehension -- so you pounded us with the fact that there was no such link. (Along the way, you created the false impression that Bush had lied to them and said that there was a connection.)

If you had any principles, then surely right now, when the American people are set to blame President Bush and John McCain for a crisis they tried to prevent, and are actually shifting to approve of Barack Obama because of a crisis he helped cause, you would be laboring at least as hard to correct that false impression.

Your job, as journalists, is to tell the truth. That's what you claim you do, when you accept people's money to buy or subscribe to your paper.

But right now, you are consenting to or actively promoting a big fat lie -- that the housing crisis should somehow be blamed on Bush, McCain, and the Republicans. You have trained the American people to blame everything bad -- even bad weather -- on Bush, and they are responding as you have taught them to.

If you had any personal honor, each reporter and editor would be insisting on telling the truth -- even if it hurts the election chances of your favorite candidate.

Because that's what honorable people do. Honest people tell the truth even when they don't like the probable consequences. That's what honesty means. That's how trust is earned.

Barack Obama is just another politician, and not a very wise one. He has revealed his ignorance and naivete time after time -- and you have swept it under the rug, treated it as nothing.

Meanwhile, you have participated in the borking of Sarah Palin, reporting savage attacks on her for the pregnancy of her unmarried daughter -- while you ignored the story of John Edwards's own adultery for many months.

So I ask you now: Do you have any standards at all? Do you even know what honesty means?

Is getting people to vote for Barack Obama so important that you will throw away everything that journalism is supposed to stand for?

You might want to remember the way the National Organization of Women threw away their integrity by supporting Bill Clinton despite his well-known pattern of sexual exploitation of powerless women. Who listens to NOW anymore? We know they stand for nothing; they have no principles.

That's where you are right now.

It's not too late. You know that if the situation were reversed, and the truth would damage McCain and help Obama, you would be moving heaven and earth to get the true story out there.

If you want to redeem your honor, you will swallow hard and make a list of all the stories you would print if it were McCain who had been getting money from Fannie Mae, McCain whose campaign had consulted with its discredited former CEO, McCain who had voted against tightening its lending practices.

Then you will print them, even though every one of those true stories will point the finger of blame at the reckless Democratic Party, which put our nation's prosperity at risk so they could feel good about helping the poor, and lay a fair share of the blame at Obama's door.

You will also tell the truth about John McCain: that he tried, as a Senator, to do what it took to prevent this crisis. You will tell the truth about President Bush: that his administration tried more than once to get Congress to regulate lending in a responsible way.

This was a Congress-caused crisis, beginning during the Clinton administration, with Democrats leading the way into the crisis and blocking every effort to get out of it in a timely fashion.

If you at our local daily newspaper continue to let Americans believe --and vote as if -- President Bush and the Republicans caused the crisis, then you are joining in that lie.

If you do not tell the truth about the Democrats -- including Barack Obama -- and do so with the same energy you would use if the miscreants were Republicans -- then you are not journalists by any standard.

You're just the public relations machine of the Democratic Party, and it's time you were all fired and real journalists brought in, so that we can actually have a daily newspaper in our city.

Now let's see who Orson Scott Card is in his own words

I say this as a Democrat, for whom the Republican domination of government threatens many values that I hold to be important to America's role as a light among nations. But there are no values that matter to me that will not be gravely endangered if we lose this war.
Orson Scott Card

Nope not a rightwinger. :wink:

Now let's see who got campaign funds from the famed Fannie and Freddy


Name Office Party/State Total
1. Dodd, Christopher J S D-CT $133,900
2. Kerry, John S D-MA $111,000
3. Obama, Barack S D-IL $105,849
4. Clinton, Hillary S D-NY $75,550

5. Kanjorski, Paul E H D-PA $65,500
6. Bennett, Robert F S R-UT $61,499
7. Johnson, Tim S D-SD $61,000
8. Conrad, Kent S D-ND $58,991
9. Davis, Tom H R-VA $55,499
10. Bond, Christopher S 'Kit' S R-MO $55,400
11. Bachus, Spencer H R-AL $55,300
12. Shelby, Richard C S R-AL $55,000
13. Emanuel, Rahm H D-IL $51,750
14. Reed, Jack S D-RI $50,750
15. Carper, Tom S D-DE $44,389
16. Frank, Barney H D-MA $40,100
17. Maloney, Carolyn B H D-NY $38,750
18. Bean, Melissa H D-IL $37,249
19. Blunt, Roy H R-MO $36,500
20. Pryce, Deborah H R-OH $34,750
21. Miller, Gary H R-CA $33,000
22. Pelosi, Nancy H D-CA $32,750
23. Reynolds, Tom H R-NY $32,700
24. Hoyer, Steny H H D-MD $30,500
25. Hooley, Darlene H D-OR $28,750

source: http://pfds.opensecrets.org/092408.html

The top 5 are all democrats.
7 of the top 10 are democrats.
16 of the top 25 are democrats equalling 64%

Sen.Chris Dodd (D-CT.) chairman of the Senate banking committee
Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL.) Presidential Canidate
Sen. John Kerry (D-MA.) Presidential Canidate
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY.) Presidential Canidate

Just look at the top four (below) and tell me if you don't see a pattern. Notice that Sen. John McCain's (R-AZ.) name does not even appear on this list. Not to say that his campaign never benefited from these mortgage giants, but we can clearly see who's in the tank. Obama makes the top three and hasn't even been a senator for a full term, let alone the 9 years worth of contributions in this list.

Elect Obama ,and keep electing democrats in the House and Senate, and we can look forward to more of the same shenanigans that got our markets into this mess

All the heavy hitters of the Democrat party wow I wonder why the Dems refuse to regulate Fanny and Freddy. :?
BTW does this DEMOCRAT comment remind you of anyone Oldtimer :wink:
you are consenting to or actively promoting a big fat lie -- that the housing crisis should somehow be blamed on Bush, McCain, and the Republicans. You have trained the American people to blame everything bad -- even bad weather -- on Bush, and they are responding as you have taught them to.
 
Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
Oldtimer is like a mutt with a bone. All he sees is a way of bashing a conservative Tea Party member and his mind shuts down to COMMON SENSE. :roll:

Oldtimer we are still waiting for you to comment on this topic

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52837

and this one that has a zipper alert just for you. :wink:

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=529769#529769

Same O Tam-- try to blame the messenger and change the subject...

So now do you think Fanny and Freddie are good programs like some seem to be flipflopping and saying ?

Or are you like Congresswoman Bachmann and only think its a good program when you are getting benefits by using it - but don't think it should be available for anyone else in the country to use?

Typical Oldtimer Putting words in my mouth that I didn't say :roll:

Do you have ANY PROOF that Michele knew who bought her mortgage? :?

Can you grasp the facts that when a person gets a mortgage, the BANK SELLS IT to get money to make more loans and you really have no say in WHO BUYS IT FROM THE BANK. :roll:

Tell us oh wise one Does your son know who really owns his cheap lake front property low interest mortgage? Does he know for sure his bank didn't sell his mortgage to Fanny or Freddy so they have the money to make another loan? :roll:


What makes you think the boy had to get a loan? Maybe he's not a broke ass Canadian and just paid for the place???

Guess that IS foreign to you...prob had to borrow money for everything you got.
 
jingo2 said:
Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
Same O Tam-- try to blame the messenger and change the subject...

So now do you think Fanny and Freddie are good programs like some seem to be flipflopping and saying ?

Or are you like Congresswoman Bachmann and only think its a good program when you are getting benefits by using it - but don't think it should be available for anyone else in the country to use?

Typical Oldtimer Putting words in my mouth that I didn't say :roll:

Do you have ANY PROOF that Michele knew who bought her mortgage? :?

Can you grasp the facts that when a person gets a mortgage, the BANK SELLS IT to get money to make more loans and you really have no say in WHO BUYS IT FROM THE BANK. :roll:

Tell us oh wise one Does your son know who really owns his cheap lake front property low interest mortgage? Does he know for sure his bank didn't sell his mortgage to Fanny or Freddy so they have the money to make another loan? :roll:


What makes you think the boy had to get a loan? Maybe he's not a broke ass Canadian and just paid for the place???

Guess that IS foreign to you...prob had to borrow money for everything you got.
ss
kolo=jingo=lulu=allie, it is plain to see that your brain transplant failed,
Paying cash is not really the smart way to do business!!!!! Unless of course you are only a pretend millionaire like you!!! :wink: :wink: Most all major companies and banks try not to use their own money unless absolutely necessary. Go back to sleep and let REAL people go about the day
 
Tam wrote:

The other day The Tax Cheat was asked what his plan was if the Congress didn't make a deal and his answer was. He didn't have one because the Congress were going to raise it. This is the genius that Obama put his faith in to fix the economy two years ago and he has NO BACK UP PLAN to stop a default on the US debt
.

I believe this to be true- I believe this is all smoke and mirrors to put on a good show for the American people! then they will pass something to raise the limit!

The scary thing is what is going on right now that they are using this phony dillema to cover up? the media is so busy covering what the right hand is doing that no one is watching the left.
TAM- I am sure they have a plan. It is just not one we are going to like, but this is all planned.
 
Faster horses said:
Reid tried blaming it on the Tea Party this morning.

You know I just love the Dems they are bashing the Tea Party members for not giving them what they want. Is that not the reason the American voters sent the Tea Party candidate to Washington? :?

SO THE DEMS WOULDN"T GET WHAT THEY WANT which is to bankrupt the US with their socialist agenda.

I hear when Obama addressed the nation and asked the voters to call their Congressman, the phones were ringing but not in the way Obama wanted. :wink:

Then you have this

Jon Stewart unimpressed by Obama's debt speech: 'Did the president just quit?'
Posted on 07.27.11
By Kase Wickman
On Tuesday night's "The Daily Show," Jon Stewart broke down President Barack Obama's address to the nation about the looming deficit.

When Obama implored the country to send a message to their Congress members, Stewart had had enough.

"Did the president just quit?" he asked. "Did that — seriously, you're the president. Did you just ask us to call Congress? Yeah, sure, I'll call the Congress: 'why don't you come here and mow my lawn, because I've got **** to do.'"

When Obama loses Jon Stewart you know the guy has got problems :shock: :lol:

Maybe just maybe Obama needs to stop campaigning and playing golf and do his own work before he has to cut the golf greens for tips.
 
jingo2 said:
Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
Same O Tam-- try to blame the messenger and change the subject...

So now do you think Fanny and Freddie are good programs like some seem to be flipflopping and saying ?

Or are you like Congresswoman Bachmann and only think its a good program when you are getting benefits by using it - but don't think it should be available for anyone else in the country to use?

Typical Oldtimer Putting words in my mouth that I didn't say :roll:

Do you have ANY PROOF that Michele knew who bought her mortgage? :?

Can you grasp the facts that when a person gets a mortgage, the BANK SELLS IT to get money to make more loans and you really have no say in WHO BUYS IT FROM THE BANK. :roll:

Tell us oh wise one Does your son know who really owns his cheap lake front property low interest mortgage? Does he know for sure his bank didn't sell his mortgage to Fanny or Freddy so they have the money to make another loan? :roll:


What makes you think the boy had to get a loan? Maybe he's not a broke ass Canadian and just paid for the place???

Guess that IS foreign to you...prob had to borrow money for everything you got.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Oldtimer said:
This always makes me chuckle- some of those that scream the loudest about government programs, grants, and subsidies-- are the first to dip into the cookie jar...

Bachmann benefitted from federal home loan program

By Kimberly Kindy, Tuesday, July 26, 10:08 AM
Like many members of Congress, Rep. Michele Bachmann has been a fierce critic of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, blaming the government-backed loan programs for excesses that helped create the financial meltdown in 2008.

And like millions of other home purchasers, Bachmann took out a home loan in 2008 that offered lower costs to the borrower through one of the federally subsidized programs, according to mortgage experts who reviewed her loan documents.

Bachmann benefitted from federal home loan program
Just a few weeks before Bachmann called for dismantling the programs during a House Financial Services Committee hearing, she and her husband signed for a $417,000 home loan to help finance their move to a 5,200-square-foot golf course home, public records show. Experts who examined the loan documents for The Washington Post say they are confident that the loan was backed by Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac.


Seeing problems with the programs — especially the high costs to taxpayers — hasn't stopped a concerned public or other members of Congress from taking advantage of the lower interest rates that come due to government backing.

Bachmann has been the most outspoken critic of the loan programs and other government subsidies among Republican presidential candidates. Former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty also has called for dismantling Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Experts who reviewed his mortgage documents said there is no way to tell whether his home loan from 1994 had government backing.

Bachmann's mortgage loan was part of a package of debt that she and her husband, Marcus, assumed to buy their home, public records show. They also have other loans, including a home equity line of credit, a business mortgage and another business loan for their Christian counseling clinics, bringing their liabilities to more than $1 million, according to the most recently available public records.

The Bachmanns' assets, according to her latest financial disclosure statement, range between $862,018 and $2 million.

Their total income has not been disclosed, but Bachmann earns $174,000 as a member of Congress. There is no evidence that they cannot support their current debt.

In her public life, Bachmann has criticized government subsidies and said that federally backed home lending programs place an undue burden on taxpayers.

She is also a leading critic of expanding the federal debt limit. "When managing your family budget, you don't spend money you don't have," she said in a statement last year, "and our government should be no different."

The couple's personal finances have come under recent scrutiny with disclosures that they and family members have accepted subsidies for both a family farm and for Bachmann & Associates counseling clinics.

Fannie and Freddie to NOT originate and process loans. They purchase loans that have been originated, processed and closed by local institutions, then package the loans and sell them as mortgage backed securities.
 
Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
Oldtimer is like a mutt with a bone. All he sees is a way of bashing a conservative Tea Party member and his mind shuts down to COMMON SENSE. :roll:

Oldtimer we are still waiting for you to comment on this topic

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52837

and this one that has a zipper alert just for you. :wink:

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=529769#529769

Same O Tam-- try to blame the messenger and change the subject...

So now do you think Fanny and Freddie are good programs like some seem to be flipflopping and saying ?

Or are you like Congresswoman Bachmann and only think its a good program when you are getting benefits by using it - but don't think it should be available for anyone else in the country to use?

Typical Oldtimer Putting words in my mouth that I didn't say :roll:

Do you have ANY PROOF that Michele knew who bought her mortgage? :?

Can you grasp the facts that when a person gets a mortgage, the BANK SELLS IT to get money to make more loans and you really have no say in WHO BUYS IT FROM THE BANK. :roll:

Tell us oh wise one Does your son know who really owns his cheap lake front property low interest mortgage? Does he know for sure his bank didn't sell his mortgage to Fanny or Freddy so they have the money to make another loan? :roll:

Otimer, fess up now, what national office is your son running for, or considering a run for??? Kinda stupid of him not to look at his finances before he starts criticizing institutions he may be utilizing in his finances. Geesh.
 
TSR said:
Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
Same O Tam-- try to blame the messenger and change the subject...

So now do you think Fanny and Freddie are good programs like some seem to be flipflopping and saying ?

Or are you like Congresswoman Bachmann and only think its a good program when you are getting benefits by using it - but don't think it should be available for anyone else in the country to use?

Typical Oldtimer Putting words in my mouth that I didn't say :roll:

Do you have ANY PROOF that Michele knew who bought her mortgage? :?

Can you grasp the facts that when a person gets a mortgage, the BANK SELLS IT to get money to make more loans and you really have no say in WHO BUYS IT FROM THE BANK. :roll:

Tell us oh wise one Does your son know who really owns his cheap lake front property low interest mortgage? Does he know for sure his bank didn't sell his mortgage to Fanny or Freddy so they have the money to make another loan? :roll:

Otimer, fess up now, what national office is your son running for, or considering a run for??? Kinda stupid of him not to look at his finances before he starts criticizing institutions he may be utilizing in his finances. Geesh.

:lol: :wink: Yep TSR--but the cultist sheep will attack anyone to protect their cults den....Even your children who have no dog in the hunt... :(

It does make you wonder tho- if Bachmann was so knowledgeable an expert on the programs- that she was so vociferous at shutting down those Federal programs-why wasn't she knowledgeable enough to check who was holding her note..Especially when it appears it didn't take much to find out... :???:
 

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