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Just for the idiot...

Steve

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that is fine....but, not one person has challenged my "theories" yet. that is because they are facts. just try one of them.

already did... but you never answered...

Steve said:
shaumei said:
what does barium do to humans? is it lethal and can it be a cause of low conception rates? does the government have the right without our consent to spray you, me, your children, animals, neighbors etc....

are you really that gullible???

Barium is a soft silvery metallic alkaline earth metal. It is never found in nature due to its reactivity with air. Because barium quickly oxidizes in air, it is difficult to obtain the metal and it is never found in nature.

Barium reacts exothermically with oxygen at room temperature, The reaction is violent It also reacts violently with dilute acids, alcohol and water

so spraying it in a contrail.. loaded with condensate (water) would cause a "violent reaction"

yep.. and that resulting violent reaction will scare us into lower birth rates... :?
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Steve,

do you deny they are spraying us? or do you believe they are? what do you believe they are spraying and why? why has the government continued to deny it?
 

Steve

Well-known member
you went on a rant and said they were spraying US with barium


I just showed the folly of that comment..

if you spray barium in a contrail.. it will have a violent reaction..

even if they could avoid the contrail.. (the main point of your theory.).

Barium reacts exothermically with oxygen at room temperature, The reaction is violent.



thus your theory fails to stand the test of FACTS..
 

Steve

Well-known member
shaumei said:
Do not be brainwashed by Jewish Controlled Media and Hollywood:

What is the evidence that 6,000,000 Jews were killed in the Nazi gas chambers?Were the Nazis really
that bad -- no different than the fanatic, fascist, irrational, vicious, money-grubbing, "Christian" Republicans
and Jewish No-con Zionist Globalists controlling the world today)?

actually after reading this post... I realized I had given you way to much credit when I called you an idiot...
 

Lonecowboy

Well-known member
I believe Shaumei is Oldtimers alter ego! :D
remember his post from a few days ago about rape and pillage?
and now:
"fanatic, fascist, irrational, vicious, money-grubbing, "Christian" Republicans"

right out of ot's playbook.
 

Steve

Well-known member
that is fine....but, not one person has challenged my "theories" yet. that is because they are facts. just try one of them.

what no answer?

can't stay on topic can ya... are you having difficulty with simple tasks?

or still trying to figure out the style of architecture in Building seven?.. or how much Diesel fuel was in the power station it was built over?..

or are you mixing up some more barium and water??? :?
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
Lonecowboy said:
I believe Shaumei is Oldtimers alter ego! :D
remember his post from a few days ago about rape and pillage?
and now:
"fanatic, fascist, irrational, vicious, money-grubbing, "Christian" Republicans"

right out of ot's playbook.

I too was wondering the same. Today OT went on to compare us all to shamaui. Just makes you wonder if OT has created this character, so he can use the strawmen arguments he likes so much.
 

Mike

Well-known member
Somebody has been reading and/or watching WAAAAAYY too much Alex Jones.

Not saying he is not right about some things. But he does cross the line on occasions.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Steve said:
that is fine....but, not one person has challenged my "theories" yet. that is because they are facts. just try one of them.

what no answer?

can't stay on topic can ya... are you having difficulty with simple tasks?

or still trying to figure out the style of architecture in Building seven?.. or how much Diesel fuel was in the power station it was built over?..

or are you mixing up some more barium and water??? :?

Steve,

here is your response:

BARIUM TESTS ARE POSITIVE
Clifford E Carnicom
Santa Fe, New Mexico
May 24 2004

A series of qualitative chemical tests and deductions now confirm without doubt the presence of significant amounts of barium within atmospheric samples. Citizens may now begin the process of collecting the sample materials for formal submission to public environmental agencies and private labs for identification. The testing process can be done at modest expense and the results from laboratory analysis can now be qualitatively and independently verified without great difficulty. Any testing service employed will need to be able to demonstrate no vested interest in the outcome of the results, accuracy of method, and the willingness to have the testing process independently monitored.

The material under analysis has been collected by a plate ionizing filter; it may also be collected with conventional fiber filtration over a longer period of time. HEPA filter collection and subsequent electrolysis of the filter material placed in distilled water has also proven successful. Extended time periods may be required to collect a sufficient volume of material for electrolytic processing and external testing preferences. Readers are referred to previous articles1,2 for two methods of collection. The use of electrolysis is significant in producing a final compound for testing purposes. The solid materials (powder/ crystals) collected by the plate ionizing filter, assuming they satisify the test procedures described on this page, will be sufficient for laboratory analysis. Qualitative chemical tests and flame tests positively establish the significant presence of barium compounds within the atmospheric sample.

Citizens with sufficient environmental concern are encouraged to begin this process of sample collection and identification, along with the documentation of the responses of both public and private environmental services.



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Additional Notes:

The process of collection and analysis is summarized as follows:

1. Solid materials are collected with the use of a plate ionizing filter or fiber based filters as described previously.1,2

2. The material can be subjected to low power microscopic viewing to verify similiarity of material form before proceeding. The powder/crystal material under collection has a tan, beige or gray cast to it. The presence of fibrous materials within the sample is not the focus of this report, and further analysis of those materials may occur at a later time.

3. The solid powder/crystal material that is the subject of this report will be found to dissolve easily within distilled water. Extremely small samples have been used for all tests as the material requires time and effort to collect in sufficient quantity. For testing purposes, samples of a fraction of a gram have been dissolved within a few milliliters of distilled water.

4. Solutions of higher concentrations, e.g., 1 part solid to 3 parts water will be found to be strongly alkaline. This indicates the presence of a base and hydroxide ions. A pH value of 9 was recorded in the test that is the subject of this report.

5. A weak solution (fraction of a gram to 40ml water) will be found to permit significant electrolysis reactions. A variety of electrodes have been used to verify the chemical results, including aluminum, iron, copper, silver and graphite electrodes. The work at this point establishes the presence of a soluble metallic hydroxide form in solution.

6. Chromatography experiments and comparative analysis allows us to conclude that the atomic mass of the metallic cation under examination is greater than that of copper, or greater than 63.5 atomic mass units.3 Cations under reasonable consideration4 therefore include:

Ag+, Au+2, Ba+2, Bi+3, Cd+2, Ce+4, Cs+, Ga+3, Hg+2, Pb+2, Rb+, Sb+3, Sn+2, Sr+2

7. The results of electrolysis with graphite electrodes permits us to conclude that a reactive metal is a component5 of the metallic hydroxide under examination.

8. The electrochemical series and the half-reaction electrode potentials are therefore consulted6,7 to establish a list of reasonable candidates for the cation of the metallic salt which disassociates in solution to permit electrolysis. The list of candidate cations, with the condition of hydroxide formation included, is now reduced to:

Ba+2, Sr+2, Rb+ and Cs+ with oxidation potentials of 2.91, 2.90, 2.98 and 3.03 volts respectively.

It is noticed that this group is now closely confined within the periodic table, and that chemical properties of these elements are in many ways shared. It is also instructive to note the remarkable similiarity in the work functions of these elements, which is an expression of the ionization capabililty of the element.

9. Each of these cations must form a soluble hydroxide. Solubility tables8 indicate that these conditions are satisified by each of the hydroxide forms: Ba(OH)2, Sr(OH)2, RbOH and CsOH.

10. Practical levels of worldwide production of the elements are helpful to consider9. Barium and strontium both are produced at high tonnage levels worldwide, rubidium and cesium are inconsequential in production. Barium production is stated at 6 million tons per year, strontium at 137,000 tons, cesium at 20 tons and rubidium in such low levels as to not be available. Common hydroxide forms are also to be considered in this analysis. This reduces the candidate cation list to strontium and barium, whereupon additional conditions of qualitative testing are to be imposed.

11. The material in solution must produce a cation and a hydroxide ion in solution. Precipitate tests are conducted with carbonate, oxalate and sulfate compounds for the existence of barium or strontium ions, using a combination of the unknown with sodium carbonate, sodium oxalate and copper sulfate10. The material in question forms a precipitate under all three conditions. The consideration of barium hydroxide and strontium hydroxide continues to be valid under under these results.

12. The precipitate formed with the use of copper sulfate is hypothesized to be barium sulfate. The precipitate formed under electrolysis is also hypothesized to be a barium sulphate compound. Solubility tests are necessary to test this hypothesis. The precipitate and the compound formed from electrolysis pass the solubility tests when subjected to water, hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid and ethanol. The identification of barium sulphate remains valid. The sulfate precipitate fails the solubility test for strontium sulfate, as strontium sulfate is soluble in hydrochloric acid. The sulphate compound that has been formed by both displacement and electrolysis is highly insoluble, and is insoluble in hydrochloric acid.

13. The solubility test for barium carbonate should also be verified. The carbonate precipitate is soluble in hydrochloric acid and passes this test. The identification of barium compounds in the analysis remains valid. No solubility tests for barium oxalate are specified11.

14. The next test which is to be conducted is the flame test. Barium burns yellow-green under the flame test12,13. A sample of the electrolysis compound, identified as barium sulphate, is subjected to a flame test using a nichrome wire. The compound is observed to burn with a yellow-green color. The identification of barium compounds within the analysis is valid under all conditions and circumstances examined.

15. The final test is a viewing of the spectrum of the flame test with a calibrated spectroscope and an optical spectroscope. Dominant green and yellow emission spectral lines are measured at approximately 515 (wider line, boundary line) and 587 nanometers (narrow and distinct), they are confirmed with the optical spectroscope, and they correspond to the green and yellow wavelengths specified for the flame test. A secondary wide line in the green portion of the spectrum borders at approximately 560nm. For comparison purposes, the spectrum of barium chloride and barium hydroxide test salts in solution appears and measures identically within the green portion of the spectrum. The identification of barium compounds within the analysis remains valid under all conditions and examined and tests conducted.



The most reasonable hypothesis at this point is that the original compound is a barium oxide form. This compound readily combines with water to form barium hydroxide. The ionizing plate filter and the fiber filter both appear to be successful at accumulating the solid form of this metallic salt. Solubility, pH, precipitation, chromatography, electrode, electrolysis, flame, spectroscopy and spectroscopy comparison tests all support the conclusion within this report that significant levels of barium compounds have been verified to exist and are now to be examined in the atmospheric sampling process. This report corroborates, at an elevated level, the previous research that is available on this site.

This page is subject to revision.


References:

1. Clifford E Carnicom, Electrolysis and Barium, (http://www.carnicom.com/precip1.htm), May 27, 2002
2. Carnicom, Sub-Micron Particulates Isolated, (http://www.carnicom.com/micro3.htm), Apr 26, 2004
3. Frank Eshelman, Ph.D., MicroChem Manual (Frank Eschelman, www.microchemkits.com, 2003), 1-4, 76.
4. Gordon J. Coleman, The Addison-Wesley Science Handbook (Addison-Wesley, 1997), 130.
5. Andrew Hunt, A-Z Chemistry, (McGraw-Hill, 2003), 125.
6. David R. Lide, CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, (CRC Press, 2001), 8-21 to 8-31.
7. Fred C. Hess, Chemistry Made Simple, (Doubleday, 1984), 89, 91.
8. Lide, 4-37 to 4-96.
9. John Emsley, The Elements, (Clarendon Press, 1998), 30-31, 46-47, 176-177, 196-197.
10. University of Nebraska-Lincoln, The Identification of Ions, (http://dwb.unl.edu/Chemistry/LABS/LABS10.html)
11. Lide, 4-44.
12. Hunt, 152-153.
13. Infoplease Encyclopedia, Flame Test, (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0818856.html)

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jingo2

Well-known member
Now I'm not gonna go back thru 5 yrs of posts like some do.......BUT...

somewhere I read that you, Steve, do not like for people to call posters names and have fussed at several for doing so....

Slip off that HighRoad have we???


Why call this person an idiot?? You got proof???

You should be ashamed............ talking outta both sides of your mouth.

It is an art and you've mastered it...
 

Steve

Well-known member
I called him an Idiot because of his abusive post towards members of this board..

sometimes the highroad is not an effective way to deal with an obnoxious person.
 

Steve

Well-known member
shaumei said:
Steve said:
that is fine....but, not one person has challenged my "theories" yet. that is because they are facts. just try one of them.

what no answer?

can't stay on topic can ya... are you having difficulty with simple tasks?

or still trying to figure out the style of architecture in Building seven?.. or how much Diesel fuel was in the power station it was built over?..

or are you mixing up some more barium and water??? :?

Steve,

here is your response:

BARIUM TESTS ARE POSITIVE
Clifford E Carnicom
Santa Fe, New Mexico
May 24 2004

A series of qualitative chemical tests and deductions now confirm without doubt the presence of significant amounts of barium within atmospheric samples. Citizens may now begin the process of collecting the sample materials for formal submission to public environmental agencies and private labs for identification. The testing process can be done at modest expense and the results from laboratory analysis can now be qualitatively and independently verified without great difficulty. Any testing service employed will need to be able to demonstrate no vested interest in the outcome of the results, accuracy of method, and the willingness to have the testing process independently monitored.

The material under analysis has been collected by a plate ionizing filter; it may also be collected with conventional fiber filtration over a longer period of time. HEPA filter collection and subsequent electrolysis of the filter material placed in distilled water has also proven successful. Extended time periods may be required to collect a sufficient volume of material for electrolytic processing and external testing preferences. Readers are referred to previous articles1,2 for two methods of collection. The use of electrolysis is significant in producing a final compound for testing purposes. The solid materials (powder/ crystals) collected by the plate ionizing filter, assuming they satisify the test procedures described on this page, will be sufficient for laboratory analysis. Qualitative chemical tests and flame tests positively establish the significant presence of barium compounds within the atmospheric sample.

Citizens with sufficient environmental concern are encouraged to begin this process of sample collection and identification, along with the documentation of the responses of both public and private environmental services.



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Additional Notes:

The process of collection and analysis is summarized as follows:

1. Solid materials are collected with the use of a plate ionizing filter or fiber based filters as described previously.1,2

2. The material can be subjected to low power microscopic viewing to verify similiarity of material form before proceeding. The powder/crystal material under collection has a tan, beige or gray cast to it. The presence of fibrous materials within the sample is not the focus of this report, and further analysis of those materials may occur at a later time.

3. The solid powder/crystal material that is the subject of this report will be found to dissolve easily within distilled water. Extremely small samples have been used for all tests as the material requires time and effort to collect in sufficient quantity. For testing purposes, samples of a fraction of a gram have been dissolved within a few milliliters of distilled water.

4. Solutions of higher concentrations, e.g., 1 part solid to 3 parts water will be found to be strongly alkaline. This indicates the presence of a base and hydroxide ions. A pH value of 9 was recorded in the test that is the subject of this report.

5. A weak solution (fraction of a gram to 40ml water) will be found to permit significant electrolysis reactions. A variety of electrodes have been used to verify the chemical results, including aluminum, iron, copper, silver and graphite electrodes. The work at this point establishes the presence of a soluble metallic hydroxide form in solution.

6. Chromatography experiments and comparative analysis allows us to conclude that the atomic mass of the metallic cation under examination is greater than that of copper, or greater than 63.5 atomic mass units.3 Cations under reasonable consideration4 therefore include:

Ag+, Au+2, Ba+2, Bi+3, Cd+2, Ce+4, Cs+, Ga+3, Hg+2, Pb+2, Rb+, Sb+3, Sn+2, Sr+2

7. The results of electrolysis with graphite electrodes permits us to conclude that a reactive metal is a component5 of the metallic hydroxide under examination.

8. The electrochemical series and the half-reaction electrode potentials are therefore consulted6,7 to establish a list of reasonable candidates for the cation of the metallic salt which disassociates in solution to permit electrolysis. The list of candidate cations, with the condition of hydroxide formation included, is now reduced to:

Ba+2, Sr+2, Rb+ and Cs+ with oxidation potentials of 2.91, 2.90, 2.98 and 3.03 volts respectively.

It is noticed that this group is now closely confined within the periodic table, and that chemical properties of these elements are in many ways shared. It is also instructive to note the remarkable similiarity in the work functions of these elements, which is an expression of the ionization capabililty of the element.

9. Each of these cations must form a soluble hydroxide. Solubility tables8 indicate that these conditions are satisified by each of the hydroxide forms: Ba(OH)2, Sr(OH)2, RbOH and CsOH.

10. Practical levels of worldwide production of the elements are helpful to consider9. Barium and strontium both are produced at high tonnage levels worldwide, rubidium and cesium are inconsequential in production. Barium production is stated at 6 million tons per year, strontium at 137,000 tons, cesium at 20 tons and rubidium in such low levels as to not be available. Common hydroxide forms are also to be considered in this analysis. This reduces the candidate cation list to strontium and barium, whereupon additional conditions of qualitative testing are to be imposed.

11. The material in solution must produce a cation and a hydroxide ion in solution. Precipitate tests are conducted with carbonate, oxalate and sulfate compounds for the existence of barium or strontium ions, using a combination of the unknown with sodium carbonate, sodium oxalate and copper sulfate10. The material in question forms a precipitate under all three conditions. The consideration of barium hydroxide and strontium hydroxide continues to be valid under under these results.

12. The precipitate formed with the use of copper sulfate is hypothesized to be barium sulfate. The precipitate formed under electrolysis is also hypothesized to be a barium sulphate compound. Solubility tests are necessary to test this hypothesis. The precipitate and the compound formed from electrolysis pass the solubility tests when subjected to water, hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid and ethanol. The identification of barium sulphate remains valid. The sulfate precipitate fails the solubility test for strontium sulfate, as strontium sulfate is soluble in hydrochloric acid. The sulphate compound that has been formed by both displacement and electrolysis is highly insoluble, and is insoluble in hydrochloric acid.

13. The solubility test for barium carbonate should also be verified. The carbonate precipitate is soluble in hydrochloric acid and passes this test. The identification of barium compounds in the analysis remains valid. No solubility tests for barium oxalate are specified11.

14. The next test which is to be conducted is the flame test. Barium burns yellow-green under the flame test12,13. A sample of the electrolysis compound, identified as barium sulphate, is subjected to a flame test using a nichrome wire. The compound is observed to burn with a yellow-green color. The identification of barium compounds within the analysis is valid under all conditions and circumstances examined.

15. The final test is a viewing of the spectrum of the flame test with a calibrated spectroscope and an optical spectroscope. Dominant green and yellow emission spectral lines are measured at approximately 515 (wider line, boundary line) and 587 nanometers (narrow and distinct), they are confirmed with the optical spectroscope, and they correspond to the green and yellow wavelengths specified for the flame test. A secondary wide line in the green portion of the spectrum borders at approximately 560nm. For comparison purposes, the spectrum of barium chloride and barium hydroxide test salts in solution appears and measures identically within the green portion of the spectrum. The identification of barium compounds within the analysis remains valid under all conditions and examined and tests conducted.



The most reasonable hypothesis at this point is that the original compound is a barium oxide form. This compound readily combines with water to form barium hydroxide. The ionizing plate filter and the fiber filter both appear to be successful at accumulating the solid form of this metallic salt. Solubility, pH, precipitation, chromatography, electrode, electrolysis, flame, spectroscopy and spectroscopy comparison tests all support the conclusion within this report that significant levels of barium compounds have been verified to exist and are now to be examined in the atmospheric sampling process. This report corroborates, at an elevated level, the previous research that is available on this site.

This page is subject to revision.


References:

1. Clifford E Carnicom, Electrolysis and Barium, (http://www.carnicom.com/precip1.htm), May 27, 2002
2. Carnicom, Sub-Micron Particulates Isolated, (http://www.carnicom.com/micro3.htm), Apr 26, 2004
3. Frank Eshelman, Ph.D., MicroChem Manual (Frank Eschelman, www.microchemkits.com, 2003), 1-4, 76.
4. Gordon J. Coleman, The Addison-Wesley Science Handbook (Addison-Wesley, 1997), 130.
5. Andrew Hunt, A-Z Chemistry, (McGraw-Hill, 2003), 125.
6. David R. Lide, CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, (CRC Press, 2001), 8-21 to 8-31.
7. Fred C. Hess, Chemistry Made Simple, (Doubleday, 1984), 89, 91.
8. Lide, 4-37 to 4-96.
9. John Emsley, The Elements, (Clarendon Press, 1998), 30-31, 46-47, 176-177, 196-197.
10. University of Nebraska-Lincoln, The Identification of Ions, (http://dwb.unl.edu/Chemistry/LABS/LABS10.html)
11. Lide, 4-44.
12. Hunt, 152-153.
13. Infoplease Encyclopedia, Flame Test, (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0818856.html)

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can you read?

how is a testing procedure proof of the government spraying "barium"
on US?


BTW... from one of the references.. seems you missed a word..


Methods have been developed over the last several months which appear to confirm the existence of extraordinary levels of barium within our atmosphere.

so your theory is not fact.. your "testing procedure" has not stood up to scientific methods and it has no proof the government is involved, let alone spraying it in a contrail.. which would cause a violent reaction...
 

Steve

Well-known member
from same referance..

precip37.JPG


notice the absent Barium on their lab test results...
 

Steve

Well-known member
jingo2 said:
Now I'm not gonna go back thru 5 yrs of posts like some do.......BUT...

somewhere I read that you, Steve, do not like for people to call posters names and have fussed at several for doing so....

Slip off that HighRoad have we???


Why call this person an idiot?? You got proof???

You should be ashamed............ talking outta both sides of your mouth.

It is an art and you've mastered it...

you know, it wasn't long ago that you chastised a person for stepping into "your" conversation on an open thread..

I even made it a point to "only" ask for the Idiot to join...
 

Steve

Well-known member
Tam said:
http://www.nmsr.org/chemtrls.htm

I realize they disprove some of the statements and methodology..

but they don't go far enough... the 6.8 is not barium.. but organic solids..
 

hopalong

Well-known member
Steve ya notice that when you used the word idiot, kojingo took offense because you were referring to someone else not her :D :D
 

hopalong

Well-known member
If you notice the video that shamooo offers of evidence is english dubbed .
originally filmed not in the U.S.
It is also obious that they now nothing about condensation forming on an aircraft, I/E icing!!!!!!!!and how this condensation follows the arircraft leaving a contrail.
If they were sprayiing any thing there would be enough residue to kill anyone coming in contact with that aircraft upon landing, or are they flying the plane through a special in air car wash? :roll:


woooooooo ohhhhhhhhhhhhh oooooooooooo gimme a tinfoil helmet, to wear in my special bomb shelter
:roll:
 
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