Soap: "Guess what, I haven't read your stuff for many moons, but since I initiated this post, I'd kind of like to keep up with it."
Soap: "Your pathetic attitude has given R-Calf more new members than any recruiting agent possibly could. I do hope you are happy."
OT: "You know I would never make a cattle buyer-- every time I was buying cattle from an NCBA member, in the back of my mind would be the thought that if they can support and promote lying to, deceiving, and defrauding consumers about what country their beef comes from- what would keep them from deceiving the buyers on shots, antibiotics, feed, and birthdates"
That's just another clever ploy for blamers like Fedup and OT to try to silence me so they don't have to be faced with the facts that oppose their empty blaming positions. I can't believe that you would actually believe such nonsense.
~SH~ said:As far as my pathetic attitude, I don't care what you think of me or the manner in which I post. Seriously, I don't! I'm going to keep hammering these empty allegations every chance I get in the manner in which I choose. If you don't like it, too bad. Start your own forum and run it the way you see fit. I don't like liars and I don't like deceivers and that attitude will continue to be reflected in my posts.
~SH~
Oldtimer said:You know I would never make a cattle buyer-- every time I was buying cattle from an NCBA member, in the back of my mind would be the thought that if they can support and promote lying to, deceiving, and defrauding consumers about what country their beef comes from- what would keep them from deceiving the buyers on shots, antibiotics, feed, and birthdates :???:
Soapweed said:Oldtimer said:You know I would never make a cattle buyer-- every time I was buying cattle from an NCBA member, in the back of my mind would be the thought that if they can support and promote lying to, deceiving, and defrauding consumers about what country their beef comes from- what would keep them from deceiving the buyers on shots, antibiotics, feed, and birthdates :???:
I really don't think you can take the high road on this, Oldtimer. You are a straight shooting honest man in my book, but there are others out there who are the same and they are NCBA members. Just because a package of beef says "USDA inspected" doesn't necessarily imply, infer, or guarantee that it is a product that is bred, born, fed, butchered, and processed in the USA.
Fedup: "Not too many people worry about being beat up by Tiny Tim & a lot less are worried about silencing a mental midget like you Sh!tHead!"
Oldtimer said:Soapweed said:Oldtimer said:You know I would never make a cattle buyer-- every time I was buying cattle from an NCBA member, in the back of my mind would be the thought that if they can support and promote lying to, deceiving, and defrauding consumers about what country their beef comes from- what would keep them from deceiving the buyers on shots, antibiotics, feed, and birthdates :???:
I really don't think you can take the high road on this, Oldtimer. You are a straight shooting honest man in my book, but there are others out there who are the same and they are NCBA members. Just because a package of beef says "USDA inspected" doesn't necessarily imply, infer, or guarantee that it is a product that is bred, born, fed, butchered, and processed in the USA.
But that is what is assumed by the consumer- and the Packers/Retailers know it....Thats the reason they have spent a fortune fighting any COOL law... And NCBA since their 1999 flipflop have done nothing to change that assumption to the consumers/ instead they have promoted allowing the Packers/retailers to do it- where they now can go so far as to cut off the foreign markings and slapping on the USDA inspected stamp when it has never been inspected by a USDA employee...That is fraud and mislabeling in my book and under most state laws....
Soapweed said:Oldtimer said:Soapweed said:I really don't think you can take the high road on this, Oldtimer. You are a straight shooting honest man in my book, but there are others out there who are the same and they are NCBA members. Just because a package of beef says "USDA inspected" doesn't necessarily imply, infer, or guarantee that it is a product that is bred, born, fed, butchered, and processed in the USA.
But that is what is assumed by the consumer- and the Packers/Retailers know it....Thats the reason they have spent a fortune fighting any COOL law... And NCBA since their 1999 flipflop have done nothing to change that assumption to the consumers/ instead they have promoted allowing the Packers/retailers to do it- where they now can go so far as to cut off the foreign markings and slapping on the USDA inspected stamp when it has never been inspected by a USDA employee...That is fraud and mislabeling in my book and under most state laws....
I think that NCBA originally got on the bandwagon thinking COOL was a good idea. Upon further reflection, they realized the costly logistics of implementing such a program, and realized it would be an unrecoverable cost to producers. Unless it has traceback (mandatory identification), it would be of no use anyway. I personally don't want mandatory ID just because it would be a lot of hassle. For the same reason, I don't want COOL. Life is good just the way it is.
It is bad enough just giving all the preconditioning shots. Believe it or not, I am an honest man even if I am an NCBA member. If I say the calves have had their shots, they have had their shots. The darned vaccine costs way too much money to just go bury it in a blowout and not go ahead and give it to the calves.
Fedup: "I have no use for cyber-space wanna-be tough guys Sh!tHead. Nor spinners, diverters, deceivers, & liars like you!"
OT: "But that is what is assumed by the consumer- and the Packers/Retailers know it....Thats the reason they have spent a fortune fighting any COOL law... And NCBA since their 1999 flipflop have done nothing to change that assumption to the consumers/ instead they have promoted allowing the Packers/retailers to do it- where they now can go so far as to cut off the foreign markings and slapping on the USDA inspected stamp when it has never been inspected by a USDA employee...That is fraud and mislabeling in my book and under most state laws...."
MRJ said:Sandhusker said:MRJ, "When are you going to present factual evidence that there is beef coming into the USA with residues of any illegal drugs?"
Would you care, MRJ? I mean, really? If the NCBA hasn't said anything about it, do you really care?
Here's one example; Ditrim is an antibiotic that is forbidden to use in food animals here in the US - yet it is routinely used in CAFTA countries. Now please don't ask me to prove any residues from antibiotics.
Sandhusker, your attempt to denigrate me personally by implying that I probably do not care if there are illegal substances in beef is a cheap shot, at best.
There have been many times when I have written about and promoted beef safety on this very site. There were also years when I served on the SD Beef Council, and on one or more committees of SD Cattlemen and/or NCBA involving working to improve beef safety in various ways.
What, specifically, have you done to advance beef safety?
Why is Ditrim illegal in the USA, and do you have evidence that it actually is used on cattle which would be sent to the USA?
Then, there is the question of illegal uses of legal or illegal drugs in the USA, including ignoring withdrawal times. You have no facts to back your allegations that imported beef is less safe than beef produced in the USA.
Never have I said that I want imported beef to be less rigorously monitored for food safety than US beef is. I want ALL food to be as safe as it can be and still be affordable to the majority of our population.
Wouldn't it be counterproductive to regulate food safety to the point it becomes priced so high many people would go hungry?
MRJ
This issue is more complex than simple sound bites for promotion of your anti-NCBA agenda.
Fedup: "Once again your reading and comprehension skills show Sh!tHead. You wanna show me where I made that remark!"
Oldtimer said:Soapweed said:Oldtimer said:But that is what is assumed by the consumer- and the Packers/Retailers know it....Thats the reason they have spent a fortune fighting any COOL law... And NCBA since their 1999 flipflop have done nothing to change that assumption to the consumers/ instead they have promoted allowing the Packers/retailers to do it- where they now can go so far as to cut off the foreign markings and slapping on the USDA inspected stamp when it has never been inspected by a USDA employee...That is fraud and mislabeling in my book and under most state laws....
I think that NCBA originally got on the bandwagon thinking COOL was a good idea. Upon further reflection, they realized the costly logistics of implementing such a program, and realized it would be an unrecoverable cost to producers. Unless it has traceback (mandatory identification), it would be of no use anyway. I personally don't want mandatory ID just because it would be a lot of hassle. For the same reason, I don't want COOL. Life is good just the way it is.
It is bad enough just giving all the preconditioning shots. Believe it or not, I am an honest man even if I am an NCBA member. If I say the calves have had their shots, they have had their shots. The darned vaccine costs way too much money to just go bury it in a blowout and not go ahead and give it to the calves.
Well actually Soap- I have to admit a form of plagerism- that wasn't my original thought, it was one made to me by a cattle buyer- so apparently some are already thinking it .. :wink:
Tam said:Lets see, Sandhusker expects to sell US raised labeled beef to US consumers BUT the BEEF Organization he belongs to are in Federal court claiming all beef coming from a country affect with BSE is unsafe, only to have BSE found in their own herd. They claim theydon't trust the USDA that are in charge of the safety of US beef that in now affected by BSE . They also don't trust the packers that process that beef. If that is not bad enough, Now he is telling us that he himself doesn't agree with his own organizations statements about the US have the WORLD SAFEST BEEF.Sandhusker said:Tam, when have I ever said the US had the world's safest beef?
Great sales pitch Sandhusker if I were a US beef consumer I would just jump at the chance to by a piece of meat with that label, verses a country that has some trust within the industry and credibility with the rest of the world on how they are handling things!!!!!!!!!
BTW if you don't think the US has the safest Beef in the World can you tell us just what the risk is to consumers if they eat your beef? You belong to an organization that expects definitive answers, so tell us how low is low when it comes to US BSE?