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Texan- I guess my major gripe with NCBA is that they put themselves out as a cattlemans organization- but at the same time back, lobby for, and promote the Packers/Retailers ability to lie to and defraud the consumer...Removing the labeling from an imported box of beef and repackaging to pass off as a US product is DECEIT- and I guess that is not the way I like American ranchers/cattleman being portrayed as- or any product they are connected with... If this was done with most any other product in the US it would be a criminal act...

And if NCBA can support this type of fraud and deceit it raises credibility questions with me on any of their actions....

Texan- I was a strong supporter of NCBA until they did their famous flipflop-- which no NCBA member has ever told me a good reason for- altho there are some good stories circulating of some individuals and corporate interests profiting quite well from the flipflop that, all tho so far unprovable, appear quite credible....Its kind of funny if you've been involved with this long enough- because now the same arguments of R-CALF's supporting M-COOL that NCBA tries to tear apart and argues against/and calls falsehoods are the ones NCBA was using in thier Pro-M-COOL arguments a few years ago and even testified under oath to in Congress.... :wink:

Truthfully I think the branded beef programs would take off and profit better with M-COOL...Once beef is labeled as to source country, more consumers will recognize and become aware of the differences in source and quality of beef and if the quality is there in the branded program it will help its demand...Now its just grab whatever the retailer throws in the display cooler because its all marked and looks the same....

Texan- You say you are against mandatory programs...What do you think of the mandatory school lunch program requiring US beef for the lunch programs- or this new proposal of NCBA's requiring mandatory US beef for the military? I think you've told me before you support Mandatory ID...

Or are you just for some mandatories :???:

<blockquote data-quote="Anonymous" data-source="post: 128567">Texan- I guess my major gripe with NCBA is that they put themselves out as a cattlemans organization- but at the same time back, lobby for, and promote the Packers/Retailers ability to lie to and defraud the consumer...Removing the labeling from an imported box of beef and repackaging to pass off as a US product is DECEIT- and I guess that is not the way I like American ranchers/cattleman being portrayed as- or any product they are connected with... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown&nbsp; &nbsp; :("&nbsp; data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f622.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cry:" title="Crying&nbsp; &nbsp; :cry:"&nbsp; data-smilie="15"data-shortname=":cry:" />&nbsp; If this was done with most any other product in the US it would be a criminal act...And if NCBA can support this type of fraud and deceit it raises credibility questions with me on any of their actions....Texan- I was a strong supporter of NCBA until they did their famous flipflop-- which no NCBA member has ever told me a good reason for- altho there are some good stories circulating of some individuals and corporate interests profiting quite well&nbsp; from the flipflop that, all tho so far unprovable, appear quite credible....Its kind of funny if you&#039;ve been involved with this long enough- because now the same arguments of R-CALF&#039;s supporting M-COOL that NCBA tries to tear apart and argues against/and calls falsehoods are the ones NCBA was using in thier Pro-M-COOL arguments a few years ago and even testified under oath to in Congress.... :wink: Truthfully I think the branded beef programs would take off and profit better with M-COOL...Once beef is labeled as to source country, more consumers will recognize and become aware of the differences in source and quality of beef and if the quality is there in the branded program&nbsp; it will help its demand...Now its just grab whatever the retailer throws in the display cooler because its all marked and looks the same....Texan- You say you are against mandatory programs...What do you think of the mandatory school lunch program requiring US beef for the lunch programs- or this new proposal of NCBA&#039;s requiring mandatory US beef for the military? I think you&#039;ve told me before you support Mandatory ID...Or are you just for some mandatories&nbsp; :???:</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Anonymous, post: 128567"] Texan- I guess my major gripe with NCBA is that they put themselves out as a cattlemans organization- but at the same time back, lobby for, and promote the Packers/Retailers ability to lie to and defraud the consumer...Removing the labeling from an imported box of beef and repackaging to pass off as a US product is DECEIT- and I guess that is not the way I like American ranchers/cattleman being portrayed as- or any product they are connected with... :( :cry: If this was done with most any other product in the US it would be a criminal act... And if NCBA can support this type of fraud and deceit it raises credibility questions with me on any of their actions.... Texan- I was a strong supporter of NCBA until they did their famous flipflop-- which no NCBA member has ever told me a good reason for- altho there are some good stories circulating of some individuals and corporate interests profiting quite well from the flipflop that, all tho so far unprovable, appear quite credible....Its kind of funny if you've been involved with this long enough- because now the same arguments of R-CALF's supporting M-COOL that NCBA tries to tear apart and argues against/and calls falsehoods are the ones NCBA was using in thier Pro-M-COOL arguments a few years ago and even testified under oath to in Congress.... :wink: Truthfully I think the branded beef programs would take off and profit better with M-COOL...Once beef is labeled as to source country, more consumers will recognize and become aware of the differences in source and quality of beef and if the quality is there in the branded program it will help its demand...Now its just grab whatever the retailer throws in the display cooler because its all marked and looks the same.... Texan- You say you are against mandatory programs...What do you think of the mandatory school lunch program requiring US beef for the lunch programs- or this new proposal of NCBA's requiring mandatory US beef for the military? I think you've told me before you support Mandatory ID... Or are you just for some mandatories :???: [/QUOTE]

Verification: What animal is usually the product of a ranch?