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cutterone

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I personally believe the country has made a grave error for not electing Romney/Ryan as they may have been the country’s best chance for turning around the economy from the destructional path it faces. Out of all the candidates they may be the best minds on economic concerns, forgetting all the social issues, etc.
I’ll admit that Romney was not my first choice as I felt it would take a bit of a radical opponent such as a Gingrich to take on the onslaught of the media. Sometimes you need a “Rocky” rather than a “Pope”. If your going to loose then go down swinging but don’t just set down!

I personally believe that the only way we as a country will make the change in direction for the better is when the Tea Party movement takes control of our government, elections, education, and economy. Not as a party, ie Repub, Dem but as a movement that will take control of how this country is ran.
For those of you who do not understand the definition of the Tea Party, etc. I’ll enlighten you.

Tea Party :
A party has two definitions: such as a group of individuals who establish an election group called a “party”, or a gathering of individuals. The “Tea Party” is the second, a movement of a grass roots nature, individuals gathering together to voice their concerns over how our government is governing. It is more in the nature of independents rather than what many would like to describe as an extreme arm of the Republican Party. That description is nothing more than the “strawman” approach to defeat the movement.

Radical:
An individual or group of individuals who favor rapid and sweeping changes in laws.
Yes, most Tea Party individuals are of this description.

Extremist:
An individual or group of individuals who go beyond the limits of the norm.
Not to say that there are not some in the movement but that is the case in every group or political party.

There is nothing wrong about being passionate and radical about your beliefs. It is made up of every type of individuals, of all origins, races, and political origins.


Reasons for America loosing the election:

1. Total underestimation of :Chicago style” politics and how strong armed it can be and at what lengths it will go to win.
2. Voter fraud.
3. Lack of voter turnout by those who are completely turned off by :
a. all the negative ads
b. apathy and lack of information by the public to critical information.
c. the inability of the Republican Party to pull together and the break offs by the Libertarian arm and the Ron Paul supporters. There votes could have turned the election.
4. A failure on the part of the tea party movement to get local and state representatives elected. I said 3 years ago it was more important to take state governorships and congressman elected, especially Senators, than trying to defeat Obama. If conservatives had control of the House & Senate that was the only path to stopping the path of destruction.
5. Quit trying to negate the media – they are owned and controlled by the far left and will never give conservatism a fair and level field.
6. Speak the truth and being nice guys who set in the back of bus. Romney’s worst failure was being the “nice guy” and fear of telling the truth about what Obama and Congress has done. Maybe in years past before the internet it was difficult to get the word out because the media would not give print or time but that is not the case today.
7. Education: As citizens of each district and State we must change the culture and education of our children in the classrooms from extreme liberal education. Teach the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and Government.

I don’t believe in the session talk going around but I do believe that it’s high time that our State Governments quit being the biggest hogs at the federal trough. We all talk about the 47%, food stamps, etc but we allow our states to continue to just as big of offenders.

The only reason McCain got as many votes as he got in ’08 is because of Palin. She was the calming voice in the wilderness that brought people together and the voice of the Tea Party movement. So, what happened to her, Gingrich, Paul, and others who were that voice of change and support for the Conservatives? Someone shut a lot of voices up and I think it was the establishment. We must all remember that they are who truly controls elections and government and they really don’t have any party but want control of the money and power. The citizens must find a way to get them out of parties.
 

Steve

Well-known member
Tea Party :
A party has two definitions: such as a group of individuals who establish an election group called a “party”, or a gathering of individuals. The “Tea Party” is the second, a movement of a grass roots nature, individuals gathering together to voice their concerns over how our government is governing. It is more in the nature of independents rather than what many would like to describe as an extreme arm of the Republican Party. That description is nothing more than the “strawman” approach to defeat the movement.

if you say it often enough that the tea party is extremist, some of the weak-minded will believe it... :?

I pray we continue to find primary challengers for the incumbents in our party.. because career politicians need to be replaced.. not re-elected..
 

Steve

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the Libertarian arm and the Ron Paul supporters. There votes could have turned the election.

yep, the OT types can now proudly proclaim they are a spoiler.. but will be soon forgotten ... by the liberals who no longer need them and the republicans who no longer want them..
 

smalltime

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Republicans are sad whiner,s.Run the sorriest candidate they can possibly find ,and then blame everyone else cause you lost.Pull up your panties and take a good look at your selves.I've been a republican 40 years but the party has abandoned its root.anyone who has left the party wont be back.The party is dead and you have only yourselves to blame.
 

Soapweed

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smalltime said:
Republicans are sad whiner,s.Run the sorriest candidate they can possibly find ,and then blame everyone else cause you lost.Pull up your panties and take a good look at your selves.I've been a republican 40 years but the party has abandoned its root.anyone who has left the party wont be back.The party is dead and you have only yourselves to blame.

Miitt Romney was an excellent choice. The more I heard about the man, and the more I saw his capabilities, the better I liked him. He was a good family man, and had honesty and integrity. He also has had many accomplishments during his life. If anyone could have pulled this country out of its doldrums, Romney could have done it. Even though he wasn't necessarily my first choice during the primaries, had I known more about him at the time, he would have been my first choice.

If the votes of the nation had been counted honestly, Romney would have won. The Democrats know how to rig the voting machines, and the Republicans are too nice to challenge it. Republicans are not dead, as you say. They have been bucked off hard, and their wind has been knocked out, but they will get up, dust themselves off, catch the runaway horse, and get back in the saddle. Somebody has to work hard to pay mucho taxes so the freeloaders can survive.
 

Larrry

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While I think <itt was a good guy and could have done a lot of good he just wasn't the right guy.
He was not a Conservative. The media played him up all through the primaries justt as they did McCain and after the primaries it was continual attacks.
Just look at it the middle of the road guys went obama so they were out of reach. Then you had the true conservative and many libertarians who wanted someone different. Just notice of how many of those guy claimed they were the same and went obama. For the life of me I can not see why if a guy doesn't fit your ideals that they would want to go as far to the left and pick someone so diametricaly opposed to their beliefs. But they do. You had many true Conservatives that had not fiore in them to get to the polls.
The Right should not just let the media rule their candidate choices and spread falsehoods as they do. Cowboy up, call them on their lies.
 

Mike

Well-known member
Soapweed said:
smalltime said:
Republicans are sad whiner,s.Run the sorriest candidate they can possibly find ,and then blame everyone else cause you lost.Pull up your panties and take a good look at your selves.I've been a republican 40 years but the party has abandoned its root.anyone who has left the party wont be back.The party is dead and you have only yourselves to blame.

Miitt Romney was an excellent choice. The more I heard about the man, and the more I saw his capabilities, the better I liked him. He was a good family man, and had honesty and integrity. He also has had many accomplishments during his life. If anyone could have pulled this country out of its doldrums, Romney could have done it. Even though he wasn't necessarily my first choice during the primaries, had I known more about him at the time, he would have been my first choice.

If the votes of the nation had been counted honestly, Romney would have won. The Democrats know how to rig the voting machines, and the Republicans are too nice to challenge it. Republicans are not dead, as you say. They have been bucked off hard, and their wind has been knocked out, but they will get up, dust themselves off, catch the runaway horse, and get back in the saddle. Somebody has to work hard to pay mucho taxes so the freeloaders can survive.

Good post.
 
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Soapweed said:
smalltime said:
Republicans are sad whiner,s.Run the sorriest candidate they can possibly find ,and then blame everyone else cause you lost.Pull up your panties and take a good look at your selves.I've been a republican 40 years but the party has abandoned its root.anyone who has left the party wont be back.The party is dead and you have only yourselves to blame.


If the votes of the nation had been counted honestly, Romney would have won. The Democrats know how to rig the voting machines, and the Republicans are too nice to challenge it. Republicans are not dead, as you say. They have been bucked off hard, and their wind has been knocked out, but they will get up, dust themselves off, catch the runaway horse, and get back in the saddle. Somebody has to work hard to pay mucho taxes so the freeloaders can survive.

Are you saying that this "election conspiracy" of the Democrats is so big and they controlled so many areas of the country and states to give Obama a 126 Electoral Vote win :???:

UNBULLIEVABLE!

I'd of voted for Obama too if I at all believed anyone had that much control, power and ability to organize...


I'll bet you believe in Peter Pan and the Tooth Fairy too..... :roll: :p :lol:
 
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Anonymous

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cutterone said:
I personally believe the country has made a grave error for not electing Romney/Ryan as they may have been the country’s best chance for turning around the economy from the destructional path it faces. Out of all the candidates they may be the best minds on economic concerns, forgetting all the social issues, etc.
I’ll admit that Romney was not my first choice as I felt it would take a bit of a radical opponent such as a Gingrich to take on the onslaught of the media. Sometimes you need a “Rocky” rather than a “Pope”. If your going to loose then go down swinging but don’t just set down!

I personally believe that the only way we as a country will make the change in direction for the better is when the Tea Party movement takes control of our government, elections, education, and economy. Not as a party, ie Repub, Dem but as a movement that will take control of how this country is ran.
For those of you who do not understand the definition of the Tea Party, etc. I’ll enlighten you.

Tea Party :
A party has two definitions: such as a group of individuals who establish an election group called a “party”, or a gathering of individuals. The “Tea Party” is the second, a movement of a grass roots nature, individuals gathering together to voice their concerns over how our government is governing. It is more in the nature of independents rather than what many would like to describe as an extreme arm of the Republican Party. That description is nothing more than the “strawman” approach to defeat the movement.

Radical:
An individual or group of individuals who favor rapid and sweeping changes in laws.
Yes, most Tea Party individuals are of this description.

Extremist:
An individual or group of individuals who go beyond the limits of the norm.
Not to say that there are not some in the movement but that is the case in every group or political party.

There is nothing wrong about being passionate and radical about your beliefs. It is made up of every type of individuals, of all origins, races, and political origins.


Reasons for America loosing the election:

1. Total underestimation of :Chicago style” politics and how strong armed it can be and at what lengths it will go to win.
2. Voter fraud.
3. Lack of voter turnout by those who are completely turned off by :
a. all the negative ads
b. apathy and lack of information by the public to critical information.
c. the inability of the Republican Party to pull together and the break offs by the Libertarian arm and the Ron Paul supporters. There votes could have turned the election.
4. A failure on the part of the tea party movement to get local and state representatives elected. I said 3 years ago it was more important to take state governorships and congressman elected, especially Senators, than trying to defeat Obama. If conservatives had control of the House & Senate that was the only path to stopping the path of destruction.
5. Quit trying to negate the media – they are owned and controlled by the far left and will never give conservatism a fair and level field.
6. Speak the truth and being nice guys who set in the back of bus. Romney’s worst failure was being the “nice guy” and fear of telling the truth about what Obama and Congress has done. Maybe in years past before the internet it was difficult to get the word out because the media would not give print or time but that is not the case today.
7. Education: As citizens of each district and State we must change the culture and education of our children in the classrooms from extreme liberal education. Teach the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and Government.

I don’t believe in the session talk going around but I do believe that it’s high time that our State Governments quit being the biggest hogs at the federal trough. We all talk about the 47%, food stamps, etc but we allow our states to continue to just as big of offenders.

The only reason McCain got as many votes as he got in ’08 is because of Palin. She was the calming voice in the wilderness that brought people together and the voice of the Tea Party movement. So, what happened to her, Gingrich, Paul, and others who were that voice of change and support for the Conservatives? Someone shut a lot of voices up and I think it was the establishment. We must all remember that they are who truly controls elections and government and they really don’t have any party but want control of the money and power. The citizens must find a way to get them out of parties.


Conservative” or “Tea Party” - Which Label Wins?

Posted on October 18, 2012, 8:00 PM,


For the better part of a year there has been ample polling data, mostly private, that has shown how far the “Tea Party” brand has fallen, how tarnished it has become. These polls have been conducted in New Jersey, in specific races and districts around the country, and sampling the entire country as well. Earlier today, a poll was released that will astonish many in the “Tea Party.” (More on that below)


Most of these polls have focused on how independent, or unaffiliated, voters perceive the tea party brand, and how they perceive a candidate closely associated with the tea party brand.

While New Jersey has had it’s share of knuckleheads associated with the “Tea Party”, apparently so has the rest of the country. Many of New Jersey’s knuckleheads have been well documented here on CNJ. There has been much more written about how disastrous the continued defense of these knuckleheads were to the advancement of conservative principles and beliefs, not to mention how divisive and off putting at election time.

As noted in a column yesterday, two United States Senate races that should have been safely Republican, were in danger of being won by liberal Democrats who support Barack Obama. They were in such danger that responsible conservative organizations like the Club for Growth had to infuse these efforts with extra cash. That is cash that could have gone to Senate campaigns in other states.

When conservatives stick with labeling themselves as “conservatives” while articulating conservative principles and beliefs, we win the hearts and minds of the electorate, we win elections. We do this when speaking with the independent, unaffiliated voters with clear ideas, passion, and reasonableness. We do so without compromising our principles and beliefs.

Independent and unaffiliated voters do not like the knuckleheads, and what they have done to the fiscal conservative movement branded as the “Tea Party.”


Earlier today, Scott Rasmussen, of Rasmussen Reports released a nationwide survey that measured political labels. Not surprisingly, on the negative side, the label “Liberal” finished high, 2nd worst in fact. Perhaps more surprising if you have not been closely following what has happened across the country, is what finished as the most negative political label - Yes, “Tea Party.” A whopping 44% of Americans view the tea party label as negative. Hard to believe it is worse than liberal.


More to the point, “Conservative” finished with the most positive rating for a political label.

Conservatives don’t need gimmicks, we don’t need knuckleheads, we don’t need to reinvent the wheel.

We need to articulate our principles and beliefs as conservatives.


This article is about NJ-- but from all the article I've read- I think it reflects the feeling of the voters across the country-- especially the Independents and moderates (Reagan Democrats)......

And as was shown with several of the Republican held Congressional seats that fell when a TeaPartyier got the nomination-- people don't want these nutcase secessionist ideas- or candidates having to sign pledges...

They want common sense representation-- and that is what so many of the Tea Party candidates have failed to show...

Like Jon Huntsman has said- they need a Republican party back along the lines of the Party when Ike was President...
 

Soapweed

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Soapweed said:
smalltime said:
Republicans are sad whiner,s.Run the sorriest candidate they can possibly find ,and then blame everyone else cause you lost.Pull up your panties and take a good look at your selves.I've been a republican 40 years but the party has abandoned its root.anyone who has left the party wont be back.The party is dead and you have only yourselves to blame.


If the votes of the nation had been counted honestly, Romney would have won. The Democrats know how to rig the voting machines, and the Republicans are too nice to challenge it. Republicans are not dead, as you say. They have been bucked off hard, and their wind has been knocked out, but they will get up, dust themselves off, catch the runaway horse, and get back in the saddle. Somebody has to work hard to pay mucho taxes so the freeloaders can survive.

Are you saying that this "election conspiracy" of the Democrats is so big and they controlled so many areas of the country and states to give Obama a 126 Electoral Vote win :???:

UNBULLIEVABLE!

I'd of voted for Obama too if I at all believed anyone had that much control, power and ability to organize...


I'll bet you believe in Peter Pan and the Tooth Fairy too..... :roll: :p :lol:

I also believe in Deputy Dawg and Quick Draw McGraw.
 

Steve

Well-known member
We do this when speaking with the independent, unaffiliated voters with clear ideas, passion, and reasonableness. We do so without compromising our principles and beliefs.

funny how they the author attacks the Tea Party, yet puppets the Tea Party line of thinking... all the while ignoring that we are putting up primary challenges to the old party thought,.. yet supporting the voters choice in the general election...

I guess if someone repeats a lie often enough.. some old fools will believe it...

I am glad 44% of the nation believes the tea party is negative... that means not only are we challenging the status quo, but are winning the rest which is a majority.
 

Steve

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Like Jon Huntsman has said- they need a Republican party back along the lines of the Party when Ike was President...

then just answer this one question honestly..

How do you get a party like the one we had when Ike was president if we keep nominating and electing the same old politicians that you are complaining about?
 
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Anonymous

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Steve said:
Oldtimer said:
Like Jon Huntsman has said- they need a Republican party back along the lines of the Party when Ike was President...

then just answer this one question honestly..

How do you get a party like the one we had when Ike was president if we keep nominating and electing the same old politicians that you are complaining about?

I don't remember the party of Ikes day just saying NO as an answer to everything....They knew you had to progress-- a great example being the development of the Interstate Highway System ( an idea Ike got from Hitlers autobahns and thought was needed not only for economic development- but defense)..... Altho Ike had a Dem Congress part of the time- he worked with the Congress instead of leading the country into a partisan stalemate...

The party of Ikes day was much more isolationist- and didn't believe we should go Bush nationbuilding at the drop of a hat...
 

Martin Jr.

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There was nothing wrong with Mitt Romney, but Obama is like a rock star, his followers love him even though he has done nothing, and promises nothing good.
He was voted in simply on feeling and not on his brains.
 

Larrry

Well-known member
I'd of voted for Obama too if I at all believed anyone had that much control, power and ability to organize...

you have no clue whatsoever do you on the founding of this country and the limitation of power. Really sad that ignorant people like that think they can make a decision on how to vote. Let alone be able to dress themselves in the morning.
 

Larrry

Well-known member
Martin Jr. said:
There was nothing wrong with Mitt Romney, but Obama is like a rock star, his followers love him even though he has done nothing, and promises nothing good.
He was voted in simply on feeling and not on his brains.

I essentially agree with nothing wrong with Mitt. You could have had anyone with an R bewhind their name and it's an uphill battle considering the media and the ignorant voters on the left. I personally would rather of had someone a little more conservative.
 

cutterone

Well-known member
The problem OT is that the Democrat Party of today is NOT the party of when Ike was in office. They have been overtaken with socialists, communisits, and idiots. When you deal with the likes of them you must say no.
 

Steve

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
Oldtimer said:
Like Jon Huntsman has said- they need a Republican party back along the lines of the Party when Ike was President...

then just answer this one question honestly..

How do you get a party like the one we had when Ike was president if we keep nominating and electing the same old politicians that you are complaining about?

I don't remember the party of Ikes day just saying NO as an answer to everything....They knew you had to progress-- a great example being the development of the Interstate Highway System ( an idea Ike got from Hitlers autobahns and thought was needed not only for economic development- but defense)..... Altho Ike had a Dem Congress part of the time- he worked with the Congress instead of leading the country into a partisan stalemate...

The party of Ikes day was much more isolationist- and didn't believe we should go Bush nationbuilding at the drop of a hat...

were you a politician?... no that isn't the question.. by your answer, you don't like the "existing" congress.. but that doesn't even address the question I asked..

How do you get the incumbents out without nominating others to oppose them?



can you take a minute and "read" the question..
 
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Anonymous

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Steve said:
Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
then just answer this one question honestly..

How do you get a party like the one we had when Ike was president if we keep nominating and electing the same old politicians that you are complaining about?

I don't remember the party of Ikes day just saying NO as an answer to everything....They knew you had to progress-- a great example being the development of the Interstate Highway System ( an idea Ike got from Hitlers autobahns and thought was needed not only for economic development- but defense)..... Altho Ike had a Dem Congress part of the time- he worked with the Congress instead of leading the country into a partisan stalemate...

The party of Ikes day was much more isolationist- and didn't believe we should go Bush nationbuilding at the drop of a hat...

were you a politician?... no that isn't the question.. by your answer, you don't like the "existing" congress.. but that doesn't even address the question I asked..

How do you get the incumbents out without nominating others to oppose them?


can you take a minute and "read" the question..

You quit nominating idiots like Mourdock and Akin who stand up there and run off 60% of the "modern" population/voters in a couple speechs-- or candidates that stand for one thing for most their lifetime- then morph to another position for the primary- and after being nominated flip all over the place so most voters don't have even half an idea what they stand for- or what they want to do...
That would be good for starters..
 
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