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Tex

Well-known member
SUBJECT: S.
AMERICAN BEEF AT MC DONALDSTHIS IS A GOOD MAN WHO TOOK THE TIME TO WRITE
THIS AND EVEN SIGN HIS NAME AND CONTACT, SO PLEASE
READ:I'm sure those of you who aren't in the cattle
business don't understand the issues here. But to those of us whose living
depends on the cattle market, selling Cattle, raising the best beef possible...
This is frustrating.The original message is from the Texas Cattle
Feeders AssociationAmerican cattle producers are very passionate about
this.McDonald's claims that there is not enough beef in
the USA to support their restaurants. Well, we know that is not so. Our opinion
is they are looking to save money at our expense. The sad thing of it is that
the people of the USA are the ones who made McDonald's successful in the first
place, but we are not good enough to provide beef. We personally are no
longer eating at McDonald's, which I am sure does not impact them, but if
we pass this around maybe there will be an impact
felt.All Americans that sell cows at a livestock auction
barn had to sign a paper stating that we do NOT EVER feed our cows any part of
another cow. South Americans are not required to do this as of
yet. McDonald's has announced that they are going to start importing
much of their beef from South America. The problem is that South Americans
aren't under the same regulations as American beef producers, and the
regulations they have are loosely
controlled.They can spray numerous pesticides on their
pastures that have been banned here at home because of residues found in the
beef. They can also use various hormones and growth regulators that we
can't. The American public needs to be aware of this problem and that they may
be putting themselves at risk now by eating at good old
McDonald's.American ranchers raise the highest quality beef in
the world and this is what Americans deserve to eat. Not beef from countries
where quality is loosely controlled. Therefore, I am proposing a boycott
of McDonald's until they see the
light.I'm sorry but everything is not always about the
bottom line, and when it comes to jeopardizing my family's health, that is where
I draw the line.I am sending this note to about thirty people. If
each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ...and those 300 send
it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the
message reaches the sixth level of people, we will have reached over THREE
MILLION consumers!I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much
potential, did you? Acting together we can make a big difference. If this
makes sense to you, please passthis message
on. David W. Forrest, Ph.D ., PAS,
Dipl.ACAP Department of Animal
ScienceTexas A&M
UniversityPhone (979)
845-3560Fax (979)
862-33992471 TAMU College Station, TX
77843-2471
 

Beefman

Well-known member
Tex said:
SUBJECT: S.
AMERICAN BEEF AT MC DONALDSTHIS IS A GOOD MAN WHO TOOK THE TIME TO WRITE
THIS AND EVEN SIGN HIS NAME AND CONTACT, SO PLEASE
READ:I'm sure those of you who aren't in the cattle
business don't understand the issues here. But to those of us whose living
depends on the cattle market, selling Cattle, raising the best beef possible...
This is frustrating.The original message is from the Texas Cattle
Feeders AssociationAmerican cattle producers are very passionate about
this.McDonald's claims that there is not enough beef in
the USA to support their restaurants. Well, we know that is not so. Our opinion
is they are looking to save money at our expense. The sad thing of it is that
the people of the USA are the ones who made McDonald's successful in the first
place, but we are not good enough to provide beef. We personally are no
longer eating at McDonald's, which I am sure does not impact them, but if
we pass this around maybe there will be an impact
felt.All Americans that sell cows at a livestock auction
barn had to sign a paper stating that we do NOT EVER feed our cows any part of
another cow. South Americans are not required to do this as of
yet. McDonald's has announced that they are going to start importing
much of their beef from South America. The problem is that South Americans
aren't under the same regulations as American beef producers, and the
regulations they have are loosely
controlled.They can spray numerous pesticides on their
pastures that have been banned here at home because of residues found in the
beef. They can also use various hormones and growth regulators that we
can't. The American public needs to be aware of this problem and that they may
be putting themselves at risk now by eating at good old
McDonald's.American ranchers raise the highest quality beef in
the world and this is what Americans deserve to eat. Not beef from countries
where quality is loosely controlled. Therefore, I am proposing a boycott
of McDonald's until they see the
light.I'm sorry but everything is not always about the
bottom line, and when it comes to jeopardizing my family's health, that is where
I draw the line.I am sending this note to about thirty people. If
each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ...and those 300 send
it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the
message reaches the sixth level of people, we will have reached over THREE
MILLION consumers!I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much
potential, did you? Acting together we can make a big difference. If this
makes sense to you, please passthis message
on. David W. Forrest, Ph.D ., PAS,
Dipl.ACAP Department of Animal
ScienceTexas A&M
UniversityPhone (979)
845-3560Fax (979)
862-33992471 TAMU College Station, TX
77843-2471

This email is a hoax. The Texas Cattle Feeders Assn has gone to great lengths to distance themselves from this email http://www.tcfa.org/McD_hoax.htm as has the supposed author, Dr. David Forrest of Texas A&M.
http://www.hpj.com/archives/2004/mar04/Theinformationage.CFM

This hoax is getting very long in the tooth, having circulated since 2000.
 

Tex

Well-known member
Beefman said:
Tex said:
SUBJECT: S.
AMERICAN BEEF AT MC DONALDSTHIS IS A GOOD MAN WHO TOOK THE TIME TO WRITE
THIS AND EVEN SIGN HIS NAME AND CONTACT, SO PLEASE
READ:I'm sure those of you who aren't in the cattle
business don't understand the issues here. But to those of us whose living
depends on the cattle market, selling Cattle, raising the best beef possible...
This is frustrating.The original message is from the Texas Cattle
Feeders AssociationAmerican cattle producers are very passionate about
this.McDonald's claims that there is not enough beef in
the USA to support their restaurants. Well, we know that is not so. Our opinion
is they are looking to save money at our expense. The sad thing of it is that
the people of the USA are the ones who made McDonald's successful in the first
place, but we are not good enough to provide beef. We personally are no
longer eating at McDonald's, which I am sure does not impact them, but if
we pass this around maybe there will be an impact
felt.All Americans that sell cows at a livestock auction
barn had to sign a paper stating that we do NOT EVER feed our cows any part of
another cow. South Americans are not required to do this as of
yet. McDonald's has announced that they are going to start importing
much of their beef from South America. The problem is that South Americans
aren't under the same regulations as American beef producers, and the
regulations they have are loosely
controlled.They can spray numerous pesticides on their
pastures that have been banned here at home because of residues found in the
beef. They can also use various hormones and growth regulators that we
can't. The American public needs to be aware of this problem and that they may
be putting themselves at risk now by eating at good old
McDonald's.American ranchers raise the highest quality beef in
the world and this is what Americans deserve to eat. Not beef from countries
where quality is loosely controlled. Therefore, I am proposing a boycott
of McDonald's until they see the
light.I'm sorry but everything is not always about the
bottom line, and when it comes to jeopardizing my family's health, that is where
I draw the line.I am sending this note to about thirty people. If
each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ...and those 300 send
it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the
message reaches the sixth level of people, we will have reached over THREE
MILLION consumers!I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much
potential, did you? Acting together we can make a big difference. If this
makes sense to you, please passthis message
on. David W. Forrest, Ph.D ., PAS,
Dipl.ACAP Department of Animal
ScienceTexas A&M
UniversityPhone (979)
845-3560Fax (979)
862-33992471 TAMU College Station, TX
77843-2471

This email is a hoax. The Texas Cattle Feeders Assn has gone to great lengths to distance themselves from this email http://www.tcfa.org/McD_hoax.htm as has the supposed author, Dr. David Forrest of Texas A&M.
http://www.hpj.com/archives/2004/mar04/Theinformationage.CFM

This hoax is getting very long in the tooth, having circulated since 2000.

While the letter may or may not have been written by this man at this university, all of the facts pertinent to the letter are true. JBS of S. America is trying to buy into the beef markets in the U.S. with much opposition, companies continually try to get their product at a lower price and not tell anyone (remember that MCOOL does not require institutional reporting), Homeland security is not checking all imports, and the globalists have the door open to arbitrage the differences between currencies because of the differing monetary, fiscal, and economic policies of national governments, and domestic producers are put under the thumb of markets controlled by middlemen and not necessarily competitive supply and demand pressures. Globalists like the big boys will do just as Tyson did, be able to buy into a foreign market and arbitrage the differences that are not based on the fundamentals of competitive markets, but the fundamentals of national policies.

Denny, do you have any reason to believe that companies like McDonalds or others will play this game after these rules are set up? They will be forced to if any of their competitors do, or so they will say. Then, since all of them are doing the same thing, it will be fate accompli.

Dr. Suess could have written a story on this and the truths in it would still shine out.
 

Soapweed

Well-known member
Denny said:
Either way I don't eat at McDonald's but it's due to the rotten Lettuce they poor on their sandwiches.

If you eat the chicken McNuggets, there is no lettuce to worry about. :wink: :)
 

mrj

Well-known member
Isn't is also a fact that McDonalds' buys and sells more USA produced beef than any other customer?

Does it make sense for cattle producers to bad-mouth their best customer???

Apparently, SOME cattle producers just don't think beyond their own farmyard.

mrj
 

Beefman

Well-known member
Tex said:
Beefman said:
Tex said:
SUBJECT: S.
AMERICAN BEEF AT MC DONALDSTHIS IS A GOOD MAN WHO TOOK THE TIME TO WRITE
THIS AND EVEN SIGN HIS NAME AND CONTACT, SO PLEASE
READ:I'm sure those of you who aren't in the cattle
business don't understand the issues here. But to those of us whose living
depends on the cattle market, selling Cattle, raising the best beef possible...
This is frustrating.The original message is from the Texas Cattle
Feeders AssociationAmerican cattle producers are very passionate about
this.McDonald's claims that there is not enough beef in
the USA to support their restaurants. Well, we know that is not so. Our opinion
is they are looking to save money at our expense. The sad thing of it is that
the people of the USA are the ones who made McDonald's successful in the first
place, but we are not good enough to provide beef. We personally are no
longer eating at McDonald's, which I am sure does not impact them, but if
we pass this around maybe there will be an impact
felt.All Americans that sell cows at a livestock auction
barn had to sign a paper stating that we do NOT EVER feed our cows any part of
another cow. South Americans are not required to do this as of
yet. McDonald's has announced that they are going to start importing
much of their beef from South America. The problem is that South Americans
aren't under the same regulations as American beef producers, and the
regulations they have are loosely
controlled.They can spray numerous pesticides on their
pastures that have been banned here at home because of residues found in the
beef. They can also use various hormones and growth regulators that we
can't. The American public needs to be aware of this problem and that they may
be putting themselves at risk now by eating at good old
McDonald's.American ranchers raise the highest quality beef in
the world and this is what Americans deserve to eat. Not beef from countries
where quality is loosely controlled. Therefore, I am proposing a boycott
of McDonald's until they see the
light.I'm sorry but everything is not always about the
bottom line, and when it comes to jeopardizing my family's health, that is where
I draw the line.I am sending this note to about thirty people. If
each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ...and those 300 send
it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the
message reaches the sixth level of people, we will have reached over THREE
MILLION consumers!I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much
potential, did you? Acting together we can make a big difference. If this
makes sense to you, please passthis message
on. David W. Forrest, Ph.D ., PAS,
Dipl.ACAP Department of Animal
ScienceTexas A&M
UniversityPhone (979)
845-3560Fax (979)
862-33992471 TAMU College Station, TX
77843-2471

This email is a hoax. The Texas Cattle Feeders Assn has gone to great lengths to distance themselves from this email http://www.tcfa.org/McD_hoax.htm as has the supposed author, Dr. David Forrest of Texas A&M.
http://www.hpj.com/archives/2004/mar04/Theinformationage.CFM

This hoax is getting very long in the tooth, having circulated since 2000.

While the letter may or may not have been written by this man at this university, all of the facts pertinent to the letter are true. JBS of S. America is trying to buy into the beef markets in the U.S. with much opposition, companies continually try to get their product at a lower price and not tell anyone (remember that MCOOL does not require institutional reporting), Homeland security is not checking all imports, and the globalists have the door open to arbitrage the differences between currencies because of the differing monetary, fiscal, and economic policies of national governments, and domestic producers are put under the thumb of markets controlled by middlemen and not necessarily competitive supply and demand pressures. Globalists like the big boys will do just as Tyson did, be able to buy into a foreign market and arbitrage the differences that are not based on the fundamentals of competitive markets, but the fundamentals of national policies.

Denny, do you have any reason to believe that companies like McDonalds or others will play this game after these rules are set up? They will be forced to if any of their competitors do, or so they will say. Then, since all of them are doing the same thing, it will be fate accompli.

Dr. Suess could have written a story on this and the truths in it would still shine out.

The TCFA distanced themselves from your email, as did the professor from TX A&M. Even Dr. Suess would be able to recognize this for the smear job that it is.
 

Tex

Well-known member
Beefman said:
Tex said:
Beefman said:
This email is a hoax. The Texas Cattle Feeders Assn has gone to great lengths to distance themselves from this email http://www.tcfa.org/McD_hoax.htm as has the supposed author, Dr. David Forrest of Texas A&M.
http://www.hpj.com/archives/2004/mar04/Theinformationage.CFM

This hoax is getting very long in the tooth, having circulated since 2000.

While the letter may or may not have been written by this man at this university, all of the facts pertinent to the letter are true. JBS of S. America is trying to buy into the beef markets in the U.S. with much opposition, companies continually try to get their product at a lower price and not tell anyone (remember that MCOOL does not require institutional reporting), Homeland security is not checking all imports, and the globalists have the door open to arbitrage the differences between currencies because of the differing monetary, fiscal, and economic policies of national governments, and domestic producers are put under the thumb of markets controlled by middlemen and not necessarily competitive supply and demand pressures. Globalists like the big boys will do just as Tyson did, be able to buy into a foreign market and arbitrage the differences that are not based on the fundamentals of competitive markets, but the fundamentals of national policies.

Denny, do you have any reason to believe that companies like McDonalds or others will play this game after these rules are set up? They will be forced to if any of their competitors do, or so they will say. Then, since all of them are doing the same thing, it will be fate accompli.

Dr. Suess could have written a story on this and the truths in it would still shine out.

The TCFA distanced themselves from your email, as did the professor from TX A&M. Even Dr. Suess would be able to recognize this for the smear job that it is.

Beefman, I don't know the man who supposedly wrote this nor do I know who initially proposed it. To me, the name on a truth doesn't matter as it does to some who are more tribal type people than others.

McDonalds, with their purchase of Australian and New Zealand beef just to get lower prices for their hamburgers so they can out compete in price with others are selling out the producers in this country. They will do it with SA beef if they can. Walmart is the king of this kind of action. It is undermining our economy just so the Walmart's and McDonalds can lower price and arbitrage the differences between countries. It is deflationary which is the stated reason we are doing this huge bailout.

I don't buy at McDonalds because their food tastes like it is the cheapest. It is the playground and the toys that brings in children, not the quality of their food.

While you are busy selling out U.S. producers, beefman, we are reaping the rewards of these sorry policies right now---and all for greed.

Discount the details to not see the bigger picture just because you want to hide it, beefman. I am not so easily fooled. This story has more truth in it than the details you refute. We can produce all the beef anyone in this country wants to consume but if we don't pay producers enough for it, we will kill the goose that is laying the egg. That is exactly what applied communism has taught the world. Your solution is to buy eggs from New Zealand and Australia just to appease the globalists and consumers. We can all sell the wealth out from under this country and these kind of policies do it. All for short term greed.

MRJ, if your largest buyer of a product starts outsourcing those supplies to others, if you are not worried about it, you are a fool. There is one (or more) born every minute. We have lost huge foreign markets because of a sorry bse policy and you say nothing of it. Then you say what you did on a company outsourcing your product to foreign supplies.

No wonder this country is in the mess we are in. There are too many fools making the decisions or going along with them.
 

mrj

Well-known member
Realizing 'Tex' (BTW, doesn't he sound just like our old 'friend' Econ 101?) doesn't have a mind that can be influenced by FACTS, some people can, so here goes:

McDonalds' purchased and tested the market for using SOME beef from AUS and NZ because it is grass fed, therefore lower in fat than the trim from US grain fed cattle.

There is a surplus of 50% lean beef trim in the USA and a shortage of 80%-90% lean trim meat. The imported trim is blended with the fatter US fed beef trim to, strange as it may seem to Tex, GIVE CONSUMERS THE LEAN HAMBURGER THEY WANT, not from senseless greed. To have stayed in business this long, McDonalds leaders know that purchasing beef based only upon "greed" is a sure way to lose customers.

These rumors are an attempt to harm one of the biggest sellers of USA produced beef. Is that wise?

My 'defense' of McDonalds' has nothing to do with taste of their burgers. Personally, I perfer hand shaped, six ounce burgers to any mechanically shaped burgers that appear to have been steam cooked.

Further, my choices of restaurants to support with my $$$, while based on facts about that business will favor my individual FLAVOR and VALUE biases, NOT some wild-eyed rumor mongering by people who either do not know what they are writing about, or who CHOOSE to ignore fact in their zeal to harm a 'multi-national corporation'.

BSE is a whole 'nother issue and I've said much about it. Obviously, I disagree with your opinions on that problem, since I prefer science to the 'lala land basis' for decisions.


mrj
 

Tex

Well-known member
mrj said:
Realizing 'Tex' (BTW, doesn't he sound just like our old 'friend' Econ 101?) doesn't have a mind that can be influenced by FACTS, some people can, so here goes:

McDonalds' purchased and tested the market for using SOME beef from AUS and NZ because it is grass fed, therefore lower in fat than the trim from US grain fed cattle.

There is a surplus of 50% lean beef trim in the USA and a shortage of 80%-90% lean trim meat. The imported trim is blended with the fatter US fed beef trim to, strange as it may seem to Tex, GIVE CONSUMERS THE LEAN HAMBURGER THEY WANT, not from senseless greed. To have stayed in business this long, McDonalds leaders know that purchasing beef based only upon "greed" is a sure way to lose customers.

These rumors are an attempt to harm one of the biggest sellers of USA produced beef. Is that wise?

My 'defense' of McDonalds' has nothing to do with taste of their burgers. Personally, I perfer hand shaped, six ounce burgers to any mechanically shaped burgers that appear to have been steam cooked.

Further, my choices of restaurants to support with my $$$, while based on facts about that business will favor my individual FLAVOR and VALUE biases, NOT some wild-eyed rumor mongering by people who either do not know what they are writing about, or who CHOOSE to ignore fact in their zeal to harm a 'multi-national corporation'.

BSE is a whole 'nother issue and I've said much about it. Obviously, I disagree with your opinions on that problem, since I prefer science to the 'lala land basis' for decisions.


mrj

mrj, for all your talk you admit that you don't go to McDonalds for the food. Guess what, kids don't either. They go for the playground and the prize in the kids meal.

McDonalds admittedly uses cheap scraps to make their hamburgers--and imported ones in the mix at that. If they really wanted to provide a good product, they wouldn't import from half way around the world and put some of those fresh rounds or other lean cuts in their burgers or other lean cattle that are not fed out as much. Fat is expensive to put on cattle and protein is cheap (as the grass fed industry knows). It would help raise prices here in the U.S. for beef because more would be demanded instead of scraps from Australia and the quality of their burger would be better although they may cost a little more to produce. Quality has a price.

If your largest customer is finding a different foreign supplier than you as a domestic supplier, you better be concerned. Equating the fact that they may currently be the largest buyer of beef with not promoting your own sales to them is simply silly, silly, silly and dumb, dumb, dumb.

Perhaps you belong to the Foreign beef suppliers union without telling us? Oh, yes, it is called the NCBA. They seem to be more interested in increasing packer margins than increasing cattle prices.

Do we have a shortage of lean beef in the U.S.? One of the ways to decrease "shortages" businesses use as a convenient excuse to purchase from cheap foreign sources is to increase the price paid. The "shortage", due to the miracle of a market economy, simply disappears.

It is time you stood up for domestic suppliers of beef instead of excusing every greed move by companies willing to sell out U.S. producers.
 

Clarencen

Well-known member
I guess, my view on this is: It is alright to import lean beef if there really is a shortage here in this country. However I believe this is just a ruse to try to get the beef producer on their side. When they are willing to label ground beef as 70% imported lean and 30% US produced 50-50 trim, I might believe them. This is somewhere near the ratio needed to get what is considered the ideal fat content. So far they don't want to do that. If the economics are right, we can produce lean grass fed beef here in the US.

Now with our lost jobs and businesses failing, we need to look at more then just mistakes by bankers, sellers of homes, and the auto industry. When they talk about putting a trillion and a half or more into our economy it is more then just a band-aid. It is something serious. I don't know what we will find the real problem to be, but we can not continue to hide or ignore any of the possibilities. The answer might be tough on some of our trade partners, but we in the US need to look at our needs first. Let each country take care of their part of the problems however it is best for them.
 
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Clarencen said:
I guess, my view on this is: It is alright to import lean beef if there really is a shortage here in this country. However I believe this is just a ruse to try to get the beef producer on their side. When they are willing to label ground beef as 70% imported lean and 30% US produced 50-50 trim, I might believe them. This is somewhere near the ratio needed to get what is considered the ideal fat content. So far they don't want to do that. If the economics are right, we can produce lean grass fed beef here in the US.

Now with our lost jobs and businesses failing, we need to look at more then just mistakes by bankers, sellers of homes, and the auto industry. When they talk about putting a trillion and a half or more into our economy it is more then just a band-aid. It is something serious. I don't know what we will find the real problem to be, but we can not continue to hide or ignore any of the possibilities. The answer might be tough on some of our trade partners, but we in the US need to look at our needs first. Let each country take care of their part of the problems however it is best for them.

AMEN- Clarencen
 

Tex

Well-known member
Clarencen said:
I guess, my view on this is: It is alright to import lean beef if there really is a shortage here in this country. However I believe this is just a ruse to try to get the beef producer on their side. When they are willing to label ground beef as 70% imported lean and 30% US produced 50-50 trim, I might believe them. This is somewhere near the ratio needed to get what is considered the ideal fat content. So far they don't want to do that. If the economics are right, we can produce lean grass fed beef here in the US.

Now with our lost jobs and businesses failing, we need to look at more then just mistakes by bankers, sellers of homes, and the auto industry. When they talk about putting a trillion and a half or more into our economy it is more then just a band-aid. It is something serious. I don't know what we will find the real problem to be, but we can not continue to hide or ignore any of the possibilities. The answer might be tough on some of our trade partners, but we in the US need to look at our needs first. Let each country take care of their part of the problems however it is best for them.

"However I believe this is just a ruse to try to get the beef producer on their side."

Yep, and it seems to have worked on some.

I do not dislike trade but when there is an imbalance of trade as we have in the U.S. today, things need to change. You can not continually sell out the producers in your own country just because China et al (and others) wants to buy your suppliers out with a manipulated currency and the govt. goes along with it because they can just pass it off to future generations to pay off and because they get a lower interest rate with China et al buying U.S. t bills.

Our trade deals that put us in this situation benefit only those who profit from undermining our economy for their own self interests.


mrj, have you given blood lately and what did they say about the questions we brought up before on giving blood and bse?
 

PORKER

Well-known member
It is the exchange of currency that drives beef imports as I see it . The problem with imports is every Tom Dick and Harry beef exporter overseas is in the trim with no equal HACCP and SSOP records for here in the USA..
 

Tex

Well-known member
PORKER said:
It is the exchange of currency that drives beef imports as I see it . The problem with imports is every Tom Dick and Harry beef exporter overseas is in the trim with no equal HACCP and SSOP records for here in the USA..

Are you saying that non USDA inspected meat from other countries is allowed in interstate commerce just because the packers and McDonalds can save a buck?

That is not even allowed in the United States by inspected state plants that follow USDA guidelines.

AMAZING how dumb the USDA think we are. Stop playing favorites with government policy USDA and political hacks that allow it!!!!!

Tag them with an RFID tag so we can track them and get them out of government and back on the company payroll where they belong.
 

PORKER

Well-known member
PORKER wrote:
It is the exchange of currency that drives beef imports as I see it . The problem with imports is every Tom Dick and Harry beef exporter overseas is in the trim with no equal HACCP and SSOP records for here in the USA..


Are you saying that non USDA inspected meat from other countries is allowed in interstate commerce just because the packers and McDonalds can save a buck? YES ! it's trim alright.
 

mrj

Well-known member
Boys, you surely do keep busy on this site. Even when I'm battling the latest cold/flu bug going round and not up to full work load, I don't have the time to spend on here some of you apparently do!

TX, the whole point of me entering this discussion was to point out that people passing on that email are guilty of spreading malicious FALSE rumors about a company that is not doing what is claimed; and is not trying to be anything but what they are: probably the most popular FAST FOOD restaurant! It is beside the point whether they do or do not reach that status by providing playgrounds so parents can eat a quick, quiet meal while the kids run off a bit of steam, or by providing a DECENT, low cost hamburger and other foods. BTW, I never said that I do not go to McDonalds for the food. I do on occasion. I stated that my FAVORITE burger is a hand shaped properly grilled burger like they serve at JT's im Midland, SD! For you and others to perpetrate the lies in that email serves no good purpose and creates ill will against ALL hamburger served in fast food places, IMO. That is a LOT of lost sales of USA produced beef, if people listen to you and stop buying them.

Clarence, trade is a two way street and if we do not allow any beef imports, we are not going to be able to export much of it. Isn't it true that we export grain fed high quality beef to countries like AUS and NZ that sell their lean beef here? Each of country is selling something we have lots of, and buying something we don't have so much of.......not necessarily that we CANNOT find enough in either place, but at what cost? McDonalds could not sell their burgers at prices low enough for lower income families to buy them if they had to pay going prices for that USA BRED,BORN, & RAISED "grass fed beef", could they?????

TX, I've not donated blood recently, and yes, I will ask about BSE next time I do, but what does that have to do with this thread???? Re. trade, isn't it mostly selling our ag products that keeps our balance of trade as good as it is, and mostly buying foreign oil that keeps it as bad as it is???? I sure don't want to give up imported fruit and nuts any time soon, either! It was in the news the last day or two that part of our financial difficulties is because US investors are buying US T bills instead of investing in US businesses that would make more jobs available. Nothing is so simple as some of you would like us to believe and the villains are not so easily identifiable, either. Sometimes, it is each of us. After all, we, well some of YOU, fell for the rhetoric and elected that schemer who is not "wasting a crisis" and is giving the Dems and their Union cronies too much of the pork and repeal of secret balloting they demand under the guise of "stimulus" funding.

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Clarence, trade is a two way street and if we do not allow any beef imports, we are not going to be able to export much of it. Isn't it true that we export grain fed high quality beef to countries like AUS and NZ that sell their lean beef here?

Maxine- I'm sure you'll provide us all the figures and source for how much high quality US beef is going to Australia.... :???:
 

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mrj said:
Boys, you surely do keep busy on this site. Even when I'm battling the latest cold/flu bug going round and not up to full work load, I don't have the time to spend on here some of you apparently do!

TX, the whole point of me entering this discussion was to point out that people passing on that email are guilty of spreading malicious FALSE rumors about a company that is not doing what is claimed; and is not trying to be anything but what they are: probably the most popular FAST FOOD restaurant! It is beside the point whether they do or do not reach that status by providing playgrounds so parents can eat a quick, quiet meal while the kids run off a bit of steam, or by providing a DECENT, low cost hamburger and other foods. BTW, I never said that I do not go to McDonalds for the food. I do on occasion. I stated that my FAVORITE burger is a hand shaped properly grilled burger like they serve at JT's im Midland, SD! For you and others to perpetrate the lies in that email serves no good purpose and creates ill will against ALL hamburger served in fast food places, IMO. That is a LOT of lost sales of USA produced beef, if people listen to you and stop buying them.

Clarence, trade is a two way street and if we do not allow any beef imports, we are not going to be able to export much of it. Isn't it true that we export grain fed high quality beef to countries like AUS and NZ that sell their lean beef here? Each of country is selling something we have lots of, and buying something we don't have so much of.......not necessarily that we CANNOT find enough in either place, but at what cost? McDonalds could not sell their burgers at prices low enough for lower income families to buy them if they had to pay going prices for that USA BRED,BORN, & RAISED "grass fed beef", could they?????

TX, I've not donated blood recently, and yes, I will ask about BSE next time I do, but what does that have to do with this thread???? Re. trade, isn't it mostly selling our ag products that keeps our balance of trade as good as it is, and mostly buying foreign oil that keeps it as bad as it is???? I sure don't want to give up imported fruit and nuts any time soon, either! It was in the news the last day or two that part of our financial difficulties is because US investors are buying US T bills instead of investing in US businesses that would make more jobs available. Nothing is so simple as some of you would like us to believe and the villains are not so easily identifiable, either. Sometimes, it is each of us. After all, we, well some of YOU, fell for the rhetoric and elected that schemer who is not "wasting a crisis" and is giving the Dems and their Union cronies too much of the pork and repeal of secret balloting they demand under the guise of "stimulus" funding.

mrj

mrj, mrj, mrj. I really wish people would stop going to McDonalds and instead get a real burger. McDonald's left the door open to Wendy's and their "Where is the beef?" campaign. Now you can get a thickburger which has a lot more beef than a McDonald's burger. If McDonalds goes out of business tomorrow, people will just go elsewhere for their meal and it might be one of these other places that sell higher quality burgers that have more real meat in them. You seem to think they won't and all that meat previously sold at McDonalds will just not be sold anymore.

On the trade issue, it is unsustainable for the U.S. to continually have a trade deficit. There is an economic advantage to countries when they have a positive balance of trade as the growth in China has shown. I will not argue with trade when we have a balance of trade.

The BSE/ blood donation question is one brought up before and you might see it on another thread as it is still an open question to you.

McDonalds could not sell their burgers at prices low enough for lower income families to buy them if they had to pay going prices for that USA BRED,BORN, & RAISED "grass fed beef", could they?????

Why not? It seems extra money can go into housing bubbles, tech and stock bubbles, consumerism, and others. Why should it not go to producers in the USA who sell beef?

If you want to give more meat to the "poor" let them make a decent wage to pay for it.
 

mrj

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Tex, you are such a nag! I stated that I will ask about BSE when it is possible for me to donate blood again.

Are you asking for government "stimulus" money to subsidize producers of USA beef??? Do you understand that money is taken away from those of us who produce things of value: "stimulus" losers; in order to redistribute it to those whom 'they' decide 'need' it more: "stimulus" winners?

So.....you have no sympathy for "the poor", chastizing them for not "making a decent wage"???

Isn't it reasonable that there be beef (and other products) in various price ranges so that people with a wide range of incomes are able to buy it?

mrj
 
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