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JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT ALL WAS WELL AND THE TEARING DOWN OF THE ECONOMIES OF THE INDUSTRIALIZED NATIONS MIGHT BE OVER. A LITTLE MANIPULATION COMES ALONG.

ITS NO LONGER HIGHER TEMPS WE MUST FEAR BUT NOW IN THE NAME OF HUMAN HEALTH THEY WILL ATTACK INDUSTRY.

NOTHING MORE THAN THE SAME OLD BROKEN RECORD.

KIND OF FUNNY BECAUSE obama MET WITH gore TODAY.

Sure hope someone comes along with some game changing emails soon.:mad:





Historic EPA finding: Greenhouse gases harm humans


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AP – Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Lisa Jackson makes announcement on climate during a news …
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By H. JOSEF HEBERT and DINA CAPPIELLO, Associated Press Writers – 30 mins ago
WASHINGTON – The Obama administration took a major step Monday toward imposing the first federal limits on climate-changing pollution from cars, power plants and factories, declaring there was compelling scientific evidence that global warming from manmade greenhouse gases endangers Americans' health.
The announcement by the Environmental Protection Agency was clearly timed to build momentum toward an agreement at the international conference on climate change that opened Monday in Copenhagen, Denmark. It signaled the administration was prepared to push ahead for significant controls in the U.S. if Congress doesn't act first on its own.
The EPA finding clears the way for rules that eventually could force the sale of more fuel-efficient vehicles and require plants to install costly new equipment or shift to other forms of energy.
Energy prices for many Americans probably would rise — though Monday's finding will have no immediate impact since regulations have yet to be written. Supporters of separate legislation in Congress argue they could craft measures that would mitigate some of those costs.
Environmentalists hailed the EPA announcement as a clear indication the United States will take steps to attack climate change even if Congress fails to act. And they welcomed the timing of the declaration, saying it will help the Obama administration convince delegates at the international climate talks that the U.S. is serious about addressing the problem. Obama will address the conference next week.
But business groups said regulating carbon emissions through the EPA under existing clean air law would put new economic burdens on manufacturers, cost jobs and drive up energy prices.
"It will choke off growth by adding new mandates to virtually every major construction and renovation project," declared Thomas Donohue, president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, which in recent months has been particularly critical of the EPA's attempt to address climate change.
The EPA signaled last April that it was inclined to view heat-trapping pollution as a threat to public health and welfare and began to take public comments for formal rulemaking. That marked a reversal from the Bush administration, which had refused to issue the finding, despite a conclusion by EPA scientists that it was warranted.
EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson said Monday, "There are no more excuses for delaying," adding that the so-called endangerment analysis from global warming had been under consideration at the agency for three years. After the official finding, she said the agency is now "obligated to make reasonable efforts to reduce greenhouse pollutants under the Clean Air Act."
White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said President Barack Obama "still believes the best way to move forward is through the legislative process" — something Obama has expressed on a number of occasions as he has pressed Congress to shift the nation's energy priorities away from fossil fuels and to reduce climate-changing pollution.
The EPA said scientific evidence clearly shows that greenhouse gases "threaten the public health and welfare of the American people" and that the pollutants — mainly carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuels — should be reduced, if not by Congress then by the agency responsible for enforcing air pollution.
"These long-overdue findings cement 2009's place in history as the year when the United States government began addressing the challenge of greenhouse-gas pollution," said Jackson.
She rejected claims by climate skeptics that the science of global warming remains in doubt, an argument given additional attention in recent weeks with the disclosure through intercepted e-mails that a British scientist had privately discussed ways to shield certain climate data from public scrutiny.
"The vast body of evidence not only remains unassailable, it has grown even stronger," said Jackson.
Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., a lead author of a climate bill before the Senate, said of the finding: "This is a clear message to Copenhagen of the Obama administration's commitments to address global climate change. ... The message to Congress is crystal clear: Get moving."
Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., also a co-author, said, "The Senate has a duty to act."
Business groups have strongly argued against tackling global warming through the Clean Air Act, saying it is less flexible and more costly than the cap-and-trade legislation being considered by Congress. Any regulations from the EPA are certain to spawn lawsuits and a lengthy legal fights.
"Such regulations would be intrusive, inefficient and excessively costly, chill job growth and delay business expansion," argued Jack Gerard, president of the American Petroleum Institute, which also has been critical of the climate legislation before Congress.
"The Clean Air Act can complement legislation," said Jackson. In fact, if Congress were to cap greenhouse gas emissions, the EPA probably would be given the responsibility of implementing the law.
The EPA's involvement in reducing climate-changing pollution, stems from a 2007 Supreme Court decision that declared that carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases are pollutants under the Clean Air Act. But the court said the EPA would have to determine if these pollutants pose a danger to public health and welfare before it could regulate them.
 

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Steve

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The main greenhouse gases in the Earth's atmosphere are water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide, and ozone.

water vapor, which contributes 72%

banning water vapor,.. that should be easy... just pave over the oceans.. okey.. so if we cover it with an oil slick it will slow the amout of vapor..

The contribution to the greenhouse effect by a gas is affected by both the characteristics of the gas and its abundance. For example, on a molecule-for-molecule basis methane is about eight times stronger greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide

again... pave over the swamps and slews.. I mean wetlands... or at least fill them in...

Main articles: Tropospheric ozone and Photochemical smog

Low level ozone (or tropospheric ozone) is regarded as a pollutant by the World Health Organization[15] and the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). It is not emitted directly by car engines or by industrial operations,

ozone.. didn't we ban a bunch of stuff to save that.. again.. break out the freon and lets recharge all the A/Cs...

really this is as stupid as putting MTBE in Gas to clean up the air and find out that all the ground water is polluted by the crap..

carbon dioxide and five other greenhouse gases (methane, nitrous oxide, hydrofluorocarbons, perfluorocarbons and sulfur hexafluoride)

okey who has been into the laughing gas?

seriously..I didn't know what some of these were so I looked it up. and was shocked they would try to ban them..
Hydrofluorocarbons

Hydrofluorocarbons, organic compounds that contain only one or a few fluorine atoms, are the more common type of organofluorine compounds. Flurocarbons with few C-F bonds behave similarly to the parent hydrocarbons, but their reactivity can be altered significantly. For example, both uracil and 5-fluorouracil are colourless, high-melting crystalline solids, but the latter is a potent anti-cancer drug. The use of the C-F bond in pharmaceuticals is predicated on this altered reactivity.

Medical applications require high purity perfluorocarbons.

Eye surgery

Perfluorocarbons are commonly used in eye surgery as temporary replacements of the vitreous humor in retinal detachment surgery.

Imaging

Perfluorocarbons are also used in contrast-enhanced ultrasound to improve ultrasound signal

iquid breathing
Main article: Liquid breathing

Perfluorocarbons dissolve relatively high concentrations of gasesliquid breathing could assist in the treatment of patients with severe pulmonary or cardiac trauma, especially in pediatric cases.

Other applications

PFCs are being used in refrigerating units as replacements for CFCs (haloalkanes), often in conjunction with other gases, and as "clean" fire extinguishers.
first we ban CFC's to protect the ozone.. now we ban it's replacement?

Medical use

Because SF6 is relatively slowly absorbed by the bloodstream, it is used to provide a long-term tamponade or plug of a retinal hole in retinal detachment repair operations.

In a further medical application, SF6 is employed as a contrast agent for ultrasound imaging. Sulfur hexafluoride microbubbles are administered in solution through injection into a peripheral vein. These microbubbles enhance the visibility of blood vessels to ultrasound. This application has been utilized to examine the vascularity of tumours amongst other things.

looks to me as not having these "greenhouse gases" is going to be harmful to a lot of "humans"..

while I only did a small amount of research, it seems the medical community and refrigeration is in deep trouble.. so how many years does this set back technology?
 

Tam

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If they REALLY want to safe the earth Obama and Gore should stay home and stop jet setting around the world lieing to people.
 
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