Oldtimer said:
Lonecowboy said:
Oldtimer wrote:
The same with the major Montana Tea Party leader that went on the internet and gave the message that we should be out assaulting and murdering all homosexuals...
OK that has been proven time and time again as an outright LIE-
you keep repeating it trying to make it stick- How is that working for you Oldtimer? How many people believe Oldtimer on this one, please stand up and be counted?
Is that really the intellect and message you want to send to people?
You may have somehow rationalized it in your mind- and proven it to yourself-- but it pretty well speaks for itself...
I do have to give this MT Tea Party an atta boy for recognizing the damage this extremist leader (Ravndal) was doing for their cause and getting rid of him as a leader-- but it still leaves me questioning their thinking for electing someone this radical to a leadership role in the first place...
Montana Tea Party Leader Axed Over Comments Concerning Hanging Of Homosexuals
The Huffington Post | Nick Wing First Posted: 09- 7-10 10:18 AM | Updated: 11- 7-10 05:12 AM
The president of Montana's Big Sky Tea Party Association has been fired from his leadership position following remarks made online that implied his support for the public hanging of homosexuals.
According to a report from the Helena Independent Record, former Big Sky Tea Party president Tim Ravndal had the following exchange posted on his Facebook profile back in July:
Tim Ravndal: "Marriage is between a man and a woman period! By giving rights to those otherwise would be a violation of the constitution and my own rights"
Keith Baker: "How dare you exercise your First Amendment Rights?"
Dennis Scranton: "I think fruits are decorative. Hang up where they can be seen and appreciated. Call Wyoming for display instructions."
Tim Ravndal: "@Kieth, OOPS I forgot this aint America no more! @Dennis, Where can I get that Wyoming printed instruction manual?"
Dennis Scranton: "Should be able to get info Gazette archives. Maybe even an illustration. Go back a bit over ten years."
The conversation was posted as a reaction to a recent ACLU lawsuit filed against the state of Montana in order to secure greater rights for same-sex couples and their families, and appears to allude to the gruesome murder of gay University of Wyoming student Matthew Shepard, who was tortured and tied to fencepost in Laramie in 1998. He later died from his injuries.
OK. this is a waste of time but I will try one more time, let's break this down line by line>
Tim Ravndal: "Marriage is between a man and a woman period! By giving rights to those otherwise would be a violation of the constitution and my own rights"
Nothing wrong or hatefilled or anti-gay in that sentence by Tim R., let's move on.
Keith Baker: "How dare you exercise your First Amendment Rights?"
OK, nothing wrong in that statement!, moving on
]Dennis Scranton: "I think fruits are decorative. Hang up where they can be seen and appreciated. Call Wyoming for display instructions."
OK, this is Dennis Scranton -not Tim R. who you ot are trying to pin this on, lets see tim's response>moving on
Tim Ravndal: "@Kieth, OOPS I forgot this aint America no more
responding to freedom of speech- nothing anti gay or hatefilled here> moving on
@Dennis, Where can I get that Wyoming printed instruction manual?"
OK, here is the terrible response in question- "Where can I get that Wyoming printed instruction manual?" If you know the shepard case and know that's what's being refered too this could be taken as anti-gay.But to portray this as advocating killing all gays is a far far stretch oldtimer.
So the question is, Did Tim R. know what this was in reference to? let's read on>
Dennis Scranton: "Should be able to get info Gazette archives. Maybe even an illustration. Go back a bit over ten years."[/b]
So even Dennis Scranton doesn't think Tim R. understands what he is refering to! HMMMMMMMM! that is interesting isn't it? and this exchange makes Tim R. calling for the killing and torture of gays? at the very best circumstancial evidence.
Oltimer wrote:
and appears to allude to the gruesome murder of gay University of Wyoming student Matthew Shepard, who was tortured and tied to fencepost in Laramie in 1998.
appears to allude by Dennis Scranton was talking about Matthew Shepard NOT Tim R.
Appears to ellude that even Dennis Scranton didn't think Tim R. was following his conversation.
Appears to ellude that Oldtimer is lying, or at least stretching to the wildest limits, the truth about Tim Ravndal and trying to use this to defame the TEA party.
Who has oldtimer influenced negatively about Tim Ravndal?, please stand up and be counted! Who has Oldtimer influenced negatively about the TEA party? please stand up and be counted!