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Kill Courts?

Whitewing

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Proposals to vet future US drone strikes risk creating "kill courts" according to human rights campaigners who say Barack Obama's promise of new legal oversight does not go far enough to end what they regard as extrajudicial executions.

The president has asked Congress to consider establishing a special court or oversight board to authorise lethal action outside warzones under a new counter-terrorism doctrine which he says will end the "boundless war on terror".

But responses to his speech from leading campaign groups, though broadly welcoming, highlight how little change Obama is proposing to the underlying principle that the US has a legal right to kill suspected terrorists abroad without trial.

In his speech on Thursday, Obama suggested that in the future drone attacks would be limited, and that they would be carried out primarily by the US military rather than the CIA.

Obama said that US military intervention abroad did not guarantee the safety of Americans at home, and often fomented extremism. "A perpetual war – through drones or special forces or troop deployments – will prove self-defeating and alter our country in troubling ways," he said.

But he defended his administration's decision to launch hundreds of such strikes in recent years, insisting they were more discriminating than other military options such as aerial bombing and had helped prevent terrorist attacks.

Obama also said he would ask Congress to review his proposal for future drone strikes to be subject to court review or an independent oversight board.

"The establishment of a special court to evaluate and authorise lethal action has the benefit of bringing a third branch of government into the process, but raises serious constitutional issues about presidential and judicial authority," he said.

Zeke Johnson, director of Amnesty International USA's Security with Human Rights Campaign, said: "What's needed on drones is not a 'kill court' but rejection of the radical redefinition of 'imminence' used to expand who can be killed as well as independent investigations of alleged extrajudicial executions and remedy for victims.

"The president was right to call for repeal of the 2001 authorisation for use of military force, but he doesn't need to wait for Congress to act on this. He can unequivocally reject the 'global war' legal theory today, once and for all, and put an end to the indefinite detention, military commissions and unlawful killings it has been used to justify."

This view was echoed by the American Civil Liberties Union, which welcomed new restrictions against so-called 'signature strikes' on suspicious groups but warned the notion of legal authority for targeted assassinations remained deeply flawed.

"To the extent the speech signals an end to signature strikes, recognises the need for congressional oversight, and restricts the use of drones to threats against the American people, the developments on targeted killings are promising," said ACLU director Anthony Romero. "Yet the president still claims broad authority to carry out target killings far from any battlefield, and there is still insufficient transparency. We continue to disagree fundamentally with the idea that due process requirements can be satisfied without any form of judicial oversight by regular federal courts."

Both groups also urged the president and Congress to do more to shut the Guantánamo Bay detention centre and expressed concern about plans to seek a US location for military commissions rather than try detainees in civil courts.

"President Obama was right not to endorse the concept of indefinite detention, but his proposal to restart unfair military commissions in the mainland US should be rejected as both unlawful and unnecessary," said Johnson of Amnesty.

"Congress must stop hindering reform. Elected officials should repeal the remaining legislative obstacles to closing the detention facility and make the Senate report on CIA torture public."

But the ACLU said Congress was actually ahead of the White House on a number of civil liberties issues.

"The ACLU realizes that Congress has thrown significant barriers in closing Guantánamo," said Romero. "But in some areas Congress has been more progressive, having recently demanded legal memoranda that claim to authorize the illegal killing programme."

He concluded that Washington's new rhetoric on respecting human rights during its fight against terrorism needed to be matched by quicker action.

"Four years into his presidency, President Obama has finally taken the first steps to jumpstart his administration's effort to make good on early campaign promises to close Guantánamo and recognised the human cost of failing to act," said the ACLU director. "[He] is right to say that we cannot be on a war footing forever – but the time to take our country off the global warpath and fully restore the rule of law is now, not at some indeterminate future point."
 

Steve

Well-known member
does any one know the destination of distraction.. wag the dog... political side show... if not..

this is a pretty good example..

"Four years into his presidency, President Obama has finally taken the first steps to jumpstart his administration's effort to make good on early campaign promises


:roll:
 

Steve

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death warrants are considered warrants of execution ,and are issued by a Governor or the president after a trail and due process has been rendered and all appeals have been exhausted.. (death penalty)

wanted dead or alive only refers to the reward..

interpretations of 'dead or alive' to mean "we will still pay even if he dies while resisting arrest" or "if you stumble upon proof of his death, we'll reward you for saving us the trouble of continuing our manhunt."

The Fourteenth Amendment was ratified in 1868 to protect the due process rights of former slaves and applied directly to the States.

"No State shall . . . deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

The wanted dead or alive posters are simply for a reward. They are not permissions to execute the person. Just that if they happen to be dead, you can still collect equal reward.
http://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1a1g7o/was_wanted_dead_or_alive_ever_constitutional/


Historically, some wanted posters offering a reward contained the phrase "dead or alive". Thus one would get a reward for either bringing the person or his body to the authorities. This could indicate that the person was an outlaw, and that it was allowed to kill him if he resisted arrest.


seems historically the person was still paid the reward if the criminal was killed becasue he resisted arrest..

it appears the court didn't just authorize anyone to shoot him..
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
it appears the court didn't just authorize anyone to shoot him..

Of course they didn't. And as was pointed out in your post and all posts previously, the object of the reward had already had his day in court.

Those of us who adhere to that precious Constitution support a person's right to have his day in court. Guys like The King et al, well, not so much.
 
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