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Red Robin

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Hillary's Nose Is Growing

Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:17 AM

By: Ronald Kessler Article Font Size




As Hillary Clinton rises in the polls, her nose grows longer and longer.

To be sure, she has never had any shame about making stories up out of thin air. After 9/11, Clinton appeared on national TV and claimed that when the two airplanes hit the World Trade Center, her daughter Chelsea was going to jog at Battery Park near the towers, where she heard and saw the catastrophe unfold.

Clinton’s arrogance was so profound that she did not coordinate the story with Chelsea, who wrote an article for Talk in which she described what she had been doing that day. According to Chelsea, she was on the other side of town in a friend’s apartment on Park Avenue South. She watched the events unfold on TV.

Nor does Clinton’s hypocrisy have any limits. When asked about the recent MoveOn.org ad suggesting that Gen. David Petraeus has betrayed the country, Clinton on "Meet the Press" on Sept. 23 called for an end to such attacks. “I don’t condone anything like that, and I have voted against those who would impugn the patriotism and the service of the people who wear the uniform of our country,” she said.

Yet three days earlier, Clinton had voted against a Senate resolution to condemn the MoveOn.org ad. Her closest competitor, Sen. Barack Obama, voted earlier that day but conveniently missed the vote condemning the ad.

Now that she begins to see her candidacy in the general election as a certainty, Clinton’s prevarications — largely ignored by the media — are becoming more frequent.

On Sept. 23, on "Fox News Sunday," Clinton said that she has “fought hard” for body armor . . .” She added, “I’ve stood with my colleagues to fight hard for armored vehicles because we knew that they needed additional protection in Iraq and they weren’t getting it.”

Yet last May, Clinton voted against the emergency supplemental bill to provide $1.6 billion for body armor, including advanced combat helmets; $2.4 billion to help protect against improvised explosive devices; and $3 billion for mine-resistant, ambush protected vehicles.

During her Sept 23 appearance on "Meet The Press," Clinton said that current strategy in Iraq is not working: “I will end our involvement at the level that we’ve seen that has not proven to be successful.” But in August, Clinton had said in a speech at the Veterans of Foreign Wars national convention in Kansas City, Mo., that the so-called surge in Iraq is “working.”

Clinton’s prevarications about her vote to support the Iraq war are even more striking. On Oct. 10, 2002, she stated on the Senate floor: “It is clear. . . that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capability to wage biological and chemical warfare and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.” On Sept. 15, 2002, she said on "Meet the Press": “I can support the president, I can support an action against Saddam Hussein because I think it’s in the long term interests of our national security . . .”

Yet this year in the Democratic presidential debate on Aug. 19 in Des Moines, Clinton claimed that when she voted for the Authorization of the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq, she thought she was voting to support more diplomatic efforts. She said she “regret[ed] giving George Bush the authority that he misused and abused.”

In fact, she voted against an amendment introduced in 2002 by Sen. Carl Levin that would have required more diplomacy. On the Sept. 23 "Meet the Press," Clinton made yet another misleading statement about that vote, saying she opposed the measure because she did not want to give the United Nations veto power over U.S. actions. But the measure did not give the U.N. veto power and explicitly said the U.S. has the inherent right to use military force in self-defense.

In fundraising appeals, Clinton has claimed the administration is spying on innocent Americans, when she knows that National Security Agency intercepts of calls and e-mails are to ping in on terrorists before they kill innocent Americans.

Last Sunday, when asked questions by Chris Wallace on "Fox News Sunday" and by Bob Schieffer on CBS' "Face the Nation," Clinton engaged in prolonged cackling. In particular, when asked by Schieffer if her healthcare plan was a step toward socialized medicine, Clinton began to giggle uncontrollably.

Like her ever changing positions on Iraq, her contrived performance suggests that she thinks she can give almost any response to a question and get away with it.

“Hillary has a keen sense of entitlement,” Bay Buchanan, author of "The Extreme Makeover of Hillary (Rodham) Clinton," has told me. “She doesn’t admit mistakes or learn from them. She believes in her own mind that she doesn’t have to take responsibility for things she’s done in the past. She can say whatever it is she wants to say today, and it’s as if the slate is clean and nothing has occurred before this.”

At a hearing on Sept. 11, Clinton told Gen. Petraeus that “the reports that you provide to us really require the willing suspension of disbelief.”

In making that accusation, Clinton aptly described what our own reaction should be to her serial dissembling. If any other job candidate had such a record, only a fool would hire the applicant. If Hillary Clinton becomes the Democratic presidential candidate in 2008, it will say as much about us as about her.
 

TSR

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Golly, she is portrayed in this article as being very similar to GW. Keep in mind the dates also in this article, lots of things change from 2002 to 2007.
 

Red Robin

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TSR said:
Golly, she is portrayed in this article as being very similar to GW. Keep in mind the dates also in this article, lots of things change from 2002 to 2007.
By portrayed, do you mean to say the article is incorrect? I guess I dont' see your point. Care to be more direct?
 
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Anonymous

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I don't know how Hillary is doing it-- but even the gamblers are putting their money on her...

She now has 1 to 1 Odds with the books, where Guiliani is sitting at 4 1/2 to 1 and old Fred is running 6 to 1.....

Right now the best long shot bet I see on the boards is Newt-- 50 to 1-- as I think he may be the only Repub that could beat Hill- that would pay anything if a guy won...
 

MoGal

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Hitlary is always saying, when anyone talks about her,

"I pay them no mind"
"I don't pay any attention to them"

I figure if she gets in, she'll pay no attention to the American people either and do just exactly as she pleases whether its good for the USA or the American people. It's all about Hillary.
Seems like that's the attitude of many people now adays..... its all about me, what about me and screw everyone else.
 

kolanuraven

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MoGal said:
Hitlary is always saying, when anyone talks about her,

"I pay them no mind"
"I don't pay any attention to them"

I figure if she gets in, she'll pay no attention to the American people either and do just exactly as she pleases whether its good for the USA or the American people. It's all about Hillary.
Seems like that's the attitude of many people now adays..... its all about me, what about me and screw everyone else.[/quote]




In other words then...she's gonna act just like " Dubya" then???????


And....why do people get the silly idea that spelling Clinton with a "k" is some sort of wicked slam?????? That't 3rd grade stuff!!
 

Texan

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kolanuraven said:
And....why do people get the silly idea that spelling Clinton with a "k" is some sort of wicked slam?????? That't 3rd grade stuff!!
If it's okay to spell cola with a k, it ought to be okay to spell klinton with a k.
 

kolanuraven

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Well yeah...if that the right way to spell it.

Kolanu is spelled with a 'k'!! It means raven in Cherokee!

I just slammed them together cause at the time I joined there already was a poster using 'raven'.
 
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Anonymous

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Oldtimer said:
Right now the best long shot bet I see on the boards is Newt-- 50 to 1-- as I think he may be the only Repub that could beat Hill- that would pay anything if a guy won...

Good thing I didn't put any money down on Newt-- Fox news is reporting that he will announce this afternoon that he is not a candidate...

Republican party is getting kind of comical--- am not running, am running, am not running-- am not gay, am gay, am not gay--am not guilty, am guilty, am not guilty-- am not resigning, am resigning, am not resigning... :wink: :lol:

Reminds me of the NCBA for M-COOL, against M-COOL, for M-COOL-- is a North American herd, isn't a North American, maybe, kind of, sorta we want a North American herd.... :wink: :lol:
What a joke!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: All these guys are so used to dancing for their puppet handlers they can't make a decision on their own....
No wonder nothing has been accomplished in D.C. for the last 10 years... :( :mad:
 

kolanuraven

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Oldtimer said:
Oldtimer said:
Good thing I didn't put any money down on Newt-- Fox news is reporting that he will announce this afternoon that he is not a candidate...



I said LONG LONG ago that he would NOT run. He was causing some disruption and distraction. He's good at that!!!! :wink:
 

quickdraw

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kolanuraven said:
Well yeah...if that the right way to spell it.

Kolanu is spelled with a 'k'!! It means raven in Cherokee!

I just slammed them together cause at the time I joined there already was a poster using 'raven'.

In a literal sense you are correct about it meaning raven in Cherokee, however in true sense you are wrong. Kolanu is truely in reference to CLANS within the Cherokee nation

Osiyu/siyu nigadv,
Before the Spanish came in the 1500's our ancestors were Mound Builders. They built effigy and conical burial mounds from 1000BC to 700 AD .. Then came the big change of mound building with Temple Mounds, 900AD--1500's. There are alot in and around NC and Tenn..and North Georgia that still survive, that are Cherokee Temple Mounds.
At this time period ( from the original writtings of the 3 priest who traveled with DeSoto..1530-1541) they explained alot about what they saw and were amazed at the advanced level of culture. One of the things that has survived is that the original Clans were 13 in number. The same number as on a Turtle shells back.. As one of my teachers told me "If there is more than 13 or less than 13 on a turtles back ..then the world will end"..
The Cherokee today even admit there were "other clans but dont remember them"..The 13 Clans are as follows... each had a specific job to do..
This is in NO specific order.. Ani= (ah-knee)="people of"
1-Ani Unole= Wind Clan
2-Ani Guledisgonihi=Dove Clan--One of the 4 Cardinal Points Clans
3-Ani Wodi= Paint Clan=One of the 4 cardianl points clans
4-Ani Sakoni= Blue Clan-One of the 4 Cardinal points Clans
5-Ani Gatogewi=Wild Potato Clan
6-Ani Inadv= = Snake Clan
7-Ani Awi= Deer Clan
8-Ani Waya= Wolf Clan
9-Ani Tlvdatsi= Panther Clan
10-Ani Yanu= Bear Clan--in myth they changed into bears..is why not a clan today..
11-Ani Doyi= Beaver Clan
12-Ani Tuksi= Turtle Clan
13-Ani Kolanu= Raven Clan--one of the 4 cardinal Clans... is mentioned in Mooney's myths and other sources as being the far western Clan in East Tenn, with a 'chief' called Raven


The name Kolanu also has many strong ties to the far EASTERN Indians, (non American Indian tribes), as a matter of fact right in your home state of GA there is a DR. KOLANU of rather significant fame and has nothing to do with the Cherokee nation.
 

kolanuraven

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quickdraw said:
kolanuraven said:
Well yeah...if that the right way to spell it.

Kolanu is spelled with a 'k'!! It means raven in Cherokee!

I just slammed them together cause at the time I joined there already was a poster using 'raven'.

In a literal sense you are correct about it meaning raven in Cherokee, however in true sense you are wrong. Kolanu is truely in reference to CLANS within the Cherokee nation

Osiyu/siyu nigadv,
Before the Spanish came in the 1500's our ancestors were Mound Builders. They built effigy and conical burial mounds from 1000BC to 700 AD .. Then came the big change of mound building with Temple Mounds, 900AD--1500's. There are alot in and around NC and Tenn..and North Georgia that still survive, that are Cherokee Temple Mounds.
At this time period ( from the original writtings of the 3 priest who traveled with DeSoto..1530-1541) they explained alot about what they saw and were amazed at the advanced level of culture. One of the things that has survived is that the original Clans were 13 in number. The same number as on a Turtle shells back.. As one of my teachers told me "If there is more than 13 or less than 13 on a turtles back ..then the world will end"..
The Cherokee today even admit there were "other clans but dont remember them"..The 13 Clans are as follows... each had a specific job to do..
This is in NO specific order.. Ani= (ah-knee)="people of"
1-Ani Unole= Wind Clan
2-Ani Guledisgonihi=Dove Clan--One of the 4 Cardinal Points Clans
3-Ani Wodi= Paint Clan=One of the 4 cardianl points clans
4-Ani Sakoni= Blue Clan-One of the 4 Cardinal points Clans
5-Ani Gatogewi=Wild Potato Clan
6-Ani Inadv= = Snake Clan
7-Ani Awi= Deer Clan
8-Ani Waya= Wolf Clan
9-Ani Tlvdatsi= Panther Clan
10-Ani Yanu= Bear Clan--in myth they changed into bears..is why not a clan today..
11-Ani Doyi= Beaver Clan
12-Ani Tuksi= Turtle Clan
13-Ani Kolanu= Raven Clan--one of the 4 cardinal Clans... is mentioned in Mooney's myths and other sources as being the far western Clan in East Tenn, with a 'chief' called Raven


The name Kolanu also has many strong ties to the far EASTERN Indians, (non American Indian tribes), as a matter of fact right in your home state of GA there is a DR. KOLANU of rather significant fame and has nothing to do with the Cherokee nation.


<<<Yawn>>> We grow up with this knowledge....I just didn't want to BORE these people with the details as most folks don't give a ratz arse!.

I sure hope you used Google to look all this up!!! :wink: :wink:
 

Goodpasture

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Kolanu is the phonic spelling of Raven. It is equally correct to spell it Golanu. The real spelling is here:
raven.jpg


But considering most browsers don't have the Cherokee Language installed as one of their fonts, the use of one of the phonic spellings is easier.

To HEAR the word, cut and paste this link into your browser:
http://www.cherokee.org/LexiconSoundFiles/Raven.wav

As far as having any relationship to Eastern Indian words or names, it is coincidental, just as many other words in the English language sound and/or look alike but have no relationship to each other. Words such as Too, Two, and to, or words like lead (the metal) and lead (as in leading a horse).
 

quickdraw

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kolanuraven said:
quickdraw said:
kolanuraven said:
Well yeah...if that the right way to spell it.

Kolanu is spelled with a 'k'!! It means raven in Cherokee!

I just slammed them together cause at the time I joined there already was a poster using 'raven'.

In a literal sense you are correct about it meaning raven in Cherokee, however in true sense you are wrong. Kolanu is truely in reference to CLANS within the Cherokee nation

Osiyu/siyu nigadv,
Before the Spanish came in the 1500's our ancestors were Mound Builders. They built effigy and conical burial mounds from 1000BC to 700 AD .. Then came the big change of mound building with Temple Mounds, 900AD--1500's. There are alot in and around NC and Tenn..and North Georgia that still survive, that are Cherokee Temple Mounds.
At this time period ( from the original writtings of the 3 priest who traveled with DeSoto..1530-1541) they explained alot about what they saw and were amazed at the advanced level of culture. One of the things that has survived is that the original Clans were 13 in number. The same number as on a Turtle shells back.. As one of my teachers told me "If there is more than 13 or less than 13 on a turtles back ..then the world will end"..
The Cherokee today even admit there were "other clans but dont remember them"..The 13 Clans are as follows... each had a specific job to do..
This is in NO specific order.. Ani= (ah-knee)="people of"
1-Ani Unole= Wind Clan
2-Ani Guledisgonihi=Dove Clan--One of the 4 Cardinal Points Clans
3-Ani Wodi= Paint Clan=One of the 4 cardianl points clans
4-Ani Sakoni= Blue Clan-One of the 4 Cardinal points Clans
5-Ani Gatogewi=Wild Potato Clan
6-Ani Inadv= = Snake Clan
7-Ani Awi= Deer Clan
8-Ani Waya= Wolf Clan
9-Ani Tlvdatsi= Panther Clan
10-Ani Yanu= Bear Clan--in myth they changed into bears..is why not a clan today..
11-Ani Doyi= Beaver Clan
12-Ani Tuksi= Turtle Clan
13-Ani Kolanu= Raven Clan--one of the 4 cardinal Clans... is mentioned in Mooney's myths and other sources as being the far western Clan in East Tenn, with a 'chief' called Raven


The name Kolanu also has many strong ties to the far EASTERN Indians, (non American Indian tribes), as a matter of fact right in your home state of GA there is a DR. KOLANU of rather significant fame and has nothing to do with the Cherokee nation.


<<<Yawn>>> We grow up with this knowledge....I just didn't want to BORE these people with the details as most folks don't give a ratz arse!.

I sure hope you used Google to look all this up!!! :wink: :wink:

:roll: Just like you did :roll: :roll: Actully I did use google, but not to check up on your name usage, I stumbled on that by mere accident while doing some other research! :D :D :wink:
 

kolanuraven

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Well then Thank You from a large stock holder in Google!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

We grow up with all this info...we don't have to look it up. It's day in and day out at times.

If you have not read Mooney's report from the 7th & 19th Annual reports from the Bureau of American Ethnology....do so as it's a great read for anyone. The stories are great for little kids!!


Man all this Cherokee" talk" is making me want some fry bread !!!! :lol: :lol:
 

TSR

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Red Robin said:
TSR said:
Golly, she is portrayed in this article as being very similar to GW. Keep in mind the dates also in this article, lots of things change from 2002 to 2007.
By portrayed, do you mean to say the article is incorrect? I guess I dont' see your point. Care to be more direct?

Oh just the paragraph that begins "Hillary has a keen sesnse of entitlement..............
To me, this reminds me of our president.
 
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