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Kola- Bill Making Headlines Again

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IL Rancher said:
He plays the DA on Law and Order, was an Admiral in Hunt for Red October and I think he was a Senator from Tennessee.. I like him for the most part on personality but I just don't know enough about him on other things.. The one thing he has going for him is he is an articulate speaker, especially compared to the Bushes.. I don't know if he has the patience for politics, think that is why he left office to begin with..

Never saw either one of them- but I go to few modern movies and watch no regular TV anymore...Can't stand these new shows...I think the last movie my wife drug me to was Pearl Harbor...On TV the only movies I watch is the golden oldies- John Wayne- Tom Selleck- Lonesome Dove...
And the only TV shows are sports or reruns of Gunsmoke/I Love Lucy era shows- made back when life was much more simple...

Yeah- I've been reading up on Thompson- and he does sound like the best the Repubs have put forward-- but he has some deep lobbying ties to the corporate world and is a heavy backer of us sticking our nose in every area of the world..... :?
 

IL Rancher

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I don't watch a lot of TV these days either except sports and a few random shows that my wife or daughter watch.. Oh, and a cattle auction from time to time but if I am visiting my folks they like to watch Law and Order and I saw Red October 15 or so years ago when it came out.... I don't know about who I will vote for in the primaries.. I know who I won't vote for but I still need to figure out the final decsion.. It, in the end doesn't matter much in this state as it will be a Dem state no matter who runs, Regan was last Republican to take the state if I remember right and if anything the state has gone further left in the past 8 years (Well, Chicago area has which controls the rest of the state)...

Io don't think I will find a canidate who will match my libertarian ideals mixed with some very conservative beliefs of mine.. Sometimes.. Well, usually, I wish this country had about a 15 party system...
 

Jinglebob

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IL Rancher said:
I don't watch a lot of TV these days either except sports and a few random shows that my wife or daughter watch.. Oh, and a cattle auction from time to time but if I am visiting my folks they like to watch Law and Order and I saw Red October 15 or so years ago when it came out.... I don't know about who I will vote for in the primaries.. I know who I won't vote for but I still need to figure out the final decsion.. It, in the end doesn't matter much in this state as it will be a Dem state no matter who runs, Regan was last Republican to take the state if I remember right and if anything the state has gone further left in the past 8 years (Well, Chicago area has which controls the rest of the state)...



Io don't think I will find a canidate who will match my libertarian ideals mixed with some very conservative beliefs of mine.. Sometimes.. Well, usually, I wish this country had about a 15 party system...
Check out Ron Paul. I think he would be good for this country but the big corps don't like him so he might be doomed.

If we could get all the people to vote for an Indy or Libertarian, it would sure shke them all up across the country.
 
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Jinglebob said:
IL Rancher said:
I don't watch a lot of TV these days either except sports and a few random shows that my wife or daughter watch.. Oh, and a cattle auction from time to time but if I am visiting my folks they like to watch Law and Order and I saw Red October 15 or so years ago when it came out.... I don't know about who I will vote for in the primaries.. I know who I won't vote for but I still need to figure out the final decsion.. It, in the end doesn't matter much in this state as it will be a Dem state no matter who runs, Regan was last Republican to take the state if I remember right and if anything the state has gone further left in the past 8 years (Well, Chicago area has which controls the rest of the state)...



Io don't think I will find a canidate who will match my libertarian ideals mixed with some very conservative beliefs of mine.. Sometimes.. Well, usually, I wish this country had about a 15 party system...
Check out Ron Paul. I think he would be good for this country but the big corps don't like him so he might be doomed.

If we could get all the people to vote for an Indy or Libertarian, it would sure shke them all up across the country.

Jinglebob-- I like Paul too-- I guess its the Libertarian in me coming out...But I don't think he stands a chance...
 
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News from the Votemaster
If all the rumors can be believed, former senator Fred Thompson is going to toss his hat into the ring around July 4th. Here's what to expect from the spin doctors:

Republicans
- He's pro life, starting at conception
- He's for family values
- He is a true conservative; you can count on it
- He was a tough co-chief counsel at the Watergate hearings
- He is against corrupt Democrats AND corrupt Republicans (see above)
- He is on the legal defense board of the much persecuted Scooter Libby
- He served honorably in the United States Senate 8 years
- Like Ronald Reagan, he was an actor and is good at communicating
- He is well known and inspires trust


Democrats
- In high school he got his girfriend pregnant and had a Tennessee-style shotgun wedding
- He eventually divorced his wife and married a cutie 24 years his junior, younger than his own daughter
- For 17 years he worked as a Washington lobbyist for big corporations
- He was a lazy senator who has no legislation to his credit
- He will be 65 in August and has incurable cancer
- Unlike Ronald Reagan, he does not have 8 years experience as governor of the nation's most populous state
- He was of prime draft age during Vietnam, but he dodged the draft
- He knows nothing about foreign policy, defense or terrorism (other than being against it)


Same guy? Yup.
 

kolanuraven

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He may or maynot be suitable to the job...but what I get soooooo sick of hearing are the comparisons to Ronald Reagan!!

Ronnie was OK....the time in history that he came to office made more of a ' legend' for him than he did for himself.

Everyone's a hero when they are dead, all the warts fall off, i.e Kennedy for the #1 example.
 

Red Robin

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kolanuraven said:
He may or maynot be suitable to the job...but what I get soooooo sick of hearing are the comparisons to Ronald Reagan!!

Ronnie was OK....the time in history that he came to office made more of a ' legend' for him than he did for himself.

Everyone's a hero when they are dead, all the warts fall off, i.e Kennedy for the #1 example.
At least you're honest about it. I remember the Reagan years and the democrats absolutely hated him then. He is the only president in my lifetime that mostly did what he said he was going to do and made everyone else like it or lump it.
 
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Hillary, Bill Clinton Linked to Elder Scam - How Much Were They Paid?
Dick Morris & Eileen McGann
Tuesday, May 29, 2007




Since he left office in 2001, former president Bill Clinton has been paid $3.3 million by InfoUSA, an Omaha, Nebraska company that has been identified as a key provider of specially designed databases that have been sold to criminals who use the detailed information to defraud the unsuspecting elderly.

The consulting fees to the former president were only part of the largess InfoUSA showered on the former president.

Vinod Gupta, the CEO of InfoUSA, lent the Clintons the company's jet which took them to places like Switzerland, Hawaii, Jamaica and Mexico.

The jet service was worth a staggering $900,000.


And Gupta gave the Clinton library a six-figure gift as well. Indeed, just months after he left the presidency, Bill Clinton was paid $200,000 for a speech given to InfoUSA in Omaha.

InfoUSA is not the kind of company with which a former president and the husband of a presidential candidate should associate.


According to the The New York Times, InfoUSA compiled and sold lists that disclosed the names of elderly men and women who would be likely to respond to unscrupulous scams.

The lists left no doubt about the vulnerability of the elderly targets.


The Times reported, for example, that InfoUSA advertised lists of "Elderly Opportunity Seekers," 3.3 million older people "looking for ways to make money," and "Suffering Seniors," 4.7 million people with cancer or Alzheimer's disease. "Oldies but Goodies" contained 500,000 gamblers over 55 years old, for 8.5 cents apiece. One list said: "These people are gullible. They want to believe that their luck can change."

InfoUSA sold lists to companies that were under investigation or closed down by courts because of their criminal activity. The company's internal emails show that employees were aware that the investigation for elderly fraud involved their customers, but sold the lists anyway.

The Times profiled one unfortunate 92-year-old man who entered a sweepstakes sponsored by InfoUSA. The information that he innocently provided was then sold to the predator marketers. After responding to their telemarketing calls seeking financial information, his entire life savings was stolen from his bank account at Wachovia Bank. These practices, using lists supplied by InfoUSA, were repeated all over the country.

Last week, Hillary Clinton sought and obtained an extension of time to file her presidential candidate financial disclosure statement.


This connection between the Clintons and InfoUSA only underscores the necessity of full disclosure of income sources and amounts by all the presidential candidates and the release of their income tax returns, a step Mrs. Clinton has, thus far, refused to take.



Full story:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/5/28/203543.shtml

Gupta's InfoUSA Pays Pelosi's Son
Ronald Kessler
Tuesday, June 5, 2007

A database company that has showered money on Bill and Hillary Clinton – and is alleged to have aided scam artists – now appears to have close links to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's family as well.

The firm InfoUSA, headed by major Clinton backer Vinod Gupta, has placed Pelosi's son, Paul Pelosi Jr., on its payroll – even though he has no experience in the company's main business activities, NewsMax has learned.

As NewsMax previously reported, InfoUSA repeatedly rented marketing databases to unscrupulous persons who used the information to defraud the unsuspecting elderly, investigators found.

The company is also under fire in a shareholder lawsuit which alleges that Gupta is appropriating company funds for personal use and his political pet projects.

Shareholder critics are furious that Gupta had InfoUsa pay former President Bill Clinton $2.1 million in "consulting fees" since he left the White House, with another $1.2 million promised.


Gupta has also spent roughly $1 million of InfoUsa funds to provide corporate jet flights for both President Clinton and his wife Hillary.

Pelosi's son Paul acknowledged he has also been taking trips on corporate jets provided by Info USA.


Paid $180,000 for Second Job



Just four weeks after Nancy Pelosi became speaker of the House this past January, Gupta and InfoUSA hired her son as a senior vice president. He told NewsMax InfoUsa pays him $180,000 a year.

Even though his job with InfoUSA is considered full-time, Paul Pelosi continues another full-time job, as a home loan officer at Countrywide Home Loans, part of Countrywide Financial, in San Mateo, a suburb of San Francisco.


While InfoUSA is based in Omaha, Pelosi said he reports to a small InfoUSA office in San Mateo.

In two interviews, Paul Pelosi confirmed that Gupta hired him as senior vice president for strategic development starting Feb. 1, just after Pelosi's mother took the gavel as speaker on Jan. 4. He said his mother is aware of his new job.

A person familiar with the arrangement says Gupta treats Pelosi as a "trophy" and has the Speaker's son accompany him at high profile meetings around the country.

Pelosi denied the suggestion he is being used because of his family ties. "I don't think that's really what happens," he said.

Nor does he "think" his hiring was related to his mother becoming speaker, he said. But he acknowledged the timing raises a "good question."

"It's interesting, timing-wise," Pelosi said. "I don't see it that way, but I could see why you'd ask the question ... I guess you always wonder why somebody hires you, right?"

Asked how he can hold two full-time jobs at once, Pelosi said Countrywide is satisfied as long as he fulfills his quotas.

Spokesmen for Nancy Pelosi and for InfoUSA did not respond to requests by NewsMax for comment.

Paul Pelosi said he met Gupta about three years ago when the businessman refinanced a $3 million Countrywide loan on one of his more than half a dozen homes. He said he decided to apply for a job with InfoUSA about six months ago.

Asked what a home mortgage loan officer would know about the business of InfoUsa which manages databases about consumers for direct mail and telemarketing, Pelosi said his experience in investment banking has been useful to the company in its acquisitions of other companies.

"Basically, the record's pretty clear that they buy about two or three companies a year and that is to continue," he said. "And so what you want to do is you want to take a look at the earnings of a company and you want to take a look at what they do ... You've got to do an analysis of the people and the strategic fit."

Pelosi said he "did the same thing" at Montgomery Securities and Bank of America, previous companies he worked for.

In 1995, Pelosi obtained a joint law degree and MBA from Georgetown University with a concentration in world economies and global sustainable development.

Before becoming a home loan officer at Countrywide, he was a sales manager at the company's San Mateo office.

"I'm very qualified at what I do," he said. "I work a lot of hours at it, and it's only been a couple months but in that short period of time, I've been able to really work on some material projects, which are coming forward."

Since starting with InfoUSA, Pelosi said he has looked into a possible acquisition of a company in Portland, Ore., with revenue of $8 million a year.

"For a company that does $650 million in [projected] revenue a year, $8 million is a small thing," Pelosi said. "I go in there and meet with the people, we look at the leases. We're trying to figure out what their cash flow is."

When he flies on the company jet, Pelosi said, it's always with Gupta on business. He said his relationship with Gupta is "nothing like the Clinton situation."

Full Story:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/6/4/210922.shtml?s=lh
 

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