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Krugman nails it

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Anonymous

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But the G.O.P.’s long transformation into the party of the unreasonable right, a haven for racists and reactionaries, seems likely to accelerate as a result of the impending defeat.

This will pose a dilemma for moderate conservatives. Many of them spent the Bush years in denial, closing their eyes to the administration’s dishonesty and contempt for the rule of law. Some of them have tried to maintain that denial through this year’s election season, even as the McCain-Palin campaign’s tactics have grown ever uglier. But one of these days they’re going to have to realize that the G.O.P. has become the party of intolerance.

Yep-a party of old white rich elitists and radicals--- as a former state Senator from my area said when he switched parties two years ago- "I didn't desert the Republican Party- the Republican Party deserted me"....

And thats exactly how I feel...
 

alice

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Ya' know, it always ticked me off that because I did not agree with Bush/Cheney and their cohorts, which is my right as a U. S. citizen, the neocons declared me un-American, a non Christian, and evil. I've been watching sister Sarah's rallies and listening to her rhetoric, and get the same message from her. :mad:

No way will I be a part of supporting that divisiveness that the conservatives are promoting among the United States of America's citizens.


Alice
 

Yanuck

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alice said:
Ya' know, it always ticked me off that because I did not agree with Bush/Cheney and their cohorts, which is my right as a U. S. citizen, the neocons declared me un-American, a non Christian, and evil. I've been watching sister Sarah's rallies and listening to her rhetoric, and get the same message from her. :mad:

No way will I be a part of supporting that divisiveness that the conservatives are promoting among the United States of America's citizens.


Alice

and so when OT and fff call us racists and facists because we don't want Obama, we get a warm fuzzy feeling all over!
 

fff

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Yanuck said:
alice said:
Ya' know, it always ticked me off that because I did not agree with Bush/Cheney and their cohorts, which is my right as a U. S. citizen, the neocons declared me un-American, a non Christian, and evil. I've been watching sister Sarah's rallies and listening to her rhetoric, and get the same message from her. :mad:

No way will I be a part of supporting that divisiveness that the conservatives are promoting among the United States of America's citizens.


Alice

and so when OT and fff call us racists and facists because we don't want Obama, we get a warm fuzzy feeling all over!

I've never called anyone a fascist. I don't remember calling anyone a racist. I believe that Mike one and he's probably proud of it. I also think there are several other people on here who are, but I'm not one for calling names MUCH.

Alice is right, though. Up until recently if you didn't support the Iraqi war, you were unAmerican and didn't "support" the troops but did support terrorists. I'm tired of the small fringe group of rightwingnuts having so much power and idiots running the government. We'll get more of them out of Congress this year. I don't put Bush in that category. He just used them for his advantage.
 

josh

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Oldtimer said:
But the G.O.P.’s long transformation into the party of the unreasonable right, a haven for racists and reactionaries, seems likely to accelerate as a result of the impending defeat.

This will pose a dilemma for moderate conservatives. Many of them spent the Bush years in denial, closing their eyes to the administration’s dishonesty and contempt for the rule of law. Some of them have tried to maintain that denial through this year’s election season, even as the McCain-Palin campaign’s tactics have grown ever uglier. But one of these days they’re going to have to realize that the G.O.P. has become the party of intolerance.

Yep-a party of old white rich elitists and radicals--- as a former state Senator from my area said when he switched parties two years ago- "I didn't desert the Republican Party- the Republican Party deserted me"....

And thats exactly how I feel...

What is Krugmann saying here? People who disagree with HIM are "racists and reactionary". That really raises the tone of the debate, doesn't it. :roll: I despise racism, so I guess I'm a reactionary.
The Dems left me behind 8 years ago.
 
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Anonymous

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I think this Republican parties wrapping themselves up with the extremist right wing social conservatives as their base is the key reason you're seeing so many endorsements by former administration members of Reagan/Nixon/Ford era....

Many of them spent the Bush years in denial, closing their eyes to the administration’s dishonesty and contempt for the rule of law. Some of them have tried to maintain that denial through this year’s election season, even as the McCain-Palin campaign’s tactics have grown ever uglier. But one of these days they’re going to have to realize that the G.O.P. has become the party of intolerance.

Some have came right out and said the right wing smear and false innuendo fearmongering and divisive tactics promoted by McCain/Palin have been what turned them to Obama....
 
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Anonymous

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alice said:
Ya' know, it always ticked me off that because I did not agree with Bush/Cheney and their cohorts, which is my right as a U. S. citizen, the neocons declared me un-American, a non Christian, and evil. I've been watching sister Sarah's rallies and listening to her rhetoric, and get the same message from her. :mad:

No way will I be a part of supporting that divisiveness that the conservatives are promoting among the United States of America's citizens.


Alice

Alice- sadly this new neocon fearmongering divide and attack Republicanism as followed by Bush/McCain is not the Republican party of old- nor the Republican Party I grew up with... :(

Old Teddy was probably spinning in his grave every day that Bush was in office... :wink:

The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public
Theodore Roosevelt 1918

Obedience of the law is demanded; not asked as a favor.
Theodore Roosevelt

No man is above the law, and no man is below it.
Theodore Roosevelt
 

alice

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
alice said:
Ya' know, it always ticked me off that because I did not agree with Bush/Cheney and their cohorts, which is my right as a U. S. citizen, the neocons declared me un-American, a non Christian, and evil. I've been watching sister Sarah's rallies and listening to her rhetoric, and get the same message from her. :mad:

No way will I be a part of supporting that divisiveness that the conservatives are promoting among the United States of America's citizens.


Alice

Alice- sadly this new neocon fearmongering divide and attack Republicanism as followed by Bush/McCain is not the Republican party of old- nor the Republican Party I grew up with... :(

Old Teddy was probably spinning in his grave every day that Bush was in office... :wink:

I know it's not, OT. My mother and daddy were staunch republicans who worked every election and spoke at many rallies when Republicans were running for office. Yet, I know beyond any doubt that they also have been spinning in their graves the last eight years.

Alice
 

badaxemoo

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My grandmother just turned 94. She still lives on the farm she and my grandfather bought during the Depression.

I believe she's voted Republican in every presidential election since '32.

She's finally had it with the direction her party has taken. She cares about the environment. She hates the war.

She's voting for Obama.

The Republican Party needs to do some soul-searching about its future.

It can again become the party of fiscal conservatism, small business, and non-interventionist foreign policy. Or it can become an increasingly marginalized regionalized party driven by the Bachmann religious right, neo-conservative chickenhawks and other species of wingnuts.

Either way, I'll be happy.
 
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Anonymous

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This weekend I had an 89 year old life long Republican- former county party chairman- ask me if I thought Obama was going to win... After I answered that it sure looked that way- his answer was "well the Republicans sure don't deserve to this year." :shock:
I left it at that....
 
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