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Lawsuit could force Kerry to come clean

Liberty Belle

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Just got this yesterday. Now that Kerry is making noises about running for president again, I hope these guys can afford to continue their lawsuit:

POWs' LAWSUIT COULD FORCE KERRY TO COME
CLEAN ON VIETNAM 'WAR CRIMES' CHARGES


When John Kerry slandered an entire generation of men who fought in Vietnam he branded them as "war criminals." Today, much of the same thing is being said about our young men and women in Iraq.

Now, a lawsuit filed in Philadelphia's Court of Common Pleas will test the very foundation of Kerry's anti-war persona for the first time. It isn't dubious medals or Kerry's disputed service record in Vietnam that is being called into question. This time Kerry may finally be forced to answer for the events that launched his public career, one that made him an anti-war hero for many American liberals and a turncoat for millions of Vietnam veterans.

The lawsuit (Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation, et al. v. Kenneth Campbell, et al.) challenges the basis, the factual accuracy of then Lt. (j.g.) Kerry's acrimonious testimony before the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971. It was there Kerry's public career was catapulted with his now ubiquitous portrayal of American soldiers as murderers, rapists and torturers "who ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam . . . [and] razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan."

For the anti-war, anti-American protesters, the American soldiers are the "terrorists," and the enemies are the victims of a barbaric U.S. military which tortures and murders defenseless civilians.

That false premise, one of the most vicious and enduring smears spawned by Kerry 35 years ago, will also be put to the test once Kerry's true "Band of Brothers" are put under oath in a Philadelphia courtroom.
The background to this lawsuit is long and complex, but even a condensed version is rich in irony and poetic justice.

It had it roots in 2004 with the documentary Stolen Honor: Wounds that Never Heal. Many may recall the film, although it is probably best known for not being seen, suppressed after Sinclair Broadcasting Company courageously announced it was going to air the documentary in its entirety. Thanks to Kerry and his liberal colleagues in the Senate and their enablers in the mainstream media, Sinclair was browbeaten into withdrawing the film, its broadcast license threatened by a Kerry campaign manager in 2004. The film's producer, Carlton Sherwood, a Pulitzer Prize and Peabody Award-winning investigative reporter, interviewed former POWs for the documentary.

I was among those whom Sherwood, a decorated Marine combat veteran himself, asked to participate in Stolen Honor. I was a POW for nearly six years, held in North Vietnam prison camps, including the notorious Hanoi Hilton, a place of unimaginable horrors -- torture, beatings, starvation and mind-numbing isolation. When Kerry branded us "war criminals," he handed our captors all the justification they needed to carry out their threats to execute us. Thanks to Kerry, Jane Fonda and their comrades in the anti-war movement, our captivity was prolonged by years. The communists in Hanoi and Moscow couldn't have had a better press agent to spread their anti-American propaganda.

To guarantee Stolen Honor would never be seen by anyone -- not even theatre-goers -- the producer was slapped with a libel and defamation lawsuit. That lawsuit was filed by Kenneth Campbell, a University of Delaware professor, Kerry campaign aide, and long-time anti-war disciple of the Massachusetts Senator. Campbell co-founded the Philadelphia chapter of Vietnam Veterans Against the War and, in 1971, he was one of Kerry's key war crimes "witnesses," one of several on whom Kerry claims he based his Senate testimony.

Campbell's lawsuit put a unique spin on the definition of defamation: He claimed that Stolen Honor damaged the public reputations of himself, Kerry and others by questioning whether they truly were the baby-killers they claimed to be!

The POWs and the wives of POWs who participated in Stolen Honor refused to abandon the facts conveyed in the film. For some of us, it was the first time since our release by the Communists in 1973 that we were able to have our voices publicly heard, to tell our stories about the consequences of Kerry's treachery. In 2005, we formed a nonprofit organization, the Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation (VVLF), to gather records, documents and other materials to form a fact-based, educational repository for students and scholars of Vietnam history and to tell the true story of the American soldiers in Vietnam. The VVLF's mission is "to set the record straight, factually, about Vietnam and those who fought there."

For our efforts, we were promptly sued by Campbell and another long-time anti-war Kerry follower and VVAW member, Dr. Jon Bjornson. It was clear that Kerry not only wanted to punish us for Stolen Honor; he intended to use surrogates to sue us into permanent silence and financial ruin.

Forced to spend huge sums to defend ourselves from these frivolous lawsuits, we have filed a countersuit against these Kerry surrogates and intend to reveal the truth about the lawsuits and their sponsors. We believe that we can prove that the purpose of nearly two years of litigation was to cover up for Kerry's treachery, to drain us financially and spiritually, and to prevent us from setting the record straight.

At stake is ultimately nothing less than the integrity of the American military in Vietnam, the honor of the men who served their country, the nobility of those who gave their lives, and the truth of America's history in Vietnam. Until or unless we do correct the existing record, the American military may never be free of the myths and smears of Vietnam, its honor and integrity cleansed as it fights to defend freedom at home and around the world.
 

kolanuraven

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You folks are looney!!!


You back a man who didn't even show up to fight in a war....and try to crucify a man who did show up and fight.
 

Mike

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You back a man who didn't even show up to fight in a war....

Who says he didn't show up? You and Dan Rather? :lol:

and try to crucify a man who did show up and fight.

Fighting? When you fake wounds so that you can go home early, to get the purple hearts, that's fighting?

Where was your buddy "Clinton" during all this fighting? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Did he show up too? :roll: :roll:
 
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Mike said:
Where was your buddy "Clinton" during all this fighting? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Did he show up too? :roll: :roll:

Now don't be picking on her- Billy had more important things than fighting- he was over in Oxford learning how to smoke those funny little roll your own cigarettes and perfecting his cigar dipping techniques :wink: :lol: But he didn't inhale :roll: :lol: :lol:
 

passin thru

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Oh how some forget. Maybe this will jog your memory so you will be cautious about trying to repeat your old drivel about Bush. Just some FACTS maam

George W. Bush volunteered for extra service time to be trained as a jet pilot, no walk in the park itself, and voluntarily requested the release of 450 pages of his own personal military records, and they have been misrepresented and propagandized to attack him.
Bush’s service to our nation as a supersonic F-102 Delta Dagger jet pilot, a dangerous task in itself. The mission of the 147th Fighter Group and its subordinate 111th FIS, Texas ANG, and their jets, the F-102, was air defense. The “Palace Alert Program” was ongoing when Bush joined the TANG and extended his service commitment to be trained as a pilot. The Palace Alert program had F-102 Delta Dagger pilots like Bush rotating to Vietnam and that 15 F-102 pilots were killed there, and that he volunteered to go there, but they changed the unit’s mission right after Bush started training. Bush sought and received permission to work on 2 campaigns after several years of service, and could not have been AWOL and still receive an honorable discharge.
If you check the 111th FIS records of 1970-72 and any other ANG squadron, you will find other pilots excused for career obligations and conflicts. The Bush excusal in 1972 was further facilitated by a change in the unit's mission, from an operational fighter squadron to a training squadron with a new airplane, the F-101, which required that more pilots be available for full-time instructor duty rather than part-time traditional reservists with outside employment.
There was a huge glut of pilots in the Air Force in 1972, and with no cockpits available to put them in, many were shoved into nonflying desk jobs. Any pilot could have left the Air Force or the Air Guard with ease after 1972 before his commitment was up because there just wasn't room for all of them anymore.
Air National Guard COL. William Campenni served as a pilot with President Bush in the Texas Air National Guard “If the 111th FIS and Lt. Bush did not go to Vietnam, blame President Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara, not lowly Lt. Bush. They deliberately avoided use of the Guard and Reserves for domestic political calculations, knowing that a draftee only stirred up the concerns of one family, while a call-up got a whole community's attention.” “Because of the training required, signing up for this duty meant up to 2½ years of active duty for training alone, plus a high probability of mobilization. If one chooses to check further they will find neither Bush or his bunch had anything to do with the MA sign.
Some Facts...........................
however if some choose to ignore them they either

1 Have a severe problem of hatred for Bush
2 Missed their LA (liberals Anonymous) meeting
3 Put their thong on backwards
4 Mad because their left wing liberals abandoned them
5 Mad because they can't help Bill (CHOKE CHOKE)
6 Need to take their sunglasses of in order to see












"Five years after 9/11, the worst attack on the American homeland in our history, Democrats offer nothing but criticism and obstruction and endless second-guessing." GWB

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13329
 

memanpa

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kolanuraven said:
Gosh PT.....the ways of you Rep's may have rubbed off on me.

Ya'll blame Clinton for every fart that is let world wide!!

and you and your kind do not blame bush for anything???? including the mess of katrina?

kolo, you are slipping!!!
2 bad statments in one post of only 10 posts and three of them are yours, go get ahold of reality :heart:
 

TSR

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memanpa said:
kolanuraven said:
Gosh PT.....the ways of you Rep's may have rubbed off on me.

Ya'll blame Clinton for every fart that is let world wide!!

and you and your kind do not blame bush for anything???? including the mess of katrina?

kolo, you are slipping!!!
2 bad statments in one post of only 10 posts and three of them are yours, go get ahold of reality :heart:

Its obvious osmeone is blaming him for something with his poll numbers the way they are, even on the conservative Fox news program.
 

Econ101

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memanpa said:
kolanuraven said:
Gosh PT.....the ways of you Rep's may have rubbed off on me.

Ya'll blame Clinton for every fart that is let world wide!!

and you and your kind do not blame bush for anything???? including the mess of katrina?

kolo, you are slipping!!!
2 bad statments in one post of only 10 posts and three of them are yours, go get ahold of reality :heart:

Katrina wasn't the fault of Bush but part of the handling of the aftermath is definitely his and his administration's fault. The trailers sitting on an old airfield in Arkansas is all on his administration's desk. Are they Clinton trailers?


More Katrina: GAO Reports Fraud; Trailers Languish in Arkansas
The GAO has successfully applied for FEMA payments using falsified data; a spot check of "damaged" properties in Texas and Louisiana showed 40 percent were "bogus," according to a report released Monday. And thousands still await FEMA trailers.

"We identified significant flaws in the process for registering disaster victims that leave the federal government vulnerable to fraud and abuse of EA [[Expedited Assistance] payments... To demonstrate the vulnerability inherent in the call-in applications, we used falsified identities, bogus addresses, and fabricated disaster stories to register for IHP [Individuals and Households Program].... [O]ur visits to over 200 of the case study damaged properties in Texas and Louisiana showed that at least 80 of these properties were bogus--including vacant lots and nonexistent apartments." Expedited Assistance for Victims of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita: FEMA's Control Weaknesses Exposed the Government to Significant Fraud and Abuse, GAO-06-403T. [Abstract, Full document - pdf, Highlights - pdf]

MSNBC reports that 500 Louisianans a day are applying for FEMA trailers and 400,000 may be eligible. Yet "only 12,000 of the 25,000 promised FEMA trailers are up and running." And about 11,000 are stored at the Hope, AK airport: "one for every man, woman and child in Hope, with a few left over to send to Emmet, down the road."

As if that weren't insult enough, "FEMA plans to lay down a 290-acre bed of gravel for them to rest on, at a cost of $6 million." This is to keep them from sitting in mud. FEMA says that only eight of Louisiana's 64 parishes (counties) have accepted trailers; FEMA also says that a regulation prohibiting trailers from floodplains has hindered getting the trailers to those who need them.

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Why don't you see beyond party affiliation here? Is this the republican party's new platform, incompetence? That is not the republican party I want to vote for.
 

TSR

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passin thru said:
Kola i just love the way you defend your guy by
ATTACKING SOMEONE ELSE.

keep up the good work

Now PT tell us just what part of the Republic of Vietnam did our president's tour of duty take him to????
 

Econ101

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Personally, John Kerry's service doesn't matter to me that much as his presidential run is history. The current Dem/Rep debate is more centered in the 60s than the present and so is this discussion. If John Kerry didn't deserve his medals, it was the military's fault for giving them to him. Did he have any pull as GW did for his military credentials?

It would be nice if we could discuss current issues instead of past ones. The republicans have shown they can be about as irresponsible as the democrats when given complete control. That is why we need a divided government--their own party is not able to critically evaluate their job whether dem. or republican. It does seem as if the republicans can get into bigger messes however.

Clinton is more of a fiscally conservative than GW and this bunch of spending repubs. has been and Clinton did not get us in an intractable ego war in the Balkans as Bush has done in Iraq.
 

TSR

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Econ101 said:
Personally, John Kerry's service doesn't matter to me that much as his presidential run is history. The current Dem/Rep debate is more centered in the 60s than the present and so is this discussion. If John Kerry didn't deserve his medals, it was the military's fault for giving them to him. Did he have any pull as GW did for his military credentials?

It would be nice if we could discuss current issuses instead of past ones. The republicans have shown they can be about as irresponsible as the democrats when given complete control. That is why we need a divided government--their own party is not able to critically evaluate their job whether dem. or republican. It does seem as if the republicans can get into bigger messes however.

Clinton is more of a fiscally conservative than GW and this bunch of spending repubs. has been and Clinton did not get us in an intractable ego war in the Balkans as Bush has done in Iraq.

I agree Econ.
 

kolanuraven

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PT....answer TSR's question!!!! Play fair!!!


Getting a little ' holier than thou" aren't we?? I'm new to this 'blame the other guy " game.....you & your crew have perfected it. I'm proud you think I'm up to that level.....but I'm just a novice @ this game.
 

Steve

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The trailers sitting on an old airfield in Arkansas is all on his administration's desk. Are they Clinton trailers?

as to facts.....

"They put out 72,000 travel trailers and are getting ready to put out 10,000 more."

as for those at Hope...

" There have been reports that these manufactured homes are damaged,"

"Trailer manufacturers contacted,....... declined to comment on the issue because of the pending litigation"

"“But after Louisiana officials balked at installing them inland, FEMA had no use for them. Nearly half, or about 10,000, of the $860 million worth of damaged units now sit at an airfield in Arkansas,"

but don't let facts get in the way of accusations.....


Should they put the damaged units in use or demand a refund from the manufactors?
 

Steve

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Why don't you see beyond party affiliation here?

oh,.... where to start...

George McGovern.......

Jimmy carter......


illigal immigration.....

gun control....

military ........

late term abortion....

affirmative action....

Socialism....

environmentalists.....

crime control......

drug use.....

universal health care system....

welfare......

Hillary Clinton......Barbara Boxer , Russ Feingold , Ted Kennedy , and House Minority leader Nancy Pelosi .

did I forget something?
 
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