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fff

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Kennedy Returns for Medicare Vote, McCain Doesn't
Ailing Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) made a dramatic return to the Senate today, interrupting his cancer treatments to travel to Washington and cast the decisive vote in favor of proceeding to final passage on a Medicare bill.

Kennedy's return was a closely-guarded secret up until the moment he walked up to the chamber's doors surrounded by security. His arrival and vote prompted his colleagues to give him a sustained standing ovation. With Kennedy's help, the Senate voted 69-30 in favor of ending debate on the bill to prevent cuts in physicians' pay under Medicare. A similar roll call before the July 4th recess fell one vote short of the 60 necessary to proceed. Today's vote was expected to go the same way, until Kennedy's vote ensured the outcome and several Republicans who had previously voted against cloture decided to switch.

"I return to the Senate today to keep a promise to our senior citizens - and that's to protect Medicare," Kennedy said in a statement. "Win, lose or draw, I wanted to be here. I wasn't going to take the chance that my vote could make the difference."

Only one Senator missed the vote today -- presidential candidate John McCain, who is busy on the campaign trail. McCain also missed votes earlier today on terrorism surveillance legislation. The Arizonan Republican's campaign did take the time this morning to lambaste Sen. Barack Obama for his alleged flip-flopping on the surveillance issue, though at least Obama showed up for the vote today.

Yesterday marked the two-month anniversary of the last time McCain cast a Senate vote, on April 8. The Medicare vote marked the 76th consecutive tally McCain has missed.

UPDATE 5:45 PM: A total of nine Republicans who voted "no" on the Medicare cloture question last month switched to vote "aye" today, likely because Kennedy's presence ensured that the motion would prevail. The switchers were Sens. Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), Saxby Chambliss (Ga.), Bob Corker (Tenn.), John Cornyn (Texas), Kay Bailey Hutchison (Texas), Johnny Isakson (Ga.), Mel Martinez (Fla.), Arlen Specter (Pa.) and John Warner (Va.).

Capitol Briefing alumnus Paul Kane points out that of the 18 total Republicans who voted in favor of cloture today, defying President Bush's veto threat, nine of them are up for reelection in November.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2008/07/kennedy_returns_for_medicare_v.html

Ted Kennedy gets out of his sick bed, goes to the Senate floor and votes FOR seniors, military members and their families. His vote was the one that got the bill to the floor for the vote and several Republican Senators (some up for re-election) switched their vote. That's leadership. That's putting it on the line for your beliefs and the American people. And where was John McCain? Politiking. He hasn't voted on a bill in three months! Makes me proud to be a Democrat. :D
 

fff

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
Would you still be proud to be a Democrat if we posted all the votes Hillary and Barry have missed the last few months?

Everyone misses votes. But this one is especially important to seniors and military members. The senior voting bloc is leaning his way and one that McCain needs badly to win. This won't help him. He could have taken this opportunity to stand up to George W. Bush and vote for seniors, but he didn't bother. Hillary and Obama both showed up and voted. IMO, it was a lost opportunity for McCain.
 

fff

Well-known member
Larrry said:
Is it leadership to leave a girl drowning trapped in a car while you do nothing?

No one claimed he was a leader back then. Besides, didn't you know he was framed?

The following letter is how the CIA framed Ted Kennedy at
Chappaquiddick for the death of Mary Joe to stop him from
ever running for present of the United States.

Ted Kennedy. In the CIA files in the Don Bolles papers was the
files on the framing of Ted Kennedy for the death of Marry Joe
Kopechne at Chappaquiddick by the CIA. In the CIA files that
George Bush had removed from the CIA was Ted Kennedy's file.

After the CIA had assassinated John F. Kennedy and framed
Oswald for the assassination and after the CIA had assassinated
Robert Kennedy and framed Sirhan Sirhan for the assassination
they needed a way of stopping the last Kennedy brother from ever
running for the presidency of the United States. They believed that
if they killed him it would look like the CIA had assassinated all the
brothers so the CIA decided to allow him to live and to discredit
him to stop him from being reelected by framing him at
Chappaquiddick for the death of Mary Joe Kopechne. By doing
this the CIA planned on stopping him from ever becoming president
of the United States of America. The following is how the CIA
framed Ted kennedy for the death of Mary Joe Kopechne at
Chappaquiddick.

I no longer remember all of the details because of the constant
electronic torture of me which is still being used against me to
limit my freedom of speech and damage my memory and ability
to write using electronic torture and sleep deprivation. The
following is what I still can remember while I'm being kept
disabled and in a electronically drugged state. Ted Kennedy and
the other couple were at the cabin and Ted Kennedy and Mary
Jo Kopechne were getting ready to leave. The CIA had drugged
one of the bottles that they were drinking from. I do not remember
all the details but I do remember that the bottle had a drug put into
it which would result in Ted Kennedy and Mary Joe Kopechne
becoming unconscious after drinking from drinks poured from the
bottle. I remember that just before they left they all drank a drink
that had been poured from the bottle. I believe it was a toast.

Ted Kennedy and the May Joe Kopechne left and started back
with Ted driving. On the road on the way back was barricades
and a detour sign that the CIA had put into place directing Ted
down the road they needed him on to conduct their planed murder
of Mary Joe. The CIA had positioned one car ahead of Ted's car
and another car was behind him. As soon as Ted entered the
detour the CIA moved the barricades to block off where he had
turned down so no else could come down the road until after they
had taken over Ted and his car. Ted was monitored the entire time
by the CIA. Mary Joe had passed out from the drug and Ted was
starting to pass out. The CIA car in front of Ted's car slowed down
so they could use their car to stop Ted's car from crashing as Ted
passed out. This worked fine and they were able to stop Ted's car.
After they got the car stopped they took Mary Joe and placed her
in the back seat and took Ted to the other car. Then two CIA
operatives replaced Ted and Mary Joe with the man in the driver
seat and a women operative replacing Mary Joe in the front seat.
Then all three cars proceeded to the bridge and as they drove they
called back by radio and the gave the orders in code to remove the
barricades.

The constable for that area was one of the CIA operatives in
charge of the operation. I still see him on TV saying how Ted
got away with murder. This constable was the person that set
up the car to go off the bridge which resulted in the death of Mary
Joe. He first prepared everything to make it look like Ted and her
were having an affair and that was why they turned down that road.
They were not having an affair. When they got to the bridge they
set up the car to send it off the bridge with Mary Joe still in the car.

The drug they had used was a special drug that would not show up
in the autopsy report because she would never be tested for that
drug. They had also planned on her stomach being full of water after
the crash. After rigging the gas pedal and steering and sending the
car off the bridge the car would not sink and floated nose down in
the water and was starting to float away. They got a rope on the car
and held it in place and one of them had to swim out to the car and
open the door to get it to sink It took the CIA 20 to 30 minutes to
make the car sink where they needed it to rest on the bottom.

They then prepared Ted Kennedy for the water. They put a injury
on him but I do not remember in detail what the injury was but it
was to make it look like that he was in the crash and was driving
the car that killed Mary Joe. They then took Ted Kennedy's body
out into the water on the side of the bridge and propped him up
with one of the CIA operatives holding him from behind. Another
CIA agent then injected him in the neck with the antidote to the drug
they had used on him. Ted Kennedy then slowly showed signs of
recovering. The antidote was mixed with another drug to make
Ted Kennedy confused and disorientated. They then got out of the
water and watched to make sure Ted didn't drown before he
recovered enough to get out of the water.

Ted Kennedy stumbled out of the water and tried to figure out
what had happened. He finally figured out that the car was under
water in the pond and he had no ideal of what happened. It took
him some time to recover enough to leave to search for help and
he was still badly disorientated from the drugs they used on him.
He was not drunk and had only had one or two drinks and Mary
Joe had only one drink and if I remember correctly she did not
drink all of it.

The CIA monitored and filmed all of this. As soon as Ted Kennedy
left to try to find help the CIA moved in and cleaned up all the
evidence to make sure it looked like an accident.

The next events are all history. They asked Ted Kennedy what
happened and he replied that he did not know and that Mary
Joe must of been driving the car. He didn't know because he
was not driving and was unconscious. The press and others then
attacked him and set it up to make it look like he was lying to get
out of the death of Mary Joe. At that time Ted Kennedy was
forced to take full responsibility with him not having any memory
of the accident. The papers and others then printed stories of how
she was pregnant which she wasn't and of how Ted was drunk
which he wasn't and of how the Kennedy's were buying their way
out of what had happened which they weren't.

The investigation into the crash was not real it was only the
framing of Ted Kennedy for the death of Mary Joe Kopechne.

The CIA assumed that by framing Ted Kennedy that they had
assured that Ted Kennedy would no longer be electable and that
they could force him out of the public eye and out of their hair. To
the amazement of the CIA it did not work and Ted was repeatedly
reelected to public office.

Ted Kennedy was now back fighting for Human Rights, Civil Rights
and the American people as his brothers had before him. The CIA
was now desperate to remove him from the public eye but it was not
acceptable to assassinate him because they believed that it may
interfere with the on going cover-up of the assassinations of his
brothers. If all three brothers died in public office no reasonable
person would believe that it was not the CIA that did it. They needed
another way of disabling him to remove him as a threat to their
empire. The director of the CIA George Bush in 1976 came up with
the way of doing this. The new remote controlled electronic torture
devices that the CIA had designed were now in service and when
used with a bugging device built into them they could be used to
remove targeted people under the protection of a warrant in an
investigation and under the color of law.

The Next operation we had was the framing of Ted Kennedy as
being a drug dealer to authorize the use of these new electronic
bugging and torture devices to disable him. We even had the file
on the briefing to the federal Judge for the warrant to be used
against him. The following was in the briefing to the judge. Your
honor what is so unbelievable that Ted Kennedy is involved in
the drug trade, after all his father was a boot legger.

The CIA had failed in removing Ted Kennedy as a Senator
from Massachusetts. Even after they discredited him before
the people by framing him at Chappaquiddick for the death
of Mary Joe Kopechne and even after they attacked him
repeatedly in the press and news, he was still repeatedly
reelected to the Senate by the people of Massachusetts.
The CIA did not like this at all and the CIA still felt that Ted
Kennedy was a great threat to their assassinations, drug
running and other illegal operations. They then started on a new
way of controlling Ted Kennedy. This new mode of control was
to be by the use of electronic stimulation of his mind and body
by the CIA to remove him as a threat to their covert operations
within the government. They first placed him under constant
surveillance and monitored his phones, mail and they even bugged
his cars and everything else they could monitor. All information
at this time was being illegally collected and that made it unusable
in the News Papers or in the courts. They decided that the best
way of authorizing the legal bugging of Ted Kennedy would be to
frame him as being a drug trafficker. To do this they first needed
evidence to present to one of the corrupt judges that they
controlled to obtain a warrant to monitor Ted Kennedy. They
collected his garbage and even followed him when he went on
week end outings in boats and other places.

They took sandwich bags from his garbage and from his boating
trips and checked these sandwich bags for his fingerprints. In
time they obtained some plastic sandwich bags with Ted
Kennedy's finger prints on the bags. They then proceeded to
clean the inside of these bags and then placed drugs into the
cleaned bags. These plastic bags now filled with drugs were then
given to a drug dealer that the DEA controlled and the bags were
then busted in a drug bust with Ted Kennedy's finger prints on
the bags.

The CIA had also designed a way of removing finger prints using
a special tape that they had developed and then reinstalling these
finger prints on other things as needed to target innocent targeted
people. I believe that this process was also used in the framing
of Ted Kennedy but I do not remember enough of this part of the
files to be 100% certain.

Now there was usable evidence for a real warrant and the DEA
could now takeover the operations from the CIA against Ted
Kennedy and do these covert operations under the cover of a
warrant in an investigation and under the protection of the law.
They then continued to frame Ted Kennedy as being involved in
the drug trade to further authorize the bugging and control of and
over him by the CIA using their covert operation the DEA to gather
the need evidence to frame Ted Kennedy as being involved in the
drug trade.

In the CIA and the DEA files we had where the orders from
George Bush for the bugging of Ted Kennedy using the new CIA
control, torture and monitoring devices. They had determined that it
was impossible to keep Ted Kennedy sick and disabled by just using
the devices in his clothing. He had to many clothes and was always
buying new clothes. The CIA and DEA researched if he wore any
jewelry that he never took off that they could install the devices in or

if there was any other way of controlling and bugging him without
injecting Ted Kennedy with implants.

When I was reading the files George Bush had stated in them that
he was paranoid that if they got caught using implants in Senators
and Congressmen that the American People would no longer trust
them and that the operation may backfire but to the best of my
memory he did approve the use of the implants against Ted
Kennedy which resulted in Ted Kennedy suffering horribly with
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. This illness was an auto immune
response from the bugging devices and was designed to so involve
the targeted person in their own suffering and misery that they
would no longer be of a threat to the CIA, DEA or others that
were protected and above all laws.

Ted Kennedy's Chronic fatigue Syndrome went away in 1991 or
1992 because of my work with the FBI against the DEA and CIA.
I am uncertain if Ted Kennedy was injected with electronic implants
or if they used electronic devices in his clothing and jewelry to keep
him sick, disabled and under their control all of those years as they
monitored, tortured and controlled him. My direct information on
Ted Kennedy ended in 1977.

Charles Schlund a political prisoner of the United States

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=10111
 

Mike

Well-known member
don said:
rumormill news might be the mirror image of fox news!

Some Democrat insiders recently stated that Fox was the most fair and balanced election news station.

I heard Lanny Davis say it just last Sunday. Imagine that! :lol:
 

fff

Well-known member
Mike said:
don said:
rumormill news might be the mirror image of fox news!

Some Democrat insiders recently stated that Fox was the most fair and balanced election news station.

I heard Lanny Davis say it just last Sunday. Imagine that! :lol:

Yeah, he works for FOX now, so "imagine that."

FOX isn't stupid. They've been hiring former Clinton staffers. They know which way the wind is blowing in this country and it seems to be Left. :D Which, IMO, means they're still not a reliable news source.
 

Mike

Well-known member
fff said:
Mike said:
don said:
rumormill news might be the mirror image of fox news!

Some Democrat insiders recently stated that Fox was the most fair and balanced election news station.

I heard Lanny Davis say it just last Sunday. Imagine that! :lol:

Yeah, he works for FOX now, so "imagine that."

FOX isn't stupid. They've been hiring former Clinton staffers. They know which way the wind is blowing in this country and it seems to be Left. :D Which, IMO, means they're still not a reliable news source.

Fox has had someone on the "Far Side" of each discussion for forever.

Hiring leftists ain't anything new. Jesse and Al are on almost daily. Bob Beckel, Alan Colmes, and several others....................... :roll:

Have you ever noticed how slanted MSNBC is to the left with almost never a rebuttal? It's sickening. :shock:
 

hopalong

Well-known member
fff said:
Larrry said:
Is it leadership to leave a girl drowning trapped in a car while you do nothing?

No one claimed he was a leader back then. Besides, didn't you know he was framed?

The following letter is how the CIA framed Ted Kennedy at
Chappaquiddick for the death of Mary Joe to stop him from
ever running for present of the United States.

Ted Kennedy. In the CIA files in the Don Bolles papers was the
files on the framing of Ted Kennedy for the death of Marry Joe
Kopechne at Chappaquiddick by the CIA. In the CIA files that
George Bush had removed from the CIA was Ted Kennedy's file.

After the CIA had assassinated John F. Kennedy and framed
Oswald for the assassination and after the CIA had assassinated
Robert Kennedy and framed Sirhan Sirhan for the assassination
they needed a way of stopping the last Kennedy brother from ever
running for the presidency of the United States. They believed that
if they killed him it would look like the CIA had assassinated all the
brothers so the CIA decided to allow him to live and to discredit
him to stop him from being reelected by framing him at
Chappaquiddick for the death of Mary Joe Kopechne. By doing
this the CIA planned on stopping him from ever becoming president
of the United States of America. The following is how the CIA
framed Ted kennedy for the death of Mary Joe Kopechne at
Chappaquiddick.

I no longer remember all of the details because of the constant
electronic torture of me which is still being used against me to
limit my freedom of speech and damage my memory and ability
to write using electronic torture and sleep deprivation. The
following is what I still can remember while I'm being kept
disabled and in a electronically drugged state. Ted Kennedy and
the other couple were at the cabin and Ted Kennedy and Mary
Jo Kopechne were getting ready to leave. The CIA had drugged
one of the bottles that they were drinking from. I do not remember
all the details but I do remember that the bottle had a drug put into
it which would result in Ted Kennedy and Mary Joe Kopechne
becoming unconscious after drinking from drinks poured from the
bottle. I remember that just before they left they all drank a drink
that had been poured from the bottle. I believe it was a toast.

Ted Kennedy and the May Joe Kopechne left and started back
with Ted driving. On the road on the way back was barricades
and a detour sign that the CIA had put into place directing Ted
down the road they needed him on to conduct their planed murder
of Mary Joe. The CIA had positioned one car ahead of Ted's car
and another car was behind him. As soon as Ted entered the
detour the CIA moved the barricades to block off where he had
turned down so no else could come down the road until after they
had taken over Ted and his car. Ted was monitored the entire time
by the CIA. Mary Joe had passed out from the drug and Ted was
starting to pass out. The CIA car in front of Ted's car slowed down
so they could use their car to stop Ted's car from crashing as Ted
passed out. This worked fine and they were able to stop Ted's car.
After they got the car stopped they took Mary Joe and placed her
in the back seat and took Ted to the other car. Then two CIA
operatives replaced Ted and Mary Joe with the man in the driver
seat and a women operative replacing Mary Joe in the front seat.
Then all three cars proceeded to the bridge and as they drove they
called back by radio and the gave the orders in code to remove the
barricades.

The constable for that area was one of the CIA operatives in
charge of the operation. I still see him on TV saying how Ted
got away with murder. This constable was the person that set
up the car to go off the bridge which resulted in the death of Mary
Joe. He first prepared everything to make it look like Ted and her
were having an affair and that was why they turned down that road.
They were not having an affair. When they got to the bridge they
set up the car to send it off the bridge with Mary Joe still in the car.

The drug they had used was a special drug that would not show up
in the autopsy report because she would never be tested for that
drug. They had also planned on her stomach being full of water after
the crash. After rigging the gas pedal and steering and sending the
car off the bridge the car would not sink and floated nose down in
the water and was starting to float away. They got a rope on the car
and held it in place and one of them had to swim out to the car and
open the door to get it to sink It took the CIA 20 to 30 minutes to
make the car sink where they needed it to rest on the bottom.

They then prepared Ted Kennedy for the water. They put a injury
on him but I do not remember in detail what the injury was but it
was to make it look like that he was in the crash and was driving
the car that killed Mary Joe. They then took Ted Kennedy's body
out into the water on the side of the bridge and propped him up
with one of the CIA operatives holding him from behind. Another
CIA agent then injected him in the neck with the antidote to the drug
they had used on him. Ted Kennedy then slowly showed signs of
recovering. The antidote was mixed with another drug to make
Ted Kennedy confused and disorientated. They then got out of the
water and watched to make sure Ted didn't drown before he
recovered enough to get out of the water.

Ted Kennedy stumbled out of the water and tried to figure out
what had happened. He finally figured out that the car was under
water in the pond and he had no ideal of what happened. It took
him some time to recover enough to leave to search for help and
he was still badly disorientated from the drugs they used on him.
He was not drunk and had only had one or two drinks and Mary
Joe had only one drink and if I remember correctly she did not
drink all of it.

The CIA monitored and filmed all of this. As soon as Ted Kennedy
left to try to find help the CIA moved in and cleaned up all the
evidence to make sure it looked like an accident.

The next events are all history. They asked Ted Kennedy what
happened and he replied that he did not know and that Mary
Joe must of been driving the car. He didn't know because he
was not driving and was unconscious. The press and others then
attacked him and set it up to make it look like he was lying to get
out of the death of Mary Joe. At that time Ted Kennedy was
forced to take full responsibility with him not having any memory
of the accident. The papers and others then printed stories of how
she was pregnant which she wasn't and of how Ted was drunk
which he wasn't and of how the Kennedy's were buying their way
out of what had happened which they weren't.

The investigation into the crash was not real it was only the
framing of Ted Kennedy for the death of Mary Joe Kopechne.

The CIA assumed that by framing Ted Kennedy that they had
assured that Ted Kennedy would no longer be electable and that
they could force him out of the public eye and out of their hair. To
the amazement of the CIA it did not work and Ted was repeatedly
reelected to public office.

Ted Kennedy was now back fighting for Human Rights, Civil Rights
and the American people as his brothers had before him. The CIA
was now desperate to remove him from the public eye but it was not
acceptable to assassinate him because they believed that it may
interfere with the on going cover-up of the assassinations of his
brothers. If all three brothers died in public office no reasonable
person would believe that it was not the CIA that did it. They needed
another way of disabling him to remove him as a threat to their
empire. The director of the CIA George Bush in 1976 came up with
the way of doing this. The new remote controlled electronic torture
devices that the CIA had designed were now in service and when
used with a bugging device built into them they could be used to
remove targeted people under the protection of a warrant in an
investigation and under the color of law.

The Next operation we had was the framing of Ted Kennedy as
being a drug dealer to authorize the use of these new electronic
bugging and torture devices to disable him. We even had the file
on the briefing to the federal Judge for the warrant to be used
against him. The following was in the briefing to the judge. Your
honor what is so unbelievable that Ted Kennedy is involved in
the drug trade, after all his father was a boot legger.

The CIA had failed in removing Ted Kennedy as a Senator
from Massachusetts. Even after they discredited him before
the people by framing him at Chappaquiddick for the death
of Mary Joe Kopechne and even after they attacked him
repeatedly in the press and news, he was still repeatedly
reelected to the Senate by the people of Massachusetts.
The CIA did not like this at all and the CIA still felt that Ted
Kennedy was a great threat to their assassinations, drug
running and other illegal operations. They then started on a new
way of controlling Ted Kennedy. This new mode of control was
to be by the use of electronic stimulation of his mind and body
by the CIA to remove him as a threat to their covert operations
within the government. They first placed him under constant
surveillance and monitored his phones, mail and they even bugged
his cars and everything else they could monitor. All information
at this time was being illegally collected and that made it unusable
in the News Papers or in the courts. They decided that the best
way of authorizing the legal bugging of Ted Kennedy would be to
frame him as being a drug trafficker. To do this they first needed
evidence to present to one of the corrupt judges that they
controlled to obtain a warrant to monitor Ted Kennedy. They
collected his garbage and even followed him when he went on
week end outings in boats and other places.

They took sandwich bags from his garbage and from his boating
trips and checked these sandwich bags for his fingerprints. In
time they obtained some plastic sandwich bags with Ted
Kennedy's finger prints on the bags. They then proceeded to
clean the inside of these bags and then placed drugs into the
cleaned bags. These plastic bags now filled with drugs were then
given to a drug dealer that the DEA controlled and the bags were
then busted in a drug bust with Ted Kennedy's finger prints on
the bags.

The CIA had also designed a way of removing finger prints using
a special tape that they had developed and then reinstalling these
finger prints on other things as needed to target innocent targeted
people. I believe that this process was also used in the framing
of Ted Kennedy but I do not remember enough of this part of the
files to be 100% certain.

Now there was usable evidence for a real warrant and the DEA
could now takeover the operations from the CIA against Ted
Kennedy and do these covert operations under the cover of a
warrant in an investigation and under the protection of the law.
They then continued to frame Ted Kennedy as being involved in
the drug trade to further authorize the bugging and control of and
over him by the CIA using their covert operation the DEA to gather
the need evidence to frame Ted Kennedy as being involved in the
drug trade.

In the CIA and the DEA files we had where the orders from
George Bush for the bugging of Ted Kennedy using the new CIA
control, torture and monitoring devices. They had determined that it
was impossible to keep Ted Kennedy sick and disabled by just using
the devices in his clothing. He had to many clothes and was always
buying new clothes. The CIA and DEA researched if he wore any
jewelry that he never took off that they could install the devices in or

if there was any other way of controlling and bugging him without
injecting Ted Kennedy with implants.

When I was reading the files George Bush had stated in them that
he was paranoid that if they got caught using implants in Senators
and Congressmen that the American People would no longer trust
them and that the operation may backfire but to the best of my
memory he did approve the use of the implants against Ted
Kennedy which resulted in Ted Kennedy suffering horribly with
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. This illness was an auto immune
response from the bugging devices and was designed to so involve
the targeted person in their own suffering and misery that they
would no longer be of a threat to the CIA, DEA or others that
were protected and above all laws.

Ted Kennedy's Chronic fatigue Syndrome went away in 1991 or
1992 because of my work with the FBI against the DEA and CIA.
I am uncertain if Ted Kennedy was injected with electronic implants
or if they used electronic devices in his clothing and jewelry to keep
him sick, disabled and under their control all of those years as they
monitored, tortured and controlled him. My direct information on
Ted Kennedy ended in 1977.

Charles Schlund a political prisoner of the United States

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=10111

Here come the black helicopters again this time for fff
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
Mike said:
fff said:
Mike said:
Some Democrat insiders recently stated that Fox was the most fair and balanced election news station.

I heard Lanny Davis say it just last Sunday. Imagine that! :lol:

Yeah, he works for FOX now, so "imagine that."

FOX isn't stupid. They've been hiring former Clinton staffers. They know which way the wind is blowing in this country and it seems to be Left. :D Which, IMO, means they're still not a reliable news source.

Fox has had someone on the "Far Side" of each discussion for forever.

Hiring leftists ain't anything new. Jesse and Al are on almost daily. Bob Beckel, Alan Colmes, and several others....................... :roll:

Have you ever noticed how slanted MSNBC is to the left with almost never a rebuttal? It's sickening. :shock:

fff just does not get it! She can see all the fact there is on an issue and stays with her way of thinking.

Fox news probably has more viewers than all them cable news channels combined. There is a reason for that, Fox is the only one that almost every time there is an political topic to discuss puts up both Conservatives and Liberals to give their opinion.

Granted they lean to the right but it is like a few points maybe 53% to 47%. There was a study by some college that showed they were the most fair and balanced even if they leaned a little to the right.

But what is better and more fair? 57% Conservative 43% Liberal or 70% liberal and 30% conservative like stations like MSNBC are if even that!

fff will never look at the facts, because to her if it is not 100% liberal and conservatives go screw themselves then she is not happy! She is the most left leaning person I have ever seen online!
 

CattleArmy

Well-known member
Why is it ok for McCain to ignore his responsibilites as a senator which office at one time he wanted since there is something more important (like running for president) going on? Why is ok to slack at one to obtain better?
 

fff

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aplusmnt said:
Fox news probably has more viewers than all them cable news channels combined. There is a reason for that, Fox is the only one that almost every time there is an political topic to discuss puts up both Conservatives and Liberals to give their opinion.

Granted they lean to the right but it is like a few points maybe 53% to 47%. There was a study by some college that showed they were the most fair and balanced even if they leaned a little to the right.

But what is better and more fair? 57% Conservative 43% Liberal or 70% liberal and 30% conservative like stations like MSNBC are if even that!

fff will never look at the facts, because to her if it is not 100% liberal and conservatives go screw themselves then she is not happy! She is the most left leaning person I have ever seen online!

FOX has had a good run, but times are getting a bit tough for them. They're hiring people from the Clinton campaign, trying to get back on good terms with Dems. :D

Fox News is in for a very rough 2008
by Eric Boehlert
Tue, Jan 29, 2008

My guess is that Fox News guru Roger Ailes has been reaching for the Tums more often than usual early in the New Year, and there are lots of reasons for the hovering angst.

Let's take an extended multiple choice quiz. Right now, which of the following topics is likely causing the discomfort inside Ailes' Fox News empire?

A) CNN's resurgence as the go-to cable destination for election coverage.
B) The incredible shrinking candidacy of Fox News' favored son, Rudy Giuliani.
C) The still-standing candidacy of Fox News nemesis and well-funded, anti-war GOP candidate Rep. Ron Paul.
D) The Democratic candidates' blanket refusal to debate on Fox News during the primary season.
E) Host Bill O'Reilly being so desperate for an interview from a Democratic contender that he had to schlep all the way to New Hampshire, where he shoved an aide to Sen. Barack Obama and then had to be calmed down by Secret Service agents.
F) Former Fox News architect and Ailes confidante Dan Cooper posting chapters from his a wildly unflattering tell-all book about his old boss. ("The best thing that ever happened to Roger Ailes was 9/11.")
G) The fledgling Fox Business Network, whose anemic ratings are in danger of being surpassed by some large city public access channels.
H) Host John Gibson's recent heartless attacks on actor Heath Ledger, just hours after the young actor was found dead.
I) Fox News reporter Major Garrett botching his "exclusive" that Paul Begala and James Carville were going to join Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential campaign, and then refusing to correct the record.

I'd say it's A, B, C, D, E, F, and G. (I doubt Gibson's grave-dancing or Garrett's whopper caused Ailes a moment's concern.)

Bottom line is that Fox News is in for a very rough 2008. And the umbrella reason for that is quite simple: Eight years ago the all-news cable channel went all-in on the presidency of George Bush and became a broadcast partner with the White House. Proof of that was on display Sunday night, January 27, during Fox News' prime-time, "Fighting to the Finish," an "historic documentary" on the final year of Bush's presidency. Filmed in HD and featuring "unprecedented access," according to the Fox News press release, the show was pure propaganda. (I must have missed Fox News' "Fighting to the Finish" special back in 2000, chronicling the conclusion of President Bill Clinton's second term and his "extraordinarily consequential tenure.")

The point is that Fox News years ago made an obvious decision to appeal almost exclusively to Republican viewers. The good news then for Fox News was that it succeeded. The bad news now for Fox News is that it succeeded.

Meaning, when the GOP catches a cold, everybody at Fox News gets sick. As blogger Logan Murphy put it at Crooks and Liars, "Watching FOXNews getting their comeuppance has been fun to watch. They made their bed, now they're having to lie in it and it's not too comfortable."

The most obvious signs of Fox News' downturn have been the cable ratings for the big primary and caucus votes this year, as well as the high-profile debates. With this election season generating unprecedented voter and viewer interest, Fox News' rating bumps to date have remained underwhelming, to say the least.

For instance, on the night of the big New Hampshire primary, CNN, which habitually trails behind Fox News in the prime-time race, attracted nearly 250,000 more viewers than its top competitor, marking a changing-of-the-guard of sorts.

The turnaround was striking when you consider that in 2004, even with no Republicans running against Bush, Fox News was still able to draw 200,000 more viewers than CNN on the night of the New Hampshire Democratic primary. Yet in 2008, with a very competitive GOP field, CNN was the ratings winner from New Hampshire.

And just look at the ratings for January 19, which featured returns from the Nevada caucus coming in during the late afternoon, and then fresh returns from the South Carolina Republican primary being posted during prime time that night. In the past, Fox News would have absolutely owned that night of coverage, as conservative news junkies flocked to their home team -- Fox News -- to see the results. But no more. CNN grabbed nearly just as many prime-time viewers for the Republican South Carolina returns as did Fox News.

The problem for Fox News is that it's the Democratic race that's creating most of the excitement, yet Fox News has been forced to mostly watch the race from the sidelines. That's because last winter, after Fox News tried to smear Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) for purportedly attending a radical Muslim school as a child, liberal bloggers launched an initiative to get Democratic candidates to boycott a debate co-sponsored by Fox News and the Nevada Democratic Party. (The boycott, powered by Foxattacks.com, was later extended to any and all Fox News debates.)

The point of the online crusade was not to simply embarrass Fox News or rattle Nevada Democrats for being out of touch with the grassroots masses that distrusted and despised Fox News. The point, instead, was to begin chipping away, in a serious, consistent method, at Fox News' reputation. To spell out that Fox News was nothing more than a Republican mouthpiece and that Democrats need not engage with the News Corp. giant.

The lack of Democratic debates for Fox News has meant a huge setback for the news organization from a ratings perspective. Just look at the grand slam CNN hit last week when, on January 21, it broadcast the much-talked-about Democratic debate from South Carolina. The CNN event not only creamed Fox News in the ratings, nearly tripling its audience that night, but the debate set a new cable news mark for the most viewers ever to watch a primary debate.

In fact, of the 10 most-watched debates this election season, Fox has aired just two, compared to CNN's five. Of the 10 most-watched debates, six have featured Democrats; four Republicans.

CNN is virtually guaranteed another monster ratings win this week with a pair of high-profile debates staged in California -- the Republicans on Wednesday night and Democrats on Thursday.

No wonder CNN's so giddy these days. Here's the spin CNN president Jonathan Klein put out following its New Hampshire ratings win: "There's a freshness and exuberance to our coverage that the others just aren't matching. ... Fox almost seems downright despondent in their coverage."

So I'm not the only one who feels like Fox News coverage, especially of the Republican field, often feels like a televised wake. Or maybe that's just been Fox News' collective, subconscious mourning of the Giuliani campaign.

After all, Sean Hannity serves as Fox News' official ambassador to the Giuliani campaign; a campaign that Ailes and Fox News were hoping to ride back into the White House. Yet despite showering Giuliani with all kinds of laudatory coverage, both Hannity and Ailes have been powerless, as they've watched Giuliani's rudderless campaign go nowhere for months.

Even an all-out Fox News marketing blitz to label Giuliani "America's Mayor" never got traction. In fact, it ranked right up there with the launch of New Coke, in terms of branding success. (Watch this clip to see the Fox News absurdity up-close.)

In the meantime, the rise of Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) and especially Mike Huckabee, with his populist streak, has caused all sorts of consternation at Fox News. Even the conservative Weekly Standard took notice. The magazine recently wrote that "A lot of conservatives have problems with both Huckabee and McCain. Last night on Fox, for example, Sean Hannity could barely conceal his distaste for both pols."

And don't even mention Ron Paul's name to the folks at Fox News, who have stepped outside their role as journalists to try to kneecap the anti-war GOP candidate. The most blatant slap came right before the New Hampshire primary, when Fox News refused to include Paul in a televised GOP debate, despite the fact that just days earlier Paul grabbed 10 percent of the vote in the Iowa caucus, nearly doubling the tally Giuliani posted.

Paul's Republican supporters became so incensed by the snub that they literally chased Sean Hannity through the New Hampshire night chanting "Fox News sucks!" and captured the scene in a homemade clip that really has to be seen to be believed. (To recap New Hampshire for Fox News: Hannity was pursued by a Republican mob, O'Reilly got into a shoving match with an Obama aide, and CNN grabbed more viewers. Now that's a week to remember!)

Oh, and we can't forget the wildly hyped launch of the Fox Business Network, which, News Corp. execs bragged, would dethrone longtime cable business news champ CNBC. Of course, that might happen one day. But the early ratings for Fox Business Network have been unbelievably weak.

After two months on the air, Fox Business Network, available in 30 million homes, was attracting, on average, just 6,300 viewers on any given weekday, according to Nielsen Media Research. That was good for a nearly invisible .05 rating. (By comparison, CNBC during that period was attracting 265,000 viewers.)

Making matters worse for Ailes was the fact that on January 22, as fears mounted about a possible global financial crisis, CNBC posted its best ratings in seven years, attracting 401,000 viewers that day.

The hurdle for Fox Business Network has always been simple: Why would investors and day traders in search of reliable business information turn from CNBC over to the Fox brand, which is so well-known for passing along one-sided information? News Corp. always assumed Fox News would help launch the business channel. But Fox News is taken seriously by so few people, it may be hurting the business launch.

After all, Fox News continues to embarrass itself with a type of journalism that nobody else in the industry would dare call professional. And for proof of that look no further than Major Garrett, who is supposed to be one of the channel's nonpartisan, serious journalists. He landed a recent scoop about how former advisers to Bill Clinton, Paul Begala and James Carville, were getting set to join Hillary Clinton's campaign.

Carville immediately shot the story down, telling Talking Points Memo's Greg Sargent that very same day, "Fox was, is and will continue to be an asinine and ignorant network. I have not spoken to anyone in the Clinton campaign about this. I'm not getting back into domestic political consulting."

Begala did Carville one better and directly emailed Garrett to deny the story -- a story Garrett never bothered trying to check with Begala or Carville before it was broadcast. Garrett's response to Begala's blanket denial? Garrett told the Democratic operative that he would take his denial "under advisement." [Emphasis added.]

Garrett then went back on the air and repeated the same story, and added the fact that Begala had been on a conference call the day before with Clinton advisers, which was also false. And no, despite his earlier email exchange with Begala, Garrett never bothered to try to confirm the conference call story with him before reporting it on Fox News.

On his Fox News blog, Garrett did acknowledge the Begala email and claimed he'd be updating the fast-moving story soon -- which, he told readers, would likely be confirmed the next day when the Clinton campaign made the Begala/Carville announcement. But the next day when the story imploded, Garrett simply ignored the embarrassing gaffe.

Recounting the whole Kafka-esque charade at the Huffington Post, Begala wrote, "I've never had a more surrealistic day. If this is what one of Fox's best and most respected reporters is doing, what are the hacks up to?"

They're watching CNN capture the campaign ratings crown.

UPDATE: Fresh Nielsen numbers show Fox News' ratings woes continued over the weekend. During Saturday night's 8-10 p.m. ET coverage of the Democrats' South Carolina primary results, Fox News not only got trounced by CNN among viewers 25-54, but lost to MSNBC as well.

http://mediamatters.org/columns/200801290001
 

fff

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Larrry said:
mediamatters.org

That figures, you wouldn't have the link to the space aliens,loch ness, bigfoot would you?

The site doesn't matter. FOX News ratings, especially among young people, are down this year.

Like this one better?

Monday, June 30, 2008 09:57 EDT
An "ominous trend" for Fox News' ratings

In the first quarter of 2008, Fox News, after six years of cable-news ratings dominance, saw itself slip into second place behind CNN in the so-called money demo -- viewers in their mid-20s through mid-50s, whom advertisers care about most. The shift came thanks to a series of competitive primary nights and debates among Democratic candidates, after the Republican nomination had already been settled.

As it turns out, in the second quarter, as the Democratic race quieted down and the general election campaigning began, Fox News reclaimed the lead, but just barely. The New York Times reports that the "back-and-forth these last few months masks a more ominous trend for Fox News."


The most dominant cable news channel for nearly a decade and a political force in its own right, Fox has seen its once formidable advantage over CNN erode in this presidential election year, as both CNN and MSNBC have added viewers at far more dramatic rates.

In the first five-and-a-half months of 2004, the last presidential election year, Fox's prime-time audience among viewers aged 25 to 54 was more than double that of CNN's — 530,000 to 248,000, according to estimates from Nielsen Media Research. This year, through mid-June, CNN erased the gap and drew nearly as many viewers in that demographic category as Fox — about 420,000 for CNN to 440,000 for Fox.

Meanwhile, CNN has added 170,000 viewers a night, on average, when compared with the last presidential year, while Fox has shed about 90,000, according to Nielsen. (MSNBC, which added 181,000 viewers in that audience, much of it courtesy of gains by "Countdown With Keith Olbermann," still lagged in third place, with 303,000.)


Clearly, the Democratic race, and the fact that the Democratic candidates wouldn't debate on Fox News, had something to do with the shift. But as the Times noted, "Disproportionate interest in the Democratic campaign alone cannot explain the struggles of Fox relative to years past, and the gains of its competitors." The paper suggested Fox News' competitors have caught up thanks to an "emphasis on sharp opinions, glitzy graphics and big personalities."

Maybe. I'd offer an alternative explanation: As the conservative movement falls apart, and the country is ready to move away from the Bush/Republican status quo, Fox News' shtick has grown pretty tiresome. Time's James Poniewozik argued recently that the network "has to figure out how not to seem like yesterday's news."

In Bush's America, with Republicans in ascension, Fox News became the official network of the federal government. Officials were anxious to dish propaganda, and the network was anxious to help disseminate it. The audience for GOP talking points has, however, grown smaller as the party's failures became more overwhelming. Given this, it's no wonder CNN has practically caught up to FNC in the "money demo," and MSNBC isn't too far behind.

I'd add, though, that the nation's good fortune may actually be Fox News' life preserver. If, come January, there's a Democratic president and a Democratic Congress for the first time in 16 years, there are going to be plenty of suddenly motivated conservatives looking for a news outlet to tell them how awful the governing party is. Fox News and its audience want someone to be mad at, and come 2009, they'll probably have no shortage of options.

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/06/30/fox/
 

aplusmnt

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fff said:
The site doesn't matter. FOX News ratings, especially among young people, are down this year.

You always look at things on the surface don't you? Drinking the Demonade and never looking at the whole picture.

Let me break it down for you. First off you are pointing out a specific demographic only those between the age of 25 and 54 not over all numbers.

The overall numbers are like this!

Overall, Fox News continues to pull in the largest cable news audience, drawing an average of 1.6 million prime-time viewers so far this quarter. CNN is in second with 977,000, while MSNBC pulled in 690,000

Do the math Fox news had close to DOUBLE the total viewers as CNN!

And to break it down farther, CNN has been losing to Fox news for years and years. The only reason they came up to number one in that ONE SPECIFIC AGE GROUP for that ONE quarter was because of the heated Democratic Primary and that CNN panders to the Democrats and also their Democratic debates.

But overall numbers, Fox kills CNN and every other news channel, almost doubling their viewers.

Last year Fox news was the number 6 overall rated Cable channel and CNN was number 26. CNN has been sucking Fox dust for 6 years and nothing has changed. One quarter of one specific age group does not make CNN a winner. I know this is hard for a Democrat to understand but all the votes should count!

But don't fret now that the Democrat Primary and debates are order, fox is even back on top in that ONE specific age group that you hold so dear!

You really should give up this political debating, it may be time for you to throw in the towel or at least suspend it like Hillary did! :wink:

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