Mike
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In my opinion, a public vote on something like that is not democracy, it's mob rule.Amo said:
Letter to Cherry County Commissioners regarding Wind Energy
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Mike, you are all too right about that!
Too often, 'the public' has no knowledge whatsoever of what it takes to produce their food, and see private ownership of tracts of land large enough for a family to make a living raising food animals as just soooo much wealth in the hands of few people. So they seem to want to 'cut them down to size', and see their vote as an opportunity to do so. Or worse, have been convinced of that scenario by those WITH the vested interest in the project.
So far as energy is concerned, I feel we need to get honest (and do wonder if that is even possible!) assessment of what is economically feasible, and what truly will damage our world with pollution, and of what form that would be.
Just saw some numbers of tonnage of REAL pollution from that volcano, PER HOUR, in HI a while back, and now one is going off on the west side of Mexico, polluting some more. There is NO way the energy use for growing food, or living in reasonable comfort can compete with those things for pollution! But, since there is no way to make 'Mother Earth' pay the taxes to clean it up.....there must be no pollution, seems to be the wisdom of our politicians, worldwide.
mrj
Too often, 'the public' has no knowledge whatsoever of what it takes to produce their food, and see private ownership of tracts of land large enough for a family to make a living raising food animals as just soooo much wealth in the hands of few people. So they seem to want to 'cut them down to size', and see their vote as an opportunity to do so. Or worse, have been convinced of that scenario by those WITH the vested interest in the project.
So far as energy is concerned, I feel we need to get honest (and do wonder if that is even possible!) assessment of what is economically feasible, and what truly will damage our world with pollution, and of what form that would be.
Just saw some numbers of tonnage of REAL pollution from that volcano, PER HOUR, in HI a while back, and now one is going off on the west side of Mexico, polluting some more. There is NO way the energy use for growing food, or living in reasonable comfort can compete with those things for pollution! But, since there is no way to make 'Mother Earth' pay the taxes to clean it up.....there must be no pollution, seems to be the wisdom of our politicians, worldwide.
mrj
Amo
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Mike said:
I won't argue with ya there
oldblood
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Wind power will tear apart your town & your county like nothing you have ever seen. We are in the middle of a fight right now. There is one wind farm up. The best thing that can happen is the get some county zoning inplace before you get to far into it. Set back from homes & property lines. It has been nothing short of a $4!+ show here on both sides.
I think they are neat but coming from a place where the wind don't blow we don't have any I can see that they would become an eyesore but I'm sure at one time someone baulked the railroad coming thru also.
Soapweed
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Denny said:
With the record of wind turbines being economically inefficient and a complete government-sponsored boondoggle, they remind me of a herd of dancing white elephants.
Brad S
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"Govt sponsored boondoggle"
I don't equate neighbor intervention into govt subsidized boondoggles with telling someone they can't have chickens. Furthermore, understand the production of the turbines is set for non residents.
I don't equate neighbor intervention into govt subsidized boondoggles with telling someone they can't have chickens. Furthermore, understand the production of the turbines is set for non residents.
Soapweed said:Big Muddy rancher said:
Good point, BMR. It would take wind to fan a flame, and I am anti-wind so that is a false accusation.
I have to get into this with a 'wise-aker (term used by my grandma Lucille to describe a mouthy kid!) comment. I'm "anti-wind" too, but I sure do like a light breeze when the summer sun is beating down on us.
Seriously, I do like the idea of wind power, but absolutely HATE the graft and 'guaranteed' profits some of the investors with good government connections seem to be getting. I am definitely against using government funding to experiment with the concept. Better the Warren Buffett types to fund such experimental things. They either could do it because it is the right thing to do with excess profits from other businesses, or as an investment and sell or benefit financially after costs have been met and the concepts proven to work and make a profit.
What I think may be best done first is to utilize simple passive solar heating in the proper climates for it. I have done that on a very small scale with south facing large windows on my house. They are shaded by the roof in summer, so no heat when we don't need it, but lots of it in fall, winter, and spring, and it sure feels good, and while we don't know that it cuts our heating costs, the furnace doesn't run as much on sunny days as on cloudy ones! Some sort of tax relief to encourage more of that type 'solar heat' might help cut use of those 'nasty' fossil fuels.
And yes, Soapweed, you did write a good comment on what is happening in your area, and aside from people who just plain disagree with you getting a little unreasonable, no one can make reasonable arguments against your comments, imo.
mrj
littlejoe
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http://www.cfact.org/2015/08/19/americas-big-green-wrecking-machines/
Soapweed
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Wind Farm promises water tanks if necessary.
http://blackburnnews.com/chatham/chatham-news/2016/10/19/wind-farm-promises-water-tanks-necessary/
http://blackburnnews.com/chatham/chatham-news/2016/10/19/wind-farm-promises-water-tanks-necessary/
