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Surely they're not here? Liberal elitists? At Ranchers.net? Whoodathunkit?

At times, I think that I should stop reading posts from the ever-increasing number of liberal elite on here. And I'm not speaking of the common liberals that I don't agree with, like dis. But those that are so elite. Wonder if there's a board for ranchers where I wouldn't encounter that? It just makes me feel so inferior at times. Am I the one who is really out of place here now?

I stay at home working instead of traveling around the world seeking out our enemies, so as to better understand them. I try to enlighten myself by reading all that I have time for on the internet, as well as hard copy material delivered via USPS. Delivered way out at the road, by the way. Not to my door like the liberal elitists probably get. Have to admit that most of my traveling is out to the mailbox, not around the world.

Even though I read what I can, I still don't really understand those enemies. And don't really feel that it's necessary to understand any more. I do understand that our enemies hate me and want to kill me. What else do I need to understand? For nothing that I have done to them, they wish death upon me. What else do I need to understand? They rejoice when they murder innocent American women and babies! Maybe you liberal elitists can tell me? What else do I need to understand?

I work 7 days a week. Not so hard right this minute, but I still have to get it all done before the sun goes down. Every one of those 7 days, I maintain a focus on feeding other people a safe and superior product, while at the same time doing it efficiently and humanely....sometimes quite a challenge. A challenge that the liberal elitists neither recognize, nor care about.

Hopefully, I generate income by doing this work 7 days a week. Hence, I always have to worry about coughing up tax money this time of year. I don't like having to do that, but I try not to complain much. Because I want much of that tax money to be used to bankroll a strong military. Unlike the liberal elitists, I expect that strong military to take an ass-kicking to my enemies, wherever they might be. I really prefer that to me fighting them with my 'primitive' weapons on my own place. But yet I'm prepared day and night to do that, as well. I'm prepared to fight for what is mine. I'm prepared to fight for principles that are important to me. And will remain prepared to fight even though many of the liberal elitists wish to take away my rights to do so.

I believe in God, family, freedom and the United States of America. I have come to accept the fact that I'm inferior to the liberal elitists. But if my only choice is to be inferior to them or to be one of them, there's no doubt that I've made the correct choice. :lol:



***This post was inspired by several of you who share my feelings. You know who you are. :wink:
 

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:clap: :clap: Gotta disagree with you big time on the part about being inferior to the liberal elitists, though!!

Why do you suppose stevec spends time on here if he's trying so damn hard to "stop the next Holocaust" (gag) by turning the country into a bunch of neutered socialist pacifists? Since al-Qaeda is on the same keel as the US military, in his disturbed mind, why isn't he over there explaining his bullshit to them? Could he actually be afraid of being beheaded?
 

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stevec said:
Cal said:
:clap: :clap: Gotta disagree with you big time on the part about being inferior to the liberal elitists, though!!

Why do you suppose stevec spends time on here if he's trying so damn hard to "stop the next Holocaust" (gag) by turning the country into a bunch of neutered socialist pacifists? Since al-Qaeda is on the same keel as the US military, in his disturbed mind, why isn't he over there explaining his BS to them? Could he actually be afraid of being beheaded?

Actually, I have talked to Muslims, too.

It is harder to find a common language with them, but their thought process is surprisingly similar to yours and the "liberal elitists." (politicized and jingoistic) I drive liberals nuts, too, by the way, so I am not a liberal elitist, at least according to them.

Nobody likes to have their double-standards pointed out to them, which is all I really do.

I wanted to be a beautiful butterfly, but instead I ended up being a fly ...a fly in the ointment. :) I wasn't the first one, though, and I doubt I will be the last.

To fly from death however, O Athenians, is not difficult, but it is much more difficult to fly from depravity; for it runs swifter than death. And now I indeed, as being slow and old, am caught by the slower; but my accusers, as being skilful and swift, are caught by the swifter of these two, improbity. Now too, I indeed depart, condemned by you to death; but they being condemned by truth, depart to depravity and injustice. -Socrates

Have you ever read The Apology?
http://www.prometheustrust.co.uk/TTS_Catalogue/Socrates_Apology/socrates_apology.html

With free speech, everyone is free to make an accusation. Even without it, people make accusations. But an accusation does not make the accuser correct, sometimes it just reveals their errors....What makes us unique is not our virtue, but how we make our mistakes.

It takes the same error in thinking to create a holocaust as it does to crucify Jesus and other innocent men; and it is only a small error, even though the results are huge. Do you think another holocaust is unlikely? Isn't that why you fear the Muslims so much?
Say, isn't it about time for you to grace some other forumn with your nonsense? Why don't you try hopping over to Hannity.com and see what they think of your bullshit. Now that's a busy message board, and there's not even a busload of us over here and we've had just about enough of you to last for a good long while. http://www.hannity.com/forum/
 

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X said:
Surely they're not here? Liberal elitists? At Ranchers.net? Whoodathunkit?

At times, I think that I should stop reading posts from the ever-increasing number of liberal elite on here. And I'm not speaking of the common liberals that I don't agree with, like dis. But those that are so elite. Wonder if there's a board for ranchers where I wouldn't encounter that? It just makes me feel so inferior at times. Am I the one who is really out of place here now?

I stay at home working instead of traveling around the world seeking out our enemies, so as to better understand them. I try to enlighten myself by reading all that I have time for on the internet, as well as hard copy material delivered via USPS. Delivered way out at the road, by the way. Not to my door like the liberal elitists probably get. Have to admit that most of my traveling is out to the mailbox, not around the world.

Even though I read what I can, I still don't really understand those enemies. And don't really feel that it's necessary to understand any more. I do understand that our enemies hate me and want to kill me. What else do I need to understand? For nothing that I have done to them, they wish death upon me. What else do I need to understand? They rejoice when they murder innocent American women and babies! Maybe you liberal elitists can tell me? What else do I need to understand?

I work 7 days a week. Not so hard right this minute, but I still have to get it all done before the sun goes down. Every one of those 7 days, I maintain a focus on feeding other people a safe and superior product, while at the same time doing it efficiently and humanely....sometimes quite a challenge. A challenge that the liberal elitists neither recognize, nor care about.

Hopefully, I generate income by doing this work 7 days a week. Hence, I always have to worry about coughing up tax money this time of year. I don't like having to do that, but I try not to complain much. Because I want much of that tax money to be used to bankroll a strong military. Unlike the liberal elitists, I expect that strong military to take an ass-kicking to my enemies, wherever they might be. I really prefer that to me fighting them with my 'primitive' weapons on my own place. But yet I'm prepared day and night to do that, as well. I'm prepared to fight for what is mine. I'm prepared to fight for principles that are important to me. And will remain prepared to fight even though many of the liberal elitists wish to take away my rights to do so.

I believe in God, family, freedom and the United States of America. I have come to accept the fact that I'm inferior to the liberal elitists. But if my only choice is to be inferior to them or to be one of them, there's no doubt that I've made the correct choice. :lol:



***This post was inspired by several of you who share my feelings. You know who you are. :wink:

I like the way you think, X, except you sure don't have to feel inferior to the self-proclaimed Liberal elitists. They pull their pants on, one leg at a time, just like anyone else. The only thing is, they need daily bureaucratic intructions and a multitude of rules and regulations on how to do it.

Keep in mind Hank Williams, Jr.s' song, "Country Folk Can Survive." Country folk have the common sense which allows them to figure out the solutions to Life's problems.
 

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I think you don't know what an actual liberal is if you think anyone on this board is particularly exemplary of one.

I'm gonna bet that the "liberals" you're thinking of would probably end up fairly moderate on a political scale. :)

And frankly, someone who creates a whole thread for the purpose of trying to denigrate others would strike me as an elitist....
Just something you might want to consider.

A nifty little quiz to discover what your actual label is:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/
 

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theHiredMansWife said:
A nifty little quiz to discover what your actual label is:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/

I took the silly test, but it really doesn't mean anything because of the way the questions are worded. For example, in the sex part, one question reads: "Sex outside marriage is usually immoral." The person taking the test is supposed to give one of four answers, strongly agree, agree, disagree, or strongly disagree. If the question read "always immoral", the question could be honestly answered. No matter how the responder feels, their answer means nothing, because the people who devised the test can construe the answer however they see fit.

Another similarly worded question is: "It's fine for society to be open about sex, but these days its going too far." No matter how the responder answers the question, they are condoning a society "open about sex".

You can tell that the test was designed by Liberals, using their practiced and polished method of double-talk. It's plumb B.S.
 

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You can tell that the test was designed by Liberals

You have got to be kidding... :roll:

I first saw this link posted on a fairly conservative forum where everyone seemed to think the results were pretty accurate.
I take it you didn't like your results? :lol:

Maybe try this one:
http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html
 

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My results were: Economics 3.5, Social 4.72. Like I said, it was not possible to answer some of the questions because of the way they were worded.

Have a lovely liberal day. :wink:
 

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I agree with Soapweed. Liberals set things up so they always get the answer they want; or want to argue about.

I saw the fellow on Hannity and Colmes the other night that thought the cartoon of the soldier in bed with no arms and legs was okay. In the course of the heated discussion where Sean Hannity remarked it was because of the soldiers that cartoonist had the right to make these types of cartoons, that this guy said "it isn't the soldiers that gave him the right, it was the Constitution."

I could not believe it. So that is what these liberals think. I wondered all along, and now I know.

Who do they think defends our Constitution? Without soldiers fighting and those who have fought for our way of life, the United States of America AND our Constitution would no longer exist.

Now I have heard everything.
 

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Frankly, I think the stereotyping of people ("liberals are: elitist, druggies, gov't dependant,"/ "conservatives are: warmongers, dumb, fascists,") is what leads to the divisiveness of our country and I find it disappointing how many people aren't above it... :(


Can't we just take people at what they say/do anymore and assume it only reflects on them? Do we really have to shove folks into these tidy little boxes and tell them what they think based on their box's label?
 

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theHiredMansWife said:
Actually I'm a moderate with libertarian leanings. :)

Honestly...the way labels are mis-used around here, some of you guys need a poly-sci class. :wink:

I tend to see things more black and white, and consider you a liberal with moderate leanings. :wink: I am a conservative with red-neck leanings. :)
 

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Soapweed said:
theHiredMansWife said:
consider you a liberal with moderate leanings.

You've lived a very sheltered life if I'm a liberal. :lol:

On that, we agree. :wink:
I disagree with both of you then. You are a liberal because of the stance you take. If 99 take your views and 1 takes mine, you are still a liberal. Being right of center doesn't make you a conservative. Being conservative with your money, morality, etc makes you a conservative. That is the trouble with politics now days, you can't get a conservative choice. You get the fiscally liberal GW Bush or the flaming liberal Al Gore. Give me a true conservative please...
 

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You're comparing today's "neo-conservatives" to traditional conservatives. (which is why there's a power struggle within the GOP, afterall)

For example, traditional conservatives tend to want gov't out of basically any aspect of their lives. Business, private, etc.
Ie, a traditional conservative would never go for that whole "protection of marriage" stuff because it would mean gov't intervention in private lives. A traditional conservative doesn't support the war in Iraq because #1 it's blowing money left and right (not a conservative value) and #2 conservatives are traditionally isolationists. "Nation building" is a liberal concept, afterall. And so on.

I think it's basically the difference between tradional conservative values for oneself vs. the more authoritarian version that says "I know what's right and by golly I'm going to make you do it my way too". And of course most people who consider themselves conservative fall somewhere in between the two, differing issues making them lean further toward one degree or the other.

Being conservative with your money, morality, etc makes you a conservative.

Oh dear...

I'm frugal, don't believe in excessive taxes, attend church and study my Bible, sent my kids to parochial preschool (it's not an option past that age around here), have been happily married for 9 years to the only man I ever dated, can hunt, fish, change my own tires and assorted other fend-for-oneself skills...


--Why RR, you've just declared me a conservative. :shock:

All this time I thought I was a moderate. :wink:
 

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I'm just wondering when the day comes that we will all stand before our Maker, if He will ask us if we are a Liberal or a Conservative, a Democrat or a Republican.

It seems to me that he said that he will be asking us if we fed the hungry, clothed the naked, visited those in prison or even gave so much as a cup of cold water IN HIS NAME.

The litmus test is in how we respond to the needs around us without compromising either our or their personal responsibility.

I think that since most of us on this board are considered to be the world's wealthy, we are going to have to answer for how we used what we have.
 

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What's a moderate?

I remember as a kid not understanding how you could be tied to a particular party. Or even why for that matter. My grandfather was a full blown Republican and till I got older and started paying more attention I always considered myself niether Republican nor Democrat, I always told myself that when I got old enough to vote, I was going to listen to both sides and then pick the better man for the job, well I got older, smarter and started paying more attention. I don't believe in moderates, to me a moderate just is on the fence and doesn't really have a position. No I'm not saying you have to agree with everything your party says, but for the most part I do, as I am sure most honest democrats do the same. So someone please difine a moderate for me.
 

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I listen to Dave Ramsey, financial guru and I beleive him to be a very nice and a genuine caring man. Different than most radio talk show hosts.

He says we are to work to earn, save to get, and then when we reach financial security, we are to help others. He also says what we are becomes magnified when we have or come into money.

If we are generous, we will become more so, If we are miserly, we will become more so.

God loves a giver and we are to give when we can. He explaines that is why there are tithes, so that we become used to giving and it softens our heart in relation to generosity and caring.
 

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BBJ said:
What's a moderate?

I don't believe in moderates, to me a moderate just is on the fence and doesn't really have a position.

Not at all. (Which is why "Independant" is such a popular classification.)
No more than disagreeing with one party aligns you with the other.

In fact, a lot of people would be considered moderates rather than hard core conservative/liberal/libertarian/etc. Party alliances don't really make a whole lot of difference.
For example, most Republicans aren't near as right-wing as Pat Robertson. Doesn't make them "fence sitters", just means they think he's a little far off the edge. They're moderates.
Most Democrats aren't near as left-wing as Ted Kennedy. Doesn't make them "fence sitters" either. It just means their political beliefs are more centered.

To say you have to be one or the other is like saying if you don't live on the East Coast, you must live on the West Coast. :)
 

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