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Liberal Elitists?

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I'm just wondering when the day comes that we will all stand before our Maker, if He will ask us if we are a Liberal or a Conservative, a Democrat or a Republican.

Somehow I doubt it. in fact, I think if anything, He'll wonder why we thought it was important...
 
theHiredMansWife said:
BBJ said:
What's a moderate?

I don't believe in moderates, to me a moderate just is on the fence and doesn't really have a position.
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Not at all. (Which is why "Independant" is such a popular classification.)
No more than disagreeing with one party aligns you with the other.

In fact, a lot of people would be considered moderates rather than hard core conservative/liberal/libertarian/etc. Party alliances don't really make a whole lot of difference.
For example, most Republicans aren't near as right-wing as Pat Robertson. Doesn't make them "fence sitters", just means they think he's a little far off the edge. They're moderates.
Most Democrats aren't near as left-wing as Ted Kennedy. Doesn't make them "fence sitters" either. It just means their political beliefs are more centered.

To say you have to be one or the other is like saying if you don't live on the East Coast, you must live on the West Coast. :)
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I don't find it that easy although your little east coast west coast example makes it sound like it is. I agree about some are more "out there" than the majority but, when I say either Republican or Democrat, I am thinking about major issues like, abortion, govt. regulation, taxes, and those type of things. You are either for or against abortion, I personally am against it, but I can see in special cases where it might be used, but very rarely, so thats my point, you are either one or the other, am I wrong?
 
It's not so much your stance on individual issues, but rather issues in general. The platform of a party is based on a multitude of things, afterall. And, it's also a matter of what you believe for yourself vs. what you believe is good for the country as a whole.

I personally am against it, but I can see in special cases where it might be used, but very rarely, so thats my point, you are either one or the other, am I wrong?

But you just gave an example of where you see the gray. You're not totally against it. True pro-lifers say it's never okay. However, you seem to be more moderate than that. That doesn't make you wishy-washy or "on the fence." You have a clearly defined belief. It's just not to one extreme or the other.

Do you see what I mean?
 
Yes HMW I do see what you mean and I agree but the point I guess I was trying to make was generally a Republican disagrees w/ abortion and Democrats don't, Republicans are generally for lower taxes and Democrats aren't. So I guess my point is you are for the most part a Republican or Democrat in my opinion but how extreme depends more on the extent of your views, Just to say your independent is the gray area to me I guess?
 
The platform of a party is based on a multitude of things
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Yep, the extremes of the party......

most are to busy to spend the time and effort needed to go to the convention to make thier voice of moderation heard.

so in effect only a person totally dedicated to the party would make the trip....leaving the more moderate views out in the cold.....




defining a liberal is easy for me,...

just as calling me conservative is easy for a liberal.....




But your test gave me a new label.....

Economic Left/Right: 0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.00
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Puts me almost dead center? and slightly authoritarian......(must be all those years in the military?).......I guess by the tests answers ultra-neo-conservative is the wrong label for me.......I'll have to settle for strict moderate......

on the second test I scored dead center but high towards the liberatarian......so would that make me a moderate who believe the goverment can't solve our problems?
 
(Which is also what I think the Wizard of Oz is really about.)
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well Dorethy, click your heals togeather and come back from fantasy land.....


For example, some people think of "Libertarian" as whacko, Liberals as evil,
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I find it is the ideas that some promote that are evil.....such as your desire to destroy the free market and replace it with a extreme socialist/communist collective that every body has nothing,

and if the libertarian party came back from it's extreme no goverment pot smoking extreme they could "resonate with the voters"......

and how can you say your not a liberal when you head an area democratic party organization? do they find your views extreme?....

or do you tone it down so as they don't try to lock you up?
 
and if the libertarian party came back from it's extreme no goverment pot smoking extreme they could "resonate with the voters"......

They probably won't. :wink:
Libertarians are often described as strict Constitutionalists because they believe in individual freedoms over government intrusion. They're not exactly no government, but they do want minimal government.

Puts me almost dead center? and slightly authoritarian.....

I'm not surprised, Steve. I would venture to guess most people are closer to the middle than they are to one end or the other. But I think you're right that it's the extremes that are heard.

generally a Republican disagrees w/ abortion and Democrats don't, Republicans are generally for lower taxes and Democrats aren't. So I guess my point is you are for the most part a Republican or Democrat in my opinion but how extreme depends more on the extent of your views, Just to say your independent is the gray area to me I guess?

Not necessarily, BBJ. Generally, maybe. But there are a lot of Republicans who are pro-choice, just like there are a lot of Democrats who are anti-abortion. That goes back to the fact that party platforms are composed of a multitude of issues.
In Nebraska, we have two senators who are currently driving their respective parties insane.
Nelson and Hagel are both pretty moderate which means they both vote on the "other side" fairly often. Republicans think Hagel is a turncoat and Democrats are equally ticked at Nelson. :lol: But it's just a perfect example that just because someone believes in the basic party principles doesn't mean that they're going to agree with everything...
 
theHiredMansWife said:
And frankly, someone who creates a whole thread for the purpose of trying to denigrate others would strike me as an elitist....
Just something you might want to consider.
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And frankly, when you shoot into a pack of coyotes, the one that jumps straight up in the air is usually the one you've hit......
Just something you might want to consider. :D
 
I realize you started this thread trying to pick a fight...

Reading through what has been a fairly nice conversation and now your most recent contribution...
Does this mean you're still trying to pick a fight? Don't you have something more constructive to do? :???:
 
What can I say?



I've just never really "gotten it" when people deliberately try to hurt others, just for the sake of being mean. It's just never made any sense to me... Must be one of my "liberal" failings.
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Why does it bother a person with liberal beliefs to be called a liberal?


just because I "passed the test", that claimed I am a moderate,(with liberatarian* leanings) doesn't mean I can't still claim to be a idiologue-ultra-neo-conservative,...


*actually one said Liberatarian, while the other said Authoratarian.....but both put me dead center as a moderate......when all the time I've been claiming to be an Idiologue-ultra-traditional/neo-conservative.....
 
oops forgot the fundamentalist part.....

when all the time I've been claiming to be an ultra-right wing-traditional/neo-fundamentalist-conservative-Ideologue.....

do I have enough hyphens?
 
When trying to define me politically, look strait ahead at Jerry Falwell, then look way to the right and start walking east. You'll get to where I am at in a couple days if you walk fast. I am going east as well. :wink:
 
Red Robin said:
When trying to define me politically, look strait ahead at Jerry Falwell, then look way to the right and start walking east. You'll get to where I am at in a couple days if you walk fast. I am going east as well. :wink:
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Stop by here while going east. I'll walk with you. :wink:
 
reader (the Second) said:
You know how naive I am. What is the reference? Escaping from Hollywood and the Left Coast?
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Yes but you can't get too far north or you're screwed again. :wink:
 

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