• If you are having problems logging in please use the Contact Us in the lower right hand corner of the forum page for assistance.

'Liberal Idiots'

CattleArmy

Well-known member
Politician Rant on 'Liberal Idiots' Captured on Cellphone Video
YouTube video shows Rep. David Obey call constituent 'idiot'
Last Edited: Friday, 09 Mar 2007, 6:42 PM MST
Created: Friday, 09 Mar 2007, 3:35 PM MST

Represenative David Obey loses his cool on a constituent asking him to end the war in Iraq. The cellphone video of it has made the rounds on youtube.com WASHINGTON DC -- Congressman David Obey, D - WI, is caught on tape losing his temper on a contituent and "idiot liberals" at their insistence that Congress remove funding for the war to try and stop the War in Iraq.

The cellphone video has meade it's way onto Youtube.com and can be viewed here.


Obey is the Chairman of Appropriations Committee
 

CattleArmy

Well-known member
passin thru said:
A question for the left..............Do you think the war is wrong and is doing us harm with nothing to gain?

Hmm..... No I don't think the war is wrong. My uncle who served in Vietnam feels strongly that if we just pull out of Afganistan and Iraq that we set ourselves up to be targeted again. However, my wonder is how long can this go on. How many young soldiers will die in a war that seems to be more about helping a country reset up then one that is actually capturing a ton of the terriorists that started this whole thing on 9/11.

If I looked at it from the best for the U.S. point I'm sure I'd support it more. When I recall the fear of 9/11 and not knowing what is coming next yes I support it more. However, when my cousin was deployed and we lived with the fear of him not coming home.........yes I was more against it. When I see children without their parents because they have deployed national guardsmen then I'm not so for it. Am I sitting on the fence a tad yes.......and yes I know it's best not to do that. However I don't believe one way or the other enough to make a stand. Perhaps explain to me why you all feel the reason to stay is so strong. I'm here to learn, share a few of my views, and possibly find the answer to some views that I'm just not sure on.
 

Red Robin

Well-known member
CattleArmy said:
If I looked at it from the best for the U.S. point I'm sure I'd support it more. When I recall the fear of 9/11 and not knowing what is coming next yes I support it more. However, when my cousin was deployed and we lived with the fear of him not coming home.........yes I was more against it. When I see children without their parents because they have deployed national guardsmen then I'm not so for it. Am I sitting on the fence a tad yes.......and yes I know it's best not to do that. However I don't believe one way or the other enough to make a stand. Perhaps explain to me why you all feel the reason to stay is so strong. I'm here to learn, share a few of my views, and possibly find the answer to some views that I'm just not sure on.
Ladies and gentlemen I present to you the liberal view point from the Democrats of the United States of America. Well thought out point of view CattleRMe.
 

CattleArmy

Well-known member
Red Robin said:
CattleArmy said:
If I looked at it from the best for the U.S. point I'm sure I'd support it more. When I recall the fear of 9/11 and not knowing what is coming next yes I support it more. However, when my cousin was deployed and we lived with the fear of him not coming home.........yes I was more against it. When I see children without their parents because they have deployed national guardsmen then I'm not so for it. Am I sitting on the fence a tad yes.......and yes I know it's best not to do that. However I don't believe one way or the other enough to make a stand. Perhaps explain to me why you all feel the reason to stay is so strong. I'm here to learn, share a few of my views, and possibly find the answer to some views that I'm just not sure on.
Ladies and gentlemen I present to you the liberal view point from the Democrats of the United States of America. Well thought out point of view CattleRMe.

Red Robin You seem to have something negative to say to me even when I'm just trying to get some views from different view points on an issue. Not all of us instantly know without a doubt how we feel on the subject. See it's condescending small minded individuals like yourself that have made this site be one of lack of good debate. I simply stated that I wasn't sure on this issue, wasn't prepared to take a stand, I was in fact trying to polietly respond to a question that I thought passing thru was asking me and you say I'm making a point of view when in fact I wasn't.

Once again Red Robin types and it means the same as most of his posts........blah blah blah.........
 

Red Robin

Well-known member
CattleArmy said:
Red Robin said:
CattleArmy said:
If I looked at it from the best for the U.S. point I'm sure I'd support it more. When I recall the fear of 9/11 and not knowing what is coming next yes I support it more. However, when my cousin was deployed and we lived with the fear of him not coming home.........yes I was more against it. When I see children without their parents because they have deployed national guardsmen then I'm not so for it. Am I sitting on the fence a tad yes.......and yes I know it's best not to do that. However I don't believe one way or the other enough to make a stand. Perhaps explain to me why you all feel the reason to stay is so strong. I'm here to learn, share a few of my views, and possibly find the answer to some views that I'm just not sure on.
Ladies and gentlemen I present to you the liberal view point from the Democrats of the United States of America. Well thought out point of view CattleRMe.

Red Robin You seem to have something negative to say to me even when I'm just trying to get some views from different view points on an issue. Not all of us instantly know without a doubt how we feel on the subject. See it's condescending small minded individuals like yourself that have made this site be one of lack of good debate. I simply stated that I wasn't sure on this issue, wasn't prepared to take a stand, I was in fact trying to polietly respond to a question that I thought passing thru was asking me and you say I'm making a point of view when in fact I wasn't.

Once again Red Robin types and it means the same as most of his posts........blah blah blah.........
How dare any of us small minded, condescending individuals point out your glaring stupidity. Shame on me.
 

CattleArmy

Well-known member
Red Robin said:
CattleArmy said:
Red Robin said:
Ladies and gentlemen I present to you the liberal view point from the Democrats of the United States of America. Well thought out point of view CattleRMe.

Red Robin You seem to have something negative to say to me even when I'm just trying to get some views from different view points on an issue. Not all of us instantly know without a doubt how we feel on the subject. See it's condescending small minded individuals like yourself that have made this site be one of lack of good debate. I simply stated that I wasn't sure on this issue, wasn't prepared to take a stand, I was in fact trying to polietly respond to a question that I thought passing thru was asking me and you say I'm making a point of view when in fact I wasn't.

Once again Red Robin types and it means the same as most of his posts........blah blah blah.........
How dare any of us small minded, condescending individuals point out your glaring stupidity. Shame on me.

You call yourself a man and "claim" to be a Christian yet you insult women. Actions speak louder then words.

It surprises me for being such a conservative site that your actions are tolerated by gentlemen. :shock:
 

Red Robin

Well-known member
I just noted that yours was the typical liberal rant similiar to the democrats. No one comes here without criticism. If your so sensitive that you can't take criticism, maybe you need to go to a gardening forum or a different place here in ranchers than political bull. As far as me taking a shot at a woman, guilty although I don't really know your gender. I will give some honor to a gentle type woman. You come in here slinging punches then cry foul when someone plays too rough. You can't have it both ways.
 

Steve

Well-known member
It surprises me for being such a conservative site that your actions are tolerated by gentlemen.

Had you not called him "condescending small minded individual" first, I could see your point.

Not trying to duck the question, but you seem to have taken his opinion about your post and turned responded with a personnel attack.

Don't start name calling if it upsets you when they answer back.
 

Steve

Well-known member
CattleArmy
My uncle who served in Vietnam feels strongly that if we just pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq that we set ourselves up to be targeted again.

Both Osama and Saddam cited Vietnam, Lebanon, and Somalia as examples to how we could be forced to comply by attacking US and negotiate a favorable response.

They felt we were weak,...and they could attack and demand concessions.....the same concessions the Democrats will soon offer...
 

CattleArmy

Well-known member
Red Robin said:
I just noted that yours was the typical liberal rant similiar to the democrats. No one comes here without criticism. If your so sensitive that you can't take criticism, maybe you need to go to a gardening forum or a different place here in ranchers than political bull. As far as me taking a shot at a woman, guilty although I don't really know your gender. I will give some honor to a gentle type woman. You come in here slinging punches then cry foul when someone plays too rough. You can't have it both ways.

Ok point taken. However, I get sick of individuals being on one's case when they aren't sure on a point. I even stated in the original post I wasn't sure how I felt on the issue and was trying to get other's opinions and views to see if I could believe one way or another strong enough on the whole Iraq/Afganistan issue.
 

Red Robin

Well-known member
I dont' see how you get through life . I'm not being critical, I just don't understand. I've never known a situation where one might know more of the facts than you already know about the Iraq war and yet you don't know what you think? How do you know right from wrong? How do you know what you want for breakfast. Is it only important things that you can't decide your position on? Are some decisions easier for you than others?
 

Mike

Well-known member
Red Robin said:
I dont' see how you get through life . I'm not being critical, I just don't understand. I've never known a situation where one might know more of the facts than you already know about the Iraq war and yet you don't know what you think? How do you know right from wrong? How do you know what you want for breakfast. Is it only important things that you can't decide your position on? Are some decisions easier for you than others?

Robin, Robin, Robin, The answer to your questions are right before your eyes...........

Just look at the title to this thread!
 

Tom Russell

Active member
Okay, CattleArmy, without parsing this entire thread perhaps I can answer the question you have posed to wit: “trying to get other's opinions and views to see if I could believe one way or another strong enough on the whole Iraq/Afganistan issue.”

Here is my take on the reasons for finishing the job we started: we got into this predicament because Americans were scared after 9-11. If you recall, there were few if any of us who wanted to hide from our enemies. The result was to go after terrorists on their home turf before they struck at us again. Do we agree so far?

Now we are in a battle much the same as a marriage counselor trying to separate a warring couple. Do we retreat because the going is tough or do we step up to the plate to complete the job we find ourselves in? I don’t have the answer but I do know this much. If we retreat now, we will merely beholden our enemies to take potshots at us again. Agree or disagree? Have a nice day!
 

andybob

Well-known member
While I cannot compare my military service to the present Iraq conflict, as we defended our country on 'home ground', the fact is, we won the military war but lost the political war due to negative world opinion with the disasterous results now seen. The situation must be brought under sufficient controll for the Iraq forces to take over, we are still far from that point. America cannot be percieved to have lost this war!
On the personal front, our daughter served in Bosnia before this present conflict, while as parents we worried, at no time did we feel that in either conflict, that we should not support the military effort to it's logical conclusion despite the frightening possibility of our 'losing' her.
To date only one of the 200 Zimbabwean soldiers serving in the British army has been KIA, Christopher Muzvuru of the Irish Guards, so as a community we have been blessed, while our daughter has finished her (extended) contract with the army, she is still eligible to be called up as a territorial (home guard) so we can still empithise with other soldier's parents, but we believe THE JOB MUST BE PROPERLY COMPLEATED!
 

Steve

Well-known member
AndyBob:
so we can still empithise with other soldier's parents, but we believe THE JOB MUST BE PROPERLY COMPLEATED!

Heard a democrat politician say ,..."we can't afford to keep soldiers over there forever"...

and my only thought was can we afford not to?

Germany and Japan took a lot of our National effort to defeat...and to this day we are still there, but many forget the sacrifice of our deployed soldiers and money spent to make our defeated enemies the stable governments they are today

chart3_1.gif


While I have no historical data to compare Germany with Iraq, it is easy to see we kept alot of our soldiers there and still do.
chart4_1.gif


http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/cda04-11.cfm
 

Steve

Well-known member
AndyBob:
we won the military war but lost the political war due to negative world opinion with the disastrous results now seen.

It seems that many do not have the knowledge, foresight, nor will to do what is right.,... but seem to have no problem siding with feel good policy and then when it goes all to hell, walking away....

Unfortunately Africa has seen this done over and over again...
 

andybob

Well-known member
It seems that many do not have the knowledge, foresight, nor will to do what is right.,... but seem to have no problem siding with feel good policy and then when it goes all to hell, walking away....

Unfortunately Africa has seen this done over and over again...[/quote]
And so, as we refuse to learn from history, we repeat our mistakes over and over...now wouldn't a policy of appeasement help in the present conflict? :mad:
 
Top