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Liberal Protest of Gov. Walker's Budget Repair Plan

hypocritexposer

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Rhetoric vs. Reality: Liberal Protest of Gov. Walker's Budget Repair Plan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71gsnLfsbbM&feature=player_embedded


Imagine just a few years ago had somebody walked around with images of Hitler
Robeert Gibbs

What's with all the targeting of Government officials and calling for their deaths
 

Tam

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The left will totally deny these signs ever existed you can bet on that. The left is morally bankrupt and their leaders and liberal bias media prove it everyday.

How else can Obama tell everyone just a few short weeks ago to hold down the dangerous heated rhetoric after the AZ shooting and support the WI's public sector Unions when they supporters are carrying signs TARGETING A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR. and calling for his death. Obama is the biggest hypocrite on the face of the earth for not telling the unions to stop it and you can bet it is because he is facing the voters and need the Unions support to have a prayer of a chance. :x
 

TSR

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Tam said:
The left will totally deny these signs ever existed you can bet on that. The left is morally bankrupt and their leaders and liberal bias media prove it everyday.

How else can Obama tell everyone just a few short weeks ago to hold down the dangerous heated rhetoric after the AZ shooting and support the WI's public sector Unions when they supporters are carrying signs TARGETING A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR. and calling for his death. Obama is the biggest hypocrite on the face of the earth for not telling the unions to stop it and you can bet it is because he is facing the voters and need the Unions support to have a prayer of a chance. :x

And unions make up what % of the voters in America? And yes, I am a union supporter.
 

Steve

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Highlights from the 2010 data:

--The union membership rate for public sector workers (36.2 percent) was substantially higher than the rate for private sector workers (6.9 percent).
(See table 3.)

--Workers in education, training, and library occupations had the highest
unionization rate at 37.1 percent. (See table 3.)

--Black workers were more likely to be union members than were white, Asian, or Hispanic workers. (See table 1.)

--Among states, New York had the highest union membership rate (24.2 percent)
and North Carolina had the lowest rate (3.2 percent). (See table 5.)

Industry and Occupation of Union Members
In 2010, 7.6 million public sector employees belonged to a union, compared with 7.1 million union workers in the private sector. The union membership rate for public sector workers (36.2 percent) was substantially higher than the rate for private sector workers (6.9 percent). Within the public sector, local government workers had the highest union membership rate, 42.3 percent. This group includes workers in heavily unionized occupations, such as teachers, police officers, and fire fighters.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm

The number of wage and salary workers belonging to unions declined by 612,000 to 14.7 million.

In 2010, the union membership rate--the percent of wage and salary workers who were members of a union--was 11.9 percent,

is there a reason in a democracy where a little over 10% should dictate to the other 90%

I have worked at several places that were heavily union.. and as a hardworking employee, I often felt like the union was not working for me.

even as a fairly elected shop steward that had his membership revoked despite still having to pay dues, I always had a bit of a feeling that they didn't really like me either.. I never felt like they had my back. maybe it was the unfounded grievances, harassment, flat tires, torching of my equipment or bullets.. but for some reason, I never felt they really supported me other then forcibly taking my dues..
 

hypocritexposer

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good point Steve. If you read some of the comments over at Huffington Post, you will quickly see that unions are doing everybody a favor in asking for more.

The corporations and the rich do not pay their fair share, so unions feel that other middle class taxpayers should be happy giving more of their taxes to pay for union member benefits, while losing their homes.

Or something like that, it's kind of hard to follow.
 

TSR

Well-known member
Steve said:
Highlights from the 2010 data:

--The union membership rate for public sector workers (36.2 percent) was substantially higher than the rate for private sector workers (6.9 percent).
(See table 3.)

--Workers in education, training, and library occupations had the highest
unionization rate at 37.1 percent. (See table 3.)

--Black workers were more likely to be union members than were white, Asian, or Hispanic workers. (See table 1.)

--Among states, New York had the highest union membership rate (24.2 percent)
and North Carolina had the lowest rate (3.2 percent). (See table 5.)

Industry and Occupation of Union Members
In 2010, 7.6 million public sector employees belonged to a union, compared with 7.1 million union workers in the private sector. The union membership rate for public sector workers (36.2 percent) was substantially higher than the rate for private sector workers (6.9 percent). Within the public sector, local government workers had the highest union membership rate, 42.3 percent. This group includes workers in heavily unionized occupations, such as teachers, police officers, and fire fighters.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm

The number of wage and salary workers belonging to unions declined by 612,000 to 14.7 million.

In 2010, the union membership rate--the percent of wage and salary workers who were members of a union--was 11.9 percent,

is there a reason in a democracy where a little over 10% should dictate to the other 90%

I have worked at several places that were heavily union.. and as a hardworking employee, I often felt like the union was not working for me.

even as a fairly elected shop steward that had his membership revoked despite still having to pay dues, I always had a bit of a feeling that they didn't really like me either.. I never felt like they had my back. maybe it was the unfounded grievances, harassment, flat tires, torching of my equipment or bullets.. but for some reason, I never felt they really supported me other then forcibly taking my dues..

Steve, your experiences might not reflect the majority of union members and they certainly don't reflect my experiences while in a union. There are exceptions to every situation. I'm sure hypocritexposure will thank me for expressing my experiences while a union member. The average union guy is just trying to make a better life for himself and his family,the same as the supervisors,foremans, ceo, etc.
 

hypocritexposer

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TSR said:
Steve said:
Highlights from the 2010 data:

--The union membership rate for public sector workers (36.2 percent) was substantially higher than the rate for private sector workers (6.9 percent).
(See table 3.)

--Workers in education, training, and library occupations had the highest
unionization rate at 37.1 percent. (See table 3.)

--Black workers were more likely to be union members than were white, Asian, or Hispanic workers. (See table 1.)

--Among states, New York had the highest union membership rate (24.2 percent)
and North Carolina had the lowest rate (3.2 percent). (See table 5.)

Industry and Occupation of Union Members
In 2010, 7.6 million public sector employees belonged to a union, compared with 7.1 million union workers in the private sector. The union membership rate for public sector workers (36.2 percent) was substantially higher than the rate for private sector workers (6.9 percent). Within the public sector, local government workers had the highest union membership rate, 42.3 percent. This group includes workers in heavily unionized occupations, such as teachers, police officers, and fire fighters.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm

The number of wage and salary workers belonging to unions declined by 612,000 to 14.7 million.

In 2010, the union membership rate--the percent of wage and salary workers who were members of a union--was 11.9 percent,

is there a reason in a democracy where a little over 10% should dictate to the other 90%

I have worked at several places that were heavily union.. and as a hardworking employee, I often felt like the union was not working for me.

even as a fairly elected shop steward that had his membership revoked despite still having to pay dues, I always had a bit of a feeling that they didn't really like me either.. I never felt like they had my back. maybe it was the unfounded grievances, harassment, flat tires, torching of my equipment or bullets.. but for some reason, I never felt they really supported me other then forcibly taking my dues..

Steve, your experiences might not reflect the majority of union members and they certainly don't reflect my experiences while in a union. There are exceptions to every situation. I'm sure hypocritexposure will thank me for expressing my experiences while a union member. The average union guy is just trying to make a better life for himself and his family,the same as the supervisors,foremans, ceo, etc.


so they won't have a problem contributing a bit more to their own pensions, right?
 

Tam

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The strange thing is if the Unions don't smarten up and give a little to help pay for their own pensions and health care, the WI governor said he is going to have to lay off 6000 teachers to make up the cuts they have to make so the whole state doesn't go bankrupt. So who are the unions really looking out for, Their members or their own power and influence in the public workers sector?

Unions had proven more than a few times through history they would rather see people lose their jobs verses giving up a little and working with the government to help save those jobs.



this is a very interesting read about the history of unions helping their members TSR :wink:

http://hubpages.com/hub/Unions-killed-Michigan

First, I will recount three stories, with which I am intimately familiar. Malleable Industries was a manufacturing company in my home town, which went into Chapter 11 bankruptcy in the late 1960s. I knew some of the 900 men who worked there. Through a series of strikes, the men were making wages usually attained only by professionals, such as doctors or lawyers, in spite of lacking not only an education, but many were barely literate—and I do not mean that to disparage them as human beings. Unfortunately, paying these wages had caused the company to lose millions of dollars several years in a row and they were bankrupt. The reason I mention this case is, what happened in court. A federal judge issued a plan to keep the company alive. He told the union if they would accept a 20% pay cut—back to the wages they earned less than ten years prior—he would vanquish the creditors and give the company a fresh start. Otherwise, he would liquidate the company's assets and close it forever. It came down to vote of the rank-and-file union members. Their leaders told them to reject the judge, because a union should never give up what they called hard fought gains. The workers voted 895-5 to close their own factory, putting them all out of work; and a factory capitalized with millions of dollars in land, buildings and equipment became extinct.

In a fascinating sidebar, Malleable Industries sued the union, seeking to recover damages resulting from three strikes conducted by the labor unions in violation of a collective bargaining agreement containing a no-strike clause. The jury returned a verdict in the amount of $115,000 against the Local Union and $1,210,000 against the International Union—one of the few verdicts in the history of the United States in favor of a corporation against a union.


900 workers lost their jobs because the UNION SHOULD NEVER GIVE UP ANYTHING. :roll:

Now here is something interesting info about Government Motors formerly known a GM before the government bailed it out and it filed for bankrupcy.

Today because of the damage done by unions, General Motors loses $2331 on every vehicle they produce, while Toyota makes a profit of $1488 per unit. The plants in Detroit take 20% more man-hours to produce each car for two reasons: the unions protect inept workers; and the unions fight automation. GM has a cost factor of $74 per hour for its workers versus $48 per hour for the Japanese plants in America (all in right-to-work-states).

Gee Unions protect inept workers and I hear this including teachers that can't be trusted to be in a classroom with children but they are UNION protected and get a taxpayer funded paycheck anyway. :?

But most important Unions look out for unions at the cost of members good bad or in between

In our times, another major issue is that Unions force their members to pay dues which are then used to support political causes that the individual worker is staunchly opposed to. And the fact is, manufacturers today, in "right to work states" are profitable, while manufacturers in Michigan are not; and more importantly, these manufacturers produce higher economic growth and new job creation, as well as lower unemployment rates. In March 2009, Michigan's unemployment rate rose to 12.6%, the highest in the nation.

Unions sure have been good for Michigan workers and US tax payers haven't they TSR? :wink: :roll:

Support your Union leaders all the way to the unemployment line. :roll:
 

I Luv Herfrds

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Funny thing about history those who do not pay attention to it are bound to repeat it.

Maybe these teachers should do a little history lesson and look up the Anaconda Smelter and look at what happened there to that union.
I was too young to remember it, but a lot of other people remember what happened.
 

Faster horses

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Same with the ACME coal mine out of Sheridan, Wyoming, but into
Montana. (Wyoming is a Right-to-work state). They struck so many
times the mine was shut down and they were all out of work. :shock:

We had hunters for many years from Michigan that worked for the
auto makers. The stories they told :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
Like a lady falling into a mold...the workers pulled her out, but
she laid there for 45 minutes because union wouldn't let them
shut the line down and take care of her. :shock: :x
They hated the union but they were basically forced to join.
One story that was told was the area where they worked was really
cold and the union wouldn't do anything about it, so among themselves
they decided who should go to management with the problem. That
happened and the problem was taken care of--NOT by the union--
but they sure got their dues from the workers anyhow... :x

And we had a hunter from Minnesota who worked for the Post Office.
No wonder they are broke, actually more than broke! He told us that
the union timed them for sorting letters and if they couldn't sort so
many letters in a certain time, they couldn't go faster, another person
was hired...and delivering letters (he was a walking mailman) they
couldn't cut across lawns to deliver faster and if they couldn't get
the mail delivered in a certain time, ANOTHER PERSON WAS HIRED.
Makes a lot of sense, doesn't it???

He took us to the Hormel Meat Packing Plant where there was a strike
going on. There were union people there timing workers and when
they got so many pigs processed, they had to sit there and not work. The strike
was over 2 pigs an hour. Workers were paid so much per hour based on an amount of pigs that were processed; and then
more for extra pigs that got processed. Management wanted to include
2 more pigs in the regular pay and the union said "no" and shut the
workers down to base amount of pigs processed. It hurt the company because they couldn't fill orders they
had, so they lost money. The workers were used to profit-sharing
which was usually paid around Christmas time. Christmas that year
wasn't so hot, because the company lost money not filling orders and
there was no profit to share. All over 2 pigs an hour!!
 

Steve

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TSR said:
Steve, your experiences might not reflect the majority of union members and they certainly don't reflect my experiences while in a union. There are exceptions to every situation. I'm sure hypocritexposure will thank me for expressing my experiences while a union member. The average union guy is just trying to make a better life for himself and his family,the same as the supervisors,foremans, ceo, etc.

I doubt my experiences represent the majority as well.. from the stories I have heard over the years, it is clear my experiences are not rare, and may be the reason so few in this country actually support the unions.

today less then 20% of the country is union.. and a majority of them are in the public sector jobs..

if unions had stood up for all workers and worked for the good of the workers and companies it might have been different.. but they didn't..
 
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