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Liberals Go Nuts Over Hobby Lobby Ruling

Mike

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I'm looking for the suicide rate in D.C. to match that of Montana. Pissing down the legs, gnawing and gnashing their undergarments. What would they have done if Buckwheat had added tattoos to Obamacare, then to be rejected by SCOTUS?


Former Secretary of State and likely 2016 presidential candidate Hillary Clinton criticized the Supreme Court's decision to allow companies to opt out of the Affordable Care Act's birth control mandate on religious grounds, calling the ruling "deeply disturbing."

Speaking Monday during a Facebook Live event at the Aspen Ideas Festival in Colorado, Clinton was asked for her take on the 5-4 ruling in Burwell v. Hobby Lobby, which said closely held corporations are not required to provide contraception coverage for their employees.

“I find it deeply disturbing that we are going in that direction,” Clinton said. “It is very troubling that a sales clerk at Hobby Lobby who needs contraception, which is pretty expensive, is not going to get that service through her employer’s health-care plan because her employer doesn’t think she should be using contraception."

Clinton warned that the ruling creates a "slippery slope" of companies claiming religious exemptions to other laws.

"Many more companies will claim religious beliefs. Some will be some sincere, others maybe not. We’re going to see this one insurable service cut out for many women,” Clinton said. "This is a really bad, slippery slope."

Many other Democrats vocally condemned the ruling, and congressional leaders immediately got to work crafting a legislative response. Perhaps the most scathing response of all came from Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who penned a blistering 35-page dissent.
 
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Anonymous

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I get the impression the Dems will make this another conservatives war against women campaign issue.... :wink:


June 30, 2014

Supreme Court Majority Calls Case a Dispute Between Women and People

Posted by Andy Borowitz



WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—By a 5–4 vote on Monday, the United States Supreme Court settled a dispute that Justice Samuel Alito said was “at its core about the rights of women versus the rights of people.”


Writing for the majority, Justice Alito wrote, “It is the duty of this Court, whenever it sees that the rights of people are being threatened, to do our best to safeguard those rights. In this case, it is clear that people’s rights were being threatened by women.”

Acknowledging that some women “might argue that they, too, have some claim to being people,” Justice Alito wrote, “That is an interesting question for another day.”

While the Court’s decision caused an uproar across the country, it received a big thumbs-up from one of the Justices who voted with the majority, Antonin Scalia.

“This has been a crappy year or so around here, what with all that gay-marriage stuff, but at least we finished strong,” he said.
 

Mike

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NO ONE is stupid enough to believe that if one company doesn't buy the abortive contraceptives for employees, that none of the others will either.

Get another job!!!!!

Besides, what would Planned Parenthood do for their millions/billions in gov't subsidies?
 
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Anonymous

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Mike said:
NO ONE is stupid enough to believe that if one company doesn't buy the abortive contraceptives for employees, that none of the others will either.

Get another job!!!!!

Besides, what would Planned Parenthood do for their millions/billions in gov't subsidies?

You're right- it is a rather unimportant ruling when you look at the big picture
BUT
the Dems are already making hay with it thru the women's groups-- and just like Palins conflicting stands on birth control and her wanting rape victims to pay the cost of rape kits/exams ran women away from the McCain/Palin ticket in 2008-- this will be used as ammo!

Personally I see it as more of a win for separation of Church and State that old Teddy would be proud to see...

 

Steve

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the Dems are already making hay with it thru the women's groups-- and just like Palins conflicting stands on birth control and her wanting rape victims to pay the cost of rape kits/exams ran women away from the McCain/Palin ticket in 2008-- this will be used as ammo!

all this line of thought proves is that liberals in general are to dumb to think for themselves and look up the facts..


$9 Monthly cost of some generic versions of the birth control pill ($108 a year)

Emergency contraceptive pills can cost between $35 and $60 when purchased at a pharmacy.

maybe the unions should fund the coverage... as they seem to be screwing you more then your employers..
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
I get the impression the Dems will make this another conservatives war against women campaign issue.... :wink:

Yeah, probably so. And I'm betting the same numbskulls that fell for Hope & Change will run with this one too. Not that anyone here would have been that stupid. :roll:
 

Steve

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Personally I see it as more of a win for separation of Church and State that old Teddy would be proud to see...

not that any liberal really understands that it is the state that is forbidden from interfering with the church and not the other way around...


but yes it is a win for the "separation" the state needs to stop dictating what a religion must give up. and this decision pushes the state back a small step...





Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

is it really to difficult for liberals to figure out the first amendment restricts and limits the government and not the people?
 

ranch hand

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the Dems are already making hay with it thru the women's groups-- and just like Palins conflicting stands on birth control and her wanting rape victims to pay the cost of rape kits/exams ran women away from the McCain/Palin ticket in 2008-- this will be used as ammo!

The latest myth touted on liberal blogs that’s bubbled its way into mainstream news headlines is the one where Sarah Palin ordered rape victims to pay for their own rape kits.

“Palin’s Town Used to Bill Victims for Rape Kits” was headline on a Thursday USA Today news story. Reporters Ken Dilanian and Matt Kelley used a 2000 quote from former Wasilla Police Chief to blame Palin for an outdated, now illegal policy she never supported.

“In the past, we’ve charged the cost of exams to victim’s insurance companies when possible,” former chief Charlie Fannon told the Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman in 2000 as then-Democratic Governor Tony Knowles was signing legislation to make local police branches cover the costs of the kits.

“I just don’t want to see any more burden on the taxpayer,” Fannon said at the time, which was reprinted in the USA Today.

Fannon went on to say that he believed the criminal should be held responsible for the costs, which run from $5,000-$14,000 per year for all assault cases. USA Today did not reprint those quotes from the interview, though. “The forensic exam is just one part of the equation,” Fannon said at the time “I’d like to see the courts make these people pay restitution for these things.”

Liberal blogs like HuffingtonPost, DailyKos and Salon.com are using this interview the Frontier conducted with Fannon to accuse Palin, who was mayor of Wasilla from 1996-2002, of supporting making rape victims pay for their rape kits– a charge vehemently denied by her aides.

“It would appear that Sarah Palin has a problem with Rape,” blogger Steven R wrote on the DailyKos. “In addition to not supporting the availability of Abortion for victims of Rape, Mayor Sarah Palin, Maverick, Fiscal Conservative, also had citizens of Wasilla pick up the bill for their own forensics tests.”

Palin spokeswoman Maria Cornella told USA Today that Palin, “does not believe, nor has ever believed, that rape victims should have to pay for an evidence-gathering test.”

“Gov. Palin’s position could not be more clear,” Cornella said. “To suggest otherwise is a deliberate misrepresentation of her commitment to supporting victims and bringing violent criminals to justice.”
 

Mike

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Hillary Lies............................
On Monday evening, Hillary Clinton said that she found the Supreme Court's ruling in the Hobby Lobby case "deeply disturbing." Clinton added that "it’s very troubling that a salesclerk at Hobby Lobby who needs contraception, which is pretty expensive, is not going to get that service through her employer’s health care plan because her employer doesn’t think she should be using contraception.”

Contrary to Clinton's assertion Hobby Lobby's owner "doesn't think [women] should be using contraception," the family-owned business covers the entire cost of 16 out of 20 FDA-approved contraceptives under its insurance plan. The company's owners simply objected to covering pills or devices that may cause the death of a human embryo.

The Supreme Court ruled Monday that the government's contraception mandate as applied to closely held corporations was a violation of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which was signed into law by Bill Clinton in 1993. The Court held that the government could provide coverage for contraceptives and abortifacients without forcing Americans, like the Christian family that owns Hobby Lobby, to violate their sincerely held religious beliefs.

Following the Court's ruling, Hobby Lobby, like almost all employers in the United States, will continue to cover contraception under its insurance plan. The federal government will also continue to spend hundreds of millions of dollars each year providing contraception to poor and low-income women through Medicaid and the Title X program.

Although Clinton, who commands a $225,000 speaking fee, claimed that contraception is "pretty expensive," a month's supply of birth control pills may be purchased at Target for as little as $9 per month.
 

Faster horses

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Mike said:
Hillary Lies............................
On Monday evening, Hillary Clinton said that she found the Supreme Court's ruling in the Hobby Lobby case "deeply disturbing." Clinton added that "it’s very troubling that a salesclerk at Hobby Lobby who needs contraception, which is pretty expensive, is not going to get that service through her employer’s health care plan because her employer doesn’t think she should be using contraception.”

Contrary to Clinton's assertion Hobby Lobby's owner "doesn't think [women] should be using contraception," the family-owned business covers the entire cost of 16 out of 20 FDA-approved contraceptives under its insurance plan. The company's owners simply objected to covering pills or devices that may cause the death of a human embryo.

The Supreme Court ruled Monday that the government's contraception mandate as applied to closely held corporations was a violation of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which was signed into law by Bill Clinton in 1993. The Court held that the government could provide coverage for contraceptives and abortifacients without forcing Americans, like the Christian family that owns Hobby Lobby, to violate their sincerely held religious beliefs.

Following the Court's ruling, Hobby Lobby, like almost all employers in the United States, will continue to cover contraception under its insurance plan. The federal government will also continue to spend hundreds of millions of dollars each year providing contraception to poor and low-income women through Medicaid and the Title X program.

Although Clinton, who commands a $225,000 speaking fee, claimed that contraception is "pretty expensive," a month's supply of birth control pills may be purchased at Target for as little as $9 per month.

The problem lies in the fact that many will just listen to what she had to say and never look into it further. And those people vote...
 

littlejoe

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Yeah, probably so. And I'm betting the same numbskulls that fell for Hope & Change will run with this one too. Not that anyone here would have been that stupid. :roll:[/quote]


No, sadly---they're stupider. Proven by the fact that they can't compete or beat these other morons. Sad.
 
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The Truth-O-Meter Says:


Kohn
"Hobby Lobby provided this (birth control) coverage before they decided to drop it to file suit."

Sally Kohn on Monday, June 30th, 2014 in a segment on CNN



Did Hobby Lobby once provide the birth control coverage it sued the Obama administration over?

Mostly True


Hobby Lobby’s Supreme Court victory over the federal government’s contraception rule set off a fast-breaking wave of punditry on national TV. CNN brought in liberal pundit and contributor Sally Kohn, who panned the court’s 5-4 decision as disastrous and Hobby Lobby’s intentions as disingenuous.

"Hobby Lobby provided this coverage before they decided to drop it to file suit, which was politically motivated," she said.

We can’t determine if politics motivated the company, but we did wonder whether Hobby Lobby covered the types of birth control at issue in its lawsuit but dropped the coverage before filing its complaint.

The short answer: Yes.


The Green family, which founded Hobby Lobby in Oklahoma City in 1972, said as much in its original complaint.

The Greens re-examined the company’s health insurance policy back in 2012, shortly before filing the lawsuit. A Wall Street Journal story says they looked into their plan after being approached by an attorney from the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty about possible legal action over the federal government’s contraceptives requirement.

That was when, according to the company’s complaint, they were surprised to learn their prescription drug policy included two drugs, Plan B and ella, which are emergency contraceptive pills that reduce the chance of pregnancy in the days after unprotected sex. The government does not consider morning-after pills as abortifacients because they are used to prevent eggs from being fertilized (not to induce abortions once a woman is pregnant). This is not, however, what the Green family believes, which is that life begins at conception and these drugs impede the survival of fertilized eggs.

At any rate, Hobby Lobby stopped covering those drugs in its plan and took the health care contraceptive mandate to court, represented by the Becket Fund.

The only caveat here is Hobby Lobby said it didn’t know it was covering the drugs.

"Coverage of these drugs was not included knowingly or deliberately by the Green family. Such coverage is out of step with the rest of the Hobby Lobby’s policies, which explicitly exclude abortion-causing contraceptive devices and pregnancy-terminating drugs," the company stated in its court filing.

Of note, company leaders do not have religious problems with other forms of birth control, such as the pill, condoms, diaphragms and sterilization, according to the family’s legal representation, the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty.

Our ruling

On CNN, Kohn said, "Hobby Lobby provided this coverage before they decided to drop it to file suit."

The Christian-owned company did previously offer insurance plans that included coverage of a few contraceptives at issue in the case, namely morning-after pills, but reports suggest owners weren't aware they offered that coverage.

When the company found out -- in the wake of the contraceptive requirements that came out after the health care law -- the company stopped offering the drugs and took the contraceptive mandate to court.

Kohn’s statement is accurate but leaves out that Hobby Lobby says it unwittingly offered this kind of birth control coverage. We rate the claim Mostly True.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jul/01/sally-kohn/did-hobby-lobby-once-provide-birth-control-coverag/

An interesting little tidbit about the case...
 

Mike

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hopalong said:
You are much more informed than anyone else EH oldtimer :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Because Lying Liars always assume everyone else is lying, they almost always strike out when attempting to catch someone in a lie.

Just like here. :roll:
 
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