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List Of Things OT DOESN'T Like

Soapweed

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Anything that is successful, such as the present Beef Check-off, administered by the NCBA. Liberals such as Oldtimer thrive on things not working, so they can mitch and boan. Liberals are "victims" at heart, and that is the whole foundation of their existence.
 
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Anonymous

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Soapweed said:
Anything that is successful, such as the present Beef Check-off, administered by the NCBA. Liberals such as Oldtimer thrive on things not working, so they can mitch and boan. Liberals are "victims" at heart, and that is the whole foundation of their existence.



Actually that one is such a falsehood I have to comment on it...
I've long been a backer of the Beef Check-off-- and felt/feel that it should be raised...
BUT that said- with all the controversy surrounding NCBA's handling of the check-off dollars/tax - I don't think it can get approval to raise it thru Congress- nor do I believe it could pass a referendum vote of all check-off payers if left in NCBA's hands... Until the CBB and the Check-off is totally removed from NCBA's hands- its bound to wallow around where it is now....
Even if NCBA is doing no wrong and all the allegations are false (which I know they are not since I've seen some wrongdoings personally) - they've put themselves in the position that they are now the check-offs worst enemy...
They need to remove themselves from any contact with the Check-off that even leaves the slightest appearance of impropriety....
If NCBA doesn't voluntarily give up their current level of involvement in the
Check-off to the agreement of the other Ag/cattle groups and the USDA- the only way to get a check-off raise will be by creating a new check-off....
 

Mike

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Soapweed said:
Anything that is successful, such as the present Beef Check-off, administered by the NCBA. Liberals such as Oldtimer thrive on things not working, so they can mitch and boan. Liberals are "victims" at heart, and that is the whole foundation of their existence.



Actually that one is such a falsehood I have to comment on it...
I've long been a backer of the Beef Check-off-- and felt/feel that it should be raised...
BUT that said- with all the controversy surrounding NCBA's handling of the check-off dollars/tax - I don't think it can get approval to raise it thru Congress- nor do I believe it could pass a referendum vote of all check-off payers if left in NCBA's hands... Until the CBB and the Check-off is totally removed from NCBA's hands- its bound to wallow around where it is now....
Even if NCBA is doing no wrong and all the allegations are false (which I know they are not since I've seen some wrongdoings personally) - they've put themselves in the position that they are now the check-offs worst enemy...
They need to remove themselves from any contact with the Check-off that even leaves the slightest appearance of impropriety....
If NCBA doesn't voluntarily give up their current level of involvement in the
Check-off to the agreement of the other Ag/cattle groups and the USDA- the only way to get a check-off raise will be by creating a new check-off....

So......after all that you have shown that Soapweed was exactly correct. You don't like the "check-off administered by the NCBA" after all. :roll:

back to the topic of this thread:

People who won't go along with his lies.
 
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Anonymous

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Mike said:
Oldtimer said:
Soapweed said:
Anything that is successful, such as the present Beef Check-off, administered by the NCBA. Liberals such as Oldtimer thrive on things not working, so they can mitch and boan. Liberals are "victims" at heart, and that is the whole foundation of their existence.



Actually that one is such a falsehood I have to comment on it...
I've long been a backer of the Beef Check-off-- and felt/feel that it should be raised...
BUT that said- with all the controversy surrounding NCBA's handling of the check-off dollars/tax - I don't think it can get approval to raise it thru Congress- nor do I believe it could pass a referendum vote of all check-off payers if left in NCBA's hands... Until the CBB and the Check-off is totally removed from NCBA's hands- its bound to wallow around where it is now....
Even if NCBA is doing no wrong and all the allegations are false (which I know they are not since I've seen some wrongdoings personally) - they've put themselves in the position that they are now the check-offs worst enemy...
They need to remove themselves from any contact with the Check-off that even leaves the slightest appearance of impropriety....
If NCBA doesn't voluntarily give up their current level of involvement in the
Check-off to the agreement of the other Ag/cattle groups and the USDA- the only way to get a check-off raise will be by creating a new check-off....

So......after all that you have shown that Soapweed was exactly correct. You don't like the "check-off administered by the NCBA" after all. :roll:

back to the topic of this thread:

People who won't go along with his lies.

Well if you and Soap think this is a Liberal/Conservative issue you are about as wrong as can be... Some of the biggest supporters of taking the cow tax out of the hands of a private corporate groups control (NCBA) are some of the most conservative old cowboys you'll ever find....
 

Faster horses

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
Oldtimer said:
Actually that one is such a falsehood I have to comment on it...
I've long been a backer of the Beef Check-off-- and felt/feel that it should be raised...
BUT that said- with all the controversy surrounding NCBA's handling of the check-off dollars/tax - I don't think it can get approval to raise it thru Congress- nor do I believe it could pass a referendum vote of all check-off payers if left in NCBA's hands... Until the CBB and the Check-off is totally removed from NCBA's hands- its bound to wallow around where it is now....
Even if NCBA is doing no wrong and all the allegations are false (which I know they are not since I've seen some wrongdoings personally) - they've put themselves in the position that they are now the check-offs worst enemy...
They need to remove themselves from any contact with the Check-off that even leaves the slightest appearance of impropriety....
If NCBA doesn't voluntarily give up their current level of involvement in the
Check-off to the agreement of the other Ag/cattle groups and the USDA- the only way to get a check-off raise will be by creating a new check-off....

So......after all that you have shown that Soapweed was exactly correct. You don't like the "check-off administered by the NCBA" after all. :roll:

back to the topic of this thread:

People who won't go along with his lies.

Well if you and Soap think this is a Liberal/Conservative issue you are about as wrong as can be... Some of the biggest supporters of taking the cow tax out of the hands of a private corporate groups control (NCBA) are some of the most conservative old cowboys you'll ever find....

Those cowboys might be old, but you'll not find a conservative cowboy that wants the government into anything that has to do with a cow, or anything else for that matter.
 

Steve

Well-known member
yep,.. best time to raise the steer tax and screw up the program is when the prices are high and few would be able to object...

and then blame it on the conservative cowboys..

I would say Soap is about spot on in his assessment of a liberal icon.. :shock:
 
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Anonymous

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Faster horses said:
Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
So......after all that you have shown that Soapweed was exactly correct. You don't like the "check-off administered by the NCBA" after all. :roll:

back to the topic of this thread:

People who won't go along with his lies.

Well if you and Soap think this is a Liberal/Conservative issue you are about as wrong as can be... Some of the biggest supporters of taking the cow tax out of the hands of a private corporate groups control (NCBA) are some of the most conservative old cowboys you'll ever find....

Those cowboys might be old, but you'll not find a conservative cowboy that wants the government into anything that has to do with a cow, or anything else for that matter.

FH- you don't seem to realize that government became completely involved when the NCBA wanted to make the check-off mandatory-- and the only way they could do that was to argue in court that the check-off funds were government speach/ a tax.... And that's what they got- a mandatory cow tax... And thats why it should not be controlled by any corporate entity that supports political issues ...

And that is why so many people oppose it staying in NCBA's control- preferring a totally independent CBB appointed by the USDA that has full control over the funds... NCBA should be a stand alone entity with no control of/sharing of tax dollars...

Not a conservative issue or liberal issue- just the right way to handle tax dollars... I've seen few clear liberal/conservative issues concerning cow politics...

And until that change takes place- I don't believe you can/will see the check-off amount raised- altho Steve is correct that this is the perfect time...
 

Soapweed

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Oldtimer said:
Soapweed said:
Anything that is successful, such as the present Beef Check-off, administered by the NCBA. Liberals such as Oldtimer thrive on things not working, so they can mitch and boan. Liberals are "victims" at heart, and that is the whole foundation of their existence.



Actually that one is such a falsehood I have to comment on it...
I've long been a backer of the Beef Check-off-- and felt/feel that it should be raised...
BUT that said- with all the controversy surrounding NCBA's handling of the check-off dollars/tax - I don't think it can get approval to raise it thru Congress- nor do I believe it could pass a referendum vote of all check-off payers if left in NCBA's hands... Until the CBB and the Check-off is totally removed from NCBA's hands- its bound to wallow around where it is now....
Even if NCBA is doing no wrong and all the allegations are false (which I know they are not since I've seen some wrongdoings personally) - they've put themselves in the position that they are now the check-offs worst enemy...
They need to remove themselves from any contact with the Check-off that even leaves the slightest appearance of impropriety....
If NCBA doesn't voluntarily give up their current level of involvement in the
Check-off to the agreement of the other Ag/cattle groups and the USDA- the only way to get a check-off raise will be by creating a new check-off....

Sure, there might be accusations of mishandling of Beef Check-off funds--there always will be when anyone is in charge of others' money. However, if you think the NCBA is mishandling the money, just wait until the fricking government gets their sticky fingers into the pie. Then we will all have something to holler about.

Oldtimer, there are always people like yourself who whine at the least hint of indiscretion, but are plumb willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Try to look at the positive side for a change--the check-off glass is about ninety-nine percent full to overflowing. Instead, all you can see is the less than one percent that might be "empty."

If you ever wonder why everyone picks on you, just look at all your past posts from the other side of the fence, where the rest of us are standing.
 

loomixguy

Well-known member
The Fatman wants the NCBA's hands off of checkoff money, but he's all for government run healthcare. How more hypocritical can he get?

Now back to the list.....

The Fatman doesn't like thieves who aren't employed by the government. :wink:
 
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Anonymous

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Soapweed said:
Oldtimer said:
Soapweed said:
Anything that is successful, such as the present Beef Check-off, administered by the NCBA. Liberals such as Oldtimer thrive on things not working, so they can mitch and boan. Liberals are "victims" at heart, and that is the whole foundation of their existence.



Actually that one is such a falsehood I have to comment on it...
I've long been a backer of the Beef Check-off-- and felt/feel that it should be raised...
BUT that said- with all the controversy surrounding NCBA's handling of the check-off dollars/tax - I don't think it can get approval to raise it thru Congress- nor do I believe it could pass a referendum vote of all check-off payers if left in NCBA's hands... Until the CBB and the Check-off is totally removed from NCBA's hands- its bound to wallow around where it is now....
Even if NCBA is doing no wrong and all the allegations are false (which I know they are not since I've seen some wrongdoings personally) - they've put themselves in the position that they are now the check-offs worst enemy...
They need to remove themselves from any contact with the Check-off that even leaves the slightest appearance of impropriety....
If NCBA doesn't voluntarily give up their current level of involvement in the
Check-off to the agreement of the other Ag/cattle groups and the USDA- the only way to get a check-off raise will be by creating a new check-off....

Sure, there might be accusations of mishandling of Beef Check-off funds--there always will be when anyone is in charge of others' money. However, if you think the NCBA is mishandling the money, just wait until the fricking government gets their sticky fingers into the pie. Then we will all have something to holler about.

Oldtimer, there are always people like yourself who whine at the least hint of indiscretion, but are plumb willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Try to look at the positive side for a change--the check-off glass is about ninety-nine percent full to overflowing. Instead, all you can see is the less than one percent that might be "empty."

If you ever wonder why everyone picks on you, just look at all your past posts from the other side of the fence, where the rest of us are standing.

Soap- when are you and Faster Horses going to get it thru your heads that the government already is into the pie.... The Supreme Court ruled its a government program- and essentially said that the checkoff is a tax... And its USDA's job to oversee the program... Because of all the complaints and discrepencies in the audits- they are trying to solve the problem that came about when with the initial charter allowed NCBA too much control of the cookie jar...

Right now I don't care if he's a Dem or a Repub- the Ag Secretary is the one showing common sense...
1) Most agree we need a raise in the beef checkoff-
BUT 2) with all the allegations of mishandling of funds and opposition to NCBA's politic's, Congress will not pass a change in the current checkoff (with NCBA in control)- and that is the only way it can be raised under the current law...
BUT 3) a stand alone check-off could be instituted by the USDA, essentially raising the fee's- and then this checkoff would need to be voted on 3 years down the line by the producers paying the tax to determine if the producers want to keep it or not...

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing a new Beef Checkoff- much along the lines of the old one BUT with no Group/Private Entity in partnership/control of it...Have the Check-off Beef Board be a stand alone entity with no direct ties to any group- period...

And besides having the referendum vote in 3 years- have it set up where the check-off continuance needs to be voted on every 7 years after to guarantee the producers who are paying the tax still have some say in how it is being run... Also have it set up so those 7 year votes could raise (or lower) the checkoff- so we are never back in the position we are today..
 

loomixguy

Well-known member
loomixguy said:
The Fatman wants the NCBA's hands off of checkoff money, but he's all for government run healthcare. How more hypocritical can he get?

Now back to the list.....

The Fatman doesn't like thieves who aren't employed by the government. :wink:

Bump.
 
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Anonymous

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loomixguy said:
loomixguy said:
The Fatman wants the NCBA's hands off of checkoff money, but he's all for government run healthcare. How more hypocritical can he get?

Now back to the list.....

The Fatman doesn't like thieves who aren't employed by the government. :wink:

Bump.

Wrong again- never supported government run healthcare-- in fact that is the reason when Hillary proposed such in Hillarycare, I supported the Republican's alternative - the health care insurance mandate.... And I still believe its the best alternative to government health care that has so far been put forward...
 

loomixguy

Well-known member
OK, Fatman....if you don't support government run healthcare, then WTF were all the posts you made blathering and bloviating about how great and wonderful Ebolacare was going to be. By mandating that everyone have coverage, free birth control, and...wait for it...drug rehab, among lots of other crap that many folks don't need or want.....how is that not government run healthcare?

Back on topic now....

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
 
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Anonymous

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loomixguy said:
OK, Fatman....if you don't support government run healthcare, then WTF were all the posts you made blathering and bloviating about how great and wonderful Ebolacare was going to be. By mandating that everyone have coverage, free birth control, and...wait for it...drug rehab, among lots of other crap that many folks don't need or want.....how is that not government run healthcare?

Back on topic now....

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

Whatever- but if you do a little research you will find that the Obamacare mandate idea originated with Richard Nixon- was promoted by the Heritage Foundation and was the Republican alternative to nationalized health care when Hillary proposed it back in the 90's....
Some folks refuse to take personal responsibility until forced... If everyone did we would no longer need a Criminal Code or Law Enforcement of any type...

And since then I hadn't seen the Repubs come up with any serious alternative...

Since we are talking NCBA- do you believe that NCBA's joining with the USDA and packers to support the USDA's NAIS Mandatory ID where all livestock would be required to have RFID tags was an action of conservatives.... :???:

A lot of very conservative old cowboys that had long used brands, brand inspections, and signed affidavits to verify ownership and track cattle around the country walked away from NCBA over that fiasco- especially when it was revealed that the reason the NCBA had crawled in bed with the USDA was because they thought they could get into the ground floor of setting up and managing the government mandated ID system - essentially getting their hands into another government cookie jar... :roll:
 

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