Soapweed said:Anything that is successful, such as the present Beef Check-off, administered by the NCBA. Liberals such as Oldtimer thrive on things not working, so they can mitch and boan. Liberals are "victims" at heart, and that is the whole foundation of their existence.
Oldtimer said:Soapweed said:Anything that is successful, such as the present Beef Check-off, administered by the NCBA. Liberals such as Oldtimer thrive on things not working, so they can mitch and boan. Liberals are "victims" at heart, and that is the whole foundation of their existence.
Actually that one is such a falsehood I have to comment on it...
I've long been a backer of the Beef Check-off-- and felt/feel that it should be raised...
BUT that said- with all the controversy surrounding NCBA's handling of the check-off dollars/tax - I don't think it can get approval to raise it thru Congress- nor do I believe it could pass a referendum vote of all check-off payers if left in NCBA's hands... Until the CBB and the Check-off is totally removed from NCBA's hands- its bound to wallow around where it is now....
Even if NCBA is doing no wrong and all the allegations are false (which I know they are not since I've seen some wrongdoings personally) - they've put themselves in the position that they are now the check-offs worst enemy...
They need to remove themselves from any contact with the Check-off that even leaves the slightest appearance of impropriety....
If NCBA doesn't voluntarily give up their current level of involvement in the
Check-off to the agreement of the other Ag/cattle groups and the USDA- the only way to get a check-off raise will be by creating a new check-off....
Mike said:Oldtimer said:Soapweed said:Anything that is successful, such as the present Beef Check-off, administered by the NCBA. Liberals such as Oldtimer thrive on things not working, so they can mitch and boan. Liberals are "victims" at heart, and that is the whole foundation of their existence.
Actually that one is such a falsehood I have to comment on it...
I've long been a backer of the Beef Check-off-- and felt/feel that it should be raised...
BUT that said- with all the controversy surrounding NCBA's handling of the check-off dollars/tax - I don't think it can get approval to raise it thru Congress- nor do I believe it could pass a referendum vote of all check-off payers if left in NCBA's hands... Until the CBB and the Check-off is totally removed from NCBA's hands- its bound to wallow around where it is now....
Even if NCBA is doing no wrong and all the allegations are false (which I know they are not since I've seen some wrongdoings personally) - they've put themselves in the position that they are now the check-offs worst enemy...
They need to remove themselves from any contact with the Check-off that even leaves the slightest appearance of impropriety....
If NCBA doesn't voluntarily give up their current level of involvement in the
Check-off to the agreement of the other Ag/cattle groups and the USDA- the only way to get a check-off raise will be by creating a new check-off....
So......after all that you have shown that Soapweed was exactly correct. You don't like the "check-off administered by the NCBA" after all. :roll:
back to the topic of this thread:
People who won't go along with his lies.
Oldtimer said:Mike said:Oldtimer said:Actually that one is such a falsehood I have to comment on it...
I've long been a backer of the Beef Check-off-- and felt/feel that it should be raised...
BUT that said- with all the controversy surrounding NCBA's handling of the check-off dollars/tax - I don't think it can get approval to raise it thru Congress- nor do I believe it could pass a referendum vote of all check-off payers if left in NCBA's hands... Until the CBB and the Check-off is totally removed from NCBA's hands- its bound to wallow around where it is now....
Even if NCBA is doing no wrong and all the allegations are false (which I know they are not since I've seen some wrongdoings personally) - they've put themselves in the position that they are now the check-offs worst enemy...
They need to remove themselves from any contact with the Check-off that even leaves the slightest appearance of impropriety....
If NCBA doesn't voluntarily give up their current level of involvement in the
Check-off to the agreement of the other Ag/cattle groups and the USDA- the only way to get a check-off raise will be by creating a new check-off....
So......after all that you have shown that Soapweed was exactly correct. You don't like the "check-off administered by the NCBA" after all. :roll:
back to the topic of this thread:
People who won't go along with his lies.
Well if you and Soap think this is a Liberal/Conservative issue you are about as wrong as can be... Some of the biggest supporters of taking the cow tax out of the hands of a private corporate groups control (NCBA) are some of the most conservative old cowboys you'll ever find....
Faster horses said:Oldtimer said:Mike said:So......after all that you have shown that Soapweed was exactly correct. You don't like the "check-off administered by the NCBA" after all. :roll:
back to the topic of this thread:
People who won't go along with his lies.
Well if you and Soap think this is a Liberal/Conservative issue you are about as wrong as can be... Some of the biggest supporters of taking the cow tax out of the hands of a private corporate groups control (NCBA) are some of the most conservative old cowboys you'll ever find....
Those cowboys might be old, but you'll not find a conservative cowboy that wants the government into anything that has to do with a cow, or anything else for that matter.
Oldtimer said:Soapweed said:Anything that is successful, such as the present Beef Check-off, administered by the NCBA. Liberals such as Oldtimer thrive on things not working, so they can mitch and boan. Liberals are "victims" at heart, and that is the whole foundation of their existence.
Actually that one is such a falsehood I have to comment on it...
I've long been a backer of the Beef Check-off-- and felt/feel that it should be raised...
BUT that said- with all the controversy surrounding NCBA's handling of the check-off dollars/tax - I don't think it can get approval to raise it thru Congress- nor do I believe it could pass a referendum vote of all check-off payers if left in NCBA's hands... Until the CBB and the Check-off is totally removed from NCBA's hands- its bound to wallow around where it is now....
Even if NCBA is doing no wrong and all the allegations are false (which I know they are not since I've seen some wrongdoings personally) - they've put themselves in the position that they are now the check-offs worst enemy...
They need to remove themselves from any contact with the Check-off that even leaves the slightest appearance of impropriety....
If NCBA doesn't voluntarily give up their current level of involvement in the
Check-off to the agreement of the other Ag/cattle groups and the USDA- the only way to get a check-off raise will be by creating a new check-off....
Soapweed said:Oldtimer said:Soapweed said:Anything that is successful, such as the present Beef Check-off, administered by the NCBA. Liberals such as Oldtimer thrive on things not working, so they can mitch and boan. Liberals are "victims" at heart, and that is the whole foundation of their existence.
Actually that one is such a falsehood I have to comment on it...
I've long been a backer of the Beef Check-off-- and felt/feel that it should be raised...
BUT that said- with all the controversy surrounding NCBA's handling of the check-off dollars/tax - I don't think it can get approval to raise it thru Congress- nor do I believe it could pass a referendum vote of all check-off payers if left in NCBA's hands... Until the CBB and the Check-off is totally removed from NCBA's hands- its bound to wallow around where it is now....
Even if NCBA is doing no wrong and all the allegations are false (which I know they are not since I've seen some wrongdoings personally) - they've put themselves in the position that they are now the check-offs worst enemy...
They need to remove themselves from any contact with the Check-off that even leaves the slightest appearance of impropriety....
If NCBA doesn't voluntarily give up their current level of involvement in the
Check-off to the agreement of the other Ag/cattle groups and the USDA- the only way to get a check-off raise will be by creating a new check-off....
Sure, there might be accusations of mishandling of Beef Check-off funds--there always will be when anyone is in charge of others' money. However, if you think the NCBA is mishandling the money, just wait until the fricking government gets their sticky fingers into the pie. Then we will all have something to holler about.
Oldtimer, there are always people like yourself who whine at the least hint of indiscretion, but are plumb willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Try to look at the positive side for a change--the check-off glass is about ninety-nine percent full to overflowing. Instead, all you can see is the less than one percent that might be "empty."
If you ever wonder why everyone picks on you, just look at all your past posts from the other side of the fence, where the rest of us are standing.
loomixguy said:The Fatman wants the NCBA's hands off of checkoff money, but he's all for government run healthcare. How more hypocritical can he get?
Now back to the list.....
The Fatman doesn't like thieves who aren't employed by the government. :wink:
loomixguy said:loomixguy said:The Fatman wants the NCBA's hands off of checkoff money, but he's all for government run healthcare. How more hypocritical can he get?
Now back to the list.....
The Fatman doesn't like thieves who aren't employed by the government. :wink:
Bump.
loomixguy said:OK, Fatman....if you don't support government run healthcare, then WTF were all the posts you made blathering and bloviating about how great and wonderful Ebolacare was going to be. By mandating that everyone have coverage, free birth control, and...wait for it...drug rehab, among lots of other crap that many folks don't need or want.....how is that not government run healthcare?
Back on topic now....
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.