Soapweed said:
Tam said:
Larrry said:
The only reason any rational person can see is that this regime wants to completely transform this country into something that it was NEVER INTENDED to be.
You mean a Oppressive Corrupt Dictatorship like those the US Military has been fighting in other countries for years.
Just look who Obama has been chummy with and look at his actions of sidestepping the Congress and appointing radicals to his Administration and Sueing States for standing up and wanting US laws enforced. You have to know he is wanting to TRANSFORM the US into a TRUE Dictatorship under His rule. He is getting away with it as his blind supporters like Oldtimer will not open their eyes and see what he is doing. All they see is him blaming the Republicans for the mess and cheering him on as he is NOT BIG BAD BUSH. I just hope the koolaid wears off before everyone in the US is on their hands and knees kissing the ground Obama walks on and the Secret Service is replaced by the billyclub wheeling New Black Panthers .
What in the world will it take for people like Oldtimer to wake the heck up to what is going on? I was traveling last evening, trying to find a good radio station that was talking about anything else but the Super Bowl. Finally I tuned in the Mark Levin talk show. One of his callers admitted that he had been a far left Liberal for over thirty years, but had now awakened to see the light. How can someone like Oldtimer, who at one time was somewhat conservative, buy in to the way Obama is ruining this country? It is friggin' flaberdisgasting to say the least.
So Soap- will you remind me of how much GW did to block illegals? This issue steamrolled under that administration- especially when he ordered the banking industry to no longer check for citizenship when making loans for real estate..
Remember when he used a "signing statement" to allow his transportation Dept to go around 2 Congressional laws to allow Mexican truckers access to drive thruout the country? When US truckers were going bankrupt....His claim was the law violated NAFTA...
Right now according to Immigration and Border Patrol- they have more agents on the border than they ever have had- have more interventions and are deporting more people...They need 1,000's more on the border and many more immigration judges and courts - but that will cost a lot of money- which means more taxes...
As far as the enforcement of the Immigration issue- I agree with both Bush and Obama that immigration- and deportation is a federal authority/law- by the Constitution- and not enforceable by the individual states- mainly because it is an international issue which the federal government has authority over...
Its not something new that just came up under Bush or Obama...In all the years I spent in L.E.- local authorities had no real authority over illegal immigrants...If you had probable cause to believe someone was an illegal you notified Border Patrol/Immigration...If you had one in custody- and another charge to hold them on you did- otherwise often the Border Patrol would just tell you to release them- and they would follow up when they got a chance...Then often when Border Patrol did verify they were illegals they would just write them a Notice to Appear in Court 3 months from now...This happened- usually after about 6 months into their budget- because they were out of transportation money to deport them... :roll:
One part I believe states should be allowed to do- is make strict laws and penalties against anyone caught employeeing an illegal alien...Heavy fines and Jail time- doubling and tripling with each repeat offense......That part I do believe the state has authority over- and if strongly enforced would stop much of the problem...
But then you are no longer talking about picking up some poor broke wetback and jailing them- but are talking about arresting CEO's, business owners, farmers , ranchers,-- and everyone seems to want to shy from that....To me these are the ones that continue to create the problem...
Even the US Chamber of Commerce has crawled in bed with the ACLU opposing the E-Verify law... The Chamber and several other business and corporate groups were the ones testifying in the last immigration hearings that they need MORE immigrant labor.....