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Rural White Voters Having Trouble Understanding the Election


Older, male, white voters are having a lot of trouble understanding the election results. They and everyone they knew just assumed that the country would never re-elect a tax-and-spend liberal. Fox News told them this was impossible. Now reality is beginning to kick in--things have changed and are not likely to go back to the way they used to be. They are also flummoxed by the voters accepting same-sex marriage and legalization of marijuana in some states. Many of them see the country as Mitt Romney does, with makers and takers and the takers are taking over.

This is a fundamentally different situation than in the past. Then, a loss was just a loss--maybe the other side had a better candidate or ran a better campaign. Even after George McGovern and Michael Dukakis' massive defeats, Democrats didn't think this was the end of the America that had always known. It was simply a lost election and they could try again in 4 years. The difference now is probably that way back when, everyone watched one of the three television networks and read the same newspapers. Now it is possible to live entirely in a bubble of your own choosing and simply have no idea of what is really going on in the country. Someone who watches only Fox News and listens to talk radio and reads redstate.com on the Internet is going to be completely detached from reality, so an election result like this comes completely out of the blue for them. For Democrats, this is not true. Someone who watches only MSNBC, reads the New York Times and follows Websites like Huffington Post, Talking Points Memo, and Daily Kos, knew that it would be a fairly close election but that Obama and the Democrats had a small, but consistent, lead. The electoral vote predictors at all those places as well as here were pretty close to the final result. The new reality is that when you hide in a virtual cave of your own making, emerging out into the sunshine can be frightening.


Boy this author must read ranchers.net political bull-- because he just described 95% of their posters... Living in a bubble and hidin in a virtual cave of their own making.... :p :lol: :( :(
 

hopalong

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Oldtimer said:
Rural White Voters Having Trouble Understanding the Election


Older, male, white voters are having a lot of trouble understanding the election results. They and everyone they knew just assumed that the country would never re-elect a tax-and-spend liberal. Fox News told them this was impossible. Now reality is beginning to kick in--things have changed and are not likely to go back to the way they used to be. They are also flummoxed by the voters accepting same-sex marriage and legalization of marijuana in some states. Many of them see the country as Mitt Romney does, with makers and takers and the takers are taking over.

This is a fundamentally different situation than in the past. Then, a loss was just a loss--maybe the other side had a better candidate or ran a better campaign. Even after George McGovern and Michael Dukakis' massive defeats, Democrats didn't think this was the end of the America that had always known. It was simply a lost election and they could try again in 4 years. The difference now is probably that way back when, everyone watched one of the three television networks and read the same newspapers. Now it is possible to live entirely in a bubble of your own choosing and simply have no idea of what is really going on in the country. Someone who watches only Fox News and listens to talk radio and reads redstate.com on the Internet is going to be completely detached from reality, so an election result like this comes completely out of the blue for them. For Democrats, this is not true. Someone who watches only MSNBC, reads the New York Times and follows Websites like Huffington Post, Talking Points Memo, and Daily Kos, knew that it would be a fairly close election but that Obama and the Democrats had a small, but consistent, lead. The electoral vote predictors at all those places as well as here were pretty close to the final result. The new reality is that when you hide in a virtual cave of your own making, emerging out into the sunshine can be frightening.


Boy this author must read ranchers.net political bull-- because he just described 95% of their posters... Living in a bubble and hidin in a virtual cave of their own making.... :p :lol: :( :(

Looks to me more like he described you more than the rest of the ranchers....The cave you live in is not fit for man or beast, much less your family :D :D
 

Soapweed

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Oldtimer said:
Rural White Voters Having Trouble Understanding the Election


Older, male, white voters are having a lot of trouble understanding the election results. They and everyone they knew just assumed that the country would never re-elect a tax-and-spend liberal. Fox News told them this was impossible. Now reality is beginning to kick in--things have changed and are not likely to go back to the way they used to be. They are also flummoxed by the voters accepting same-sex marriage and legalization of marijuana in some states. Many of them see the country as Mitt Romney does, with makers and takers and the takers are taking over.

This is a fundamentally different situation than in the past. Then, a loss was just a loss--maybe the other side had a better candidate or ran a better campaign. Even after George McGovern and Michael Dukakis' massive defeats, Democrats didn't think this was the end of the America that had always known. It was simply a lost election and they could try again in 4 years. The difference now is probably that way back when, everyone watched one of the three television networks and read the same newspapers. Now it is possible to live entirely in a bubble of your own choosing and simply have no idea of what is really going on in the country. Someone who watches only Fox News and listens to talk radio and reads redstate.com on the Internet is going to be completely detached from reality, so an election result like this comes completely out of the blue for them. For Democrats, this is not true. Someone who watches only MSNBC, reads the New York Times and follows Websites like Huffington Post, Talking Points Memo, and Daily Kos, knew that it would be a fairly close election but that Obama and the Democrats had a small, but consistent, lead. The electoral vote predictors at all those places as well as here were pretty close to the final result. The new reality is that when you hide in a virtual cave of your own making, emerging out into the sunshine can be frightening.


Boy this author must read ranchers.net political bull-- because he just described 95% of their posters... Living in a bubble and hidin in a virtual cave of their own making.... :p :lol: :( :(

Just because we don't like it doesn't mean we don't understand it.

Even your own county didn't vote as you did. Does that mean you are the smartest man in Valley County, Montana, or are you just a legend in your own mind?
 

TexasBred

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Oldtimer said:
Boy this author must read ranchers.net political bull-- because he just described 95% of their posters... Living in a bubble and hidin in a virtual cave of their own making.... :p :lol: :( :(

OT it will be a cold day in he!! when I consider sex with a man, legal dope, abortion on demand, open borders and 100% government support as the "new normal". You appear to have already swallowed it, hook, line and sinker.
 
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Soapweed said:
Oldtimer said:
Rural White Voters Having Trouble Understanding the Election


Older, male, white voters are having a lot of trouble understanding the election results. They and everyone they knew just assumed that the country would never re-elect a tax-and-spend liberal. Fox News told them this was impossible. Now reality is beginning to kick in--things have changed and are not likely to go back to the way they used to be. They are also flummoxed by the voters accepting same-sex marriage and legalization of marijuana in some states. Many of them see the country as Mitt Romney does, with makers and takers and the takers are taking over.

This is a fundamentally different situation than in the past. Then, a loss was just a loss--maybe the other side had a better candidate or ran a better campaign. Even after George McGovern and Michael Dukakis' massive defeats, Democrats didn't think this was the end of the America that had always known. It was simply a lost election and they could try again in 4 years. The difference now is probably that way back when, everyone watched one of the three television networks and read the same newspapers. Now it is possible to live entirely in a bubble of your own choosing and simply have no idea of what is really going on in the country. Someone who watches only Fox News and listens to talk radio and reads redstate.com on the Internet is going to be completely detached from reality, so an election result like this comes completely out of the blue for them. For Democrats, this is not true. Someone who watches only MSNBC, reads the New York Times and follows Websites like Huffington Post, Talking Points Memo, and Daily Kos, knew that it would be a fairly close election but that Obama and the Democrats had a small, but consistent, lead. The electoral vote predictors at all those places as well as here were pretty close to the final result. The new reality is that when you hide in a virtual cave of your own making, emerging out into the sunshine can be frightening.


Boy this author must read ranchers.net political bull-- because he just described 95% of their posters... Living in a bubble and hidin in a virtual cave of their own making.... :p :lol: :( :(

Just because we don't like it doesn't mean we don't understand it.

Even your own county didn't vote as you did. Does that mean you are the smartest man in Valley County, Montana, or are you just a legend in your own mind?


things have changed and are not likely to go back to the way they used to be.

I think Kola explained it quite well in her post---No matter how bad you (or I )want to go back to the 1950's- Leave it to Beaver and the Fonz-- it ain't going to happen !!!

And as long as folks keep listening only to the Hannitys, O'Reilly's, and Rushs that make Millions $ yearly preaching to the choir spouting what their following want to hear they are going to be left in the lurchs- and waking up on election day surprised and perplexed...
Hopefully some of the Republican Party -after both 08 and 12- are realizing that...

But you have to have the willingness to look beyond those who make Millions telling you what you want to hear-- and look to those that are putting out all sides of the story...

And nope Soap- I'm not the smartest man in the county- and I think only 7% voted the same as me - but it didn't take any genius to see that Obama was probably going to win- and that several of the Tea Party nutjob candidates around the country were going to lose...
And I knew that because I look to other sources- and look at the broad picture coming in from several directions- not just what Beck or Hannity says :roll: ...
And I don't fear opposing opinions like so many on here do-- that ran off all who dared to post an idea that didn't fit the far rightwing norm as preached by some of the puppet handlers... :( :(
 

Traveler

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I wonder who's going to be b-tching and screaming when the pot full of goodies finally runs out. We're not on a sustainable path by any stretch of the imagination.
 

Steve

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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/stay-calm-conservatives-here-are-the-biggest-democrat-freak-outs-from-bushs-2004-re-election-victory/

DNC Chairman Howard Dean said this in an article published directly after the election:

“I’m not confident that the election in Ohio was fairly decided… We know that there was substantial voter suppression, and the machines were not reliable. It should not be a surprise that the Republicans are willing to do things that are unethical to manipulate elections. That’s what we suspect has happened.”


obert Kennedy declared in a HUGE Rolling Stone article entitled “Was the 2004 Election Stolen?”:

“The mounting evidence that Republicans employed broad, methodical and illegal tactics in the 2004 election should raise serious alarms among news organizations.”


Congressman John Conyers blamed a media cover-up that shielded the people from being “up in arms”:

”We’ve got a media that uses its bullhorn in reverse — to turn down the volume on this outrage rather than turning it up. That’s why our citizens are not up in arms.”


Even Democratic Presidential candidate John Kerry got in on it:

”I think there are clearly states where it is questionable whether everybody’s vote is being counted, whether everybody is being given the opportunity to register and to vote. ’There are clearly barriers in too many places to the ability of people to exercise their full franchise. For that to be happening in the United States of America today is disgraceful.”


and that was from party leaders.. who lived in a cave back in the old days... :?
 

Whitewing

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Oldtroll said:
I think Kola explained it quite well in her post---No matter how bad you (or I )want to go back to the 1950's- Leave it to Beaver and the Fonz-- it ain't going to happen !!!

Hmmm, aren't you the same wind bag though who's been deriding others for not having principles, sticking to what they believe, and fighting for it?

If I was a cynic, which I'm not................

And please, don't try to give yourself cover with the (or I) comment. You're as happy as a pig in slop with the new welfare state that the US is most surely becoming.

Oldtroll said:
And I don't fear opposing opinions like so many on here do-- that ran off all who dared to post an idea that didn't fit the far rightwing norm as preached by some of the puppet handlers.

You don't fear opposing opinions? Wow, what a surprise. Aren't you the same old bag of wind who went into hysterics when I showed up here....calling me a liar and insulting me my first day I posted in the political forum? Yeah, a real open-minded fellow you are.
 

Larrry

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Hey ot it isn't that the rural people have trouble understanding the election, it is that the leftwingernuts have trouble understand the grassroots and rural America. it would be as if they were living in a cave and oblivious to thingsa going on in this word....or to stupid to understand it.
 

hopalong

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Larrry said:
Hey ot it isn't that the rural people have trouble understanding the election, it is that the leftwingernuts have trouble understand the grassroots and rural America. it would be as if they were living in a cave and oblivious to thingsa going on in this word....or to stupid to understand it.


Like i said it is oldtimer that is living in a cave and i feel sorry for Bobbie having to put up with his sorry a$$,,,she is a sweety and deserves a lot better,,
 

Larrry

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hop, you are right and it is sad.


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Mike

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hypocritexposer said:
where did you get that article OT? some NY Yankee forum.

http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=ml-yankees&tid=510378

http://electoral-vote.com/


An extremely liberal website rag.
 

hypocritexposer

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OT must like those lobbyists, especially the "greenie weenie NIMBYs". I bet living in the Netherlands, he's really got a feel for what the rural folks are thinking. :lol:


Tanenbaum served as a lobbyist for the Sierra Club

He moved to the Netherlands to live with his wife, who is Dutch

Andrew Stuart "Andy" Tanenbaum (sometimes referred to by the handle ast)[1] (born March 16, 1944) is an American computer scientist and professor of computer science at the Vrije Universiteit, Amsterdam in the Netherlands.
 
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Mike said:
hypocritexposer said:
where did you get that article OT? some NY Yankee forum.

http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=ml-yankees&tid=510378

http://electoral-vote.com/


An extremely liberal website rag.

Actually the article was written by a Libertarian that predicted right to the T what the results of the election was--- doing a whole lot better than the FOX boys that either were telling their followers what they wanted to hear (so they could stuff their pockets a little more) -- or else have not the slightest idea of whats going on in the real world :wink: :roll: :lol: ....

http://electoral-vote.com/
 

Soapweed

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Oldtimer said:
No matter how bad you (or I )want to go back to the 1950's- Leave it to Beaver and the Fonz-- it ain't going to happen !!!

Oldtimer said:
Actually the article was written by a Libertarian that predicted right to the T what the results of the election was--- doing a whole lot better than the FOX boys that either were telling their followers what they wanted to hear (so they could stuff their pockets a little more) -- or else have not the slightest idea of whats going on in the real world :wink: :roll: :lol: ....

http://electoral-vote.com/

For someone who "claims" you would like to go back to how it was in the 1950's, you certainly take a lot of delight in the pathetic way this election ended.
 

loomixguy

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Soap, there are certain folks the Old Windbag wants to ensure keep getting all the government welfare and freebies our money will provide. :roll: :roll:


And I ain't talking about him, personally. :wink:
 
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Soapweed said:
Oldtimer said:
No matter how bad you (or I )want to go back to the 1950's- Leave it to Beaver and the Fonz-- it ain't going to happen !!!

Oldtimer said:
Actually the article was written by a Libertarian that predicted right to the T what the results of the election was--- doing a whole lot better than the FOX boys that either were telling their followers what they wanted to hear (so they could stuff their pockets a little more) -- or else have not the slightest idea of whats going on in the real world :wink: :roll: :lol: ....

http://electoral-vote.com/

For someone who "claims" you would like to go back to how it was in the 1950's, you certainly take a lot of delight in the pathetic way this election ended.

The only delight I take is in the I TOLD YOU SO-- that you all would not believe...

I remember all the rants and the raves and personal attacks that everyone here made against me when I said that these rightwingernut fruitcake candidates weren't going to win (too radical right) -- or when I predicted that Romneys flip flopping all over the political spectrum had left so many folks questioning where he stood that Obama was going to win... I thought Tam was going to have a stroke or aneurysm during her rants and raves just trying to chastise me (I'm glad she took an electoral reprieve :wink: )...


We live in a new globalist world where you can be half way around the world in 12 hours- and news happening anyway around the world is being shown live on TV- millions of dollars can be transferred from your account to anywhere in the world in minutes, all handled by some Indian telephone operator working for some German bank, etc., etc... And the beliefs/cultures/mores of the world are ever more influencing those of the US...

WE ARE NOT GOING TO EVER AGAIN SEE THE 50'S, 60'S, 70'S, ETC... WE HAVE TO MOVE ON INTO THE 21st CENTURY AND MOVE FORWARD...
 

Hereford76

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Oldtimer said:
Soapweed said:
Oldtimer said:
No matter how bad you (or I )want to go back to the 1950's- Leave it to Beaver and the Fonz-- it ain't going to happen !!!

Oldtimer said:
Actually the article was written by a Libertarian that predicted right to the T what the results of the election was--- doing a whole lot better than the FOX boys that either were telling their followers what they wanted to hear (so they could stuff their pockets a little more) -- or else have not the slightest idea of whats going on in the real world :wink: :roll: :lol: ....

http://electoral-vote.com/

For someone who "claims" you would like to go back to how it was in the 1950's, you certainly take a lot of delight in the pathetic way this election ended.

The only delight I take is in the I TOLD YOU SO-- that you all would not believe...

I remember all the rants and the raves and personal attacks that everyone here made against me when I said that these rightwingernut fruitcake candidates weren't going to win (too radical right) -- or when I predicted that Romneys flip flopping all over the political spectrum had left so many folks questioning where he stood that Obama was going to win... I thought Tam was going to have a stroke or aneurysm during her rants and raves just trying to chastise me (I'm glad she took an electoral reprieve :wink: )...


We live in a new globalist world where you can be half way around the world in 12 hours- and news happening anyway around the world is being shown live on TV- millions of dollars can be transferred from your account to anywhere in the world in minutes, all handled by some Indian telephone operator working for some German bank, etc., etc... And the beliefs/cultures/mores of the world are ever more influencing those of the US...

WE ARE NOT GOING TO EVER AGAIN SEE THE 50'S, 60'S, 70'S, ETC... WE HAVE TO MOVE ON INTO THE 21st CENTURY AND MOVE FORWARD...

gulp!
 
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