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LJ, OT are boring tonight...

hypocritexposer

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...always willing to discuss, untill it gets down to the brass tacks.



...but they sure can call someone names, eh? I guess that's what they are known for...
 
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Anonymous

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I've told you a hundred times- I don't play "what if" games... Especially when I come on here and a dozen questions are pointed right at me... Stalking?

Put out your question to the public- and if I have the time, have knowledge of the subject, and feel like answering I will- if not I won't... No matter how loud you whine or how much you stalk with repeated personal directed questions...

As for littlejoe- that's up to him too... From what I read so far, I get the feeling he has much the same impression of your tactics..
 

Tam

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Larrry said:
ot claiming stalking......thats a good one ot
Joke of the year on here

Yep Stalking is now asking to many question in hope to get an honest debate going when the liberal doesn't care to answer the questions. :roll:

Just how many more definition of Stalking will Oldtimer come up with while denying what he is doing is CREEPY STALKING. :wink:
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
I've told you a hundred times- I don't play "what if" games... Especially when I come on here and a dozen questions are pointed right at me... Stalking?

Put out your question to the public- and if I have the time, have knowledge of the subject, and feel like answering I will- if not I won't... No matter how loud you whine or how much you stalk with repeated personal directed questions...

As for littlejoe- that's up to him too... From what I read so far, I get the feeling he has much the same impression of your tactics..

Tactics? I've asked a few questions. Easily answered questions, if you had any principles.

You can't honestly answer the questions I have asked, because they will expose you as a partisan hack.

You chose not to answer, that was answer enough.
 
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hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
I've told you a hundred times- I don't play "what if" games... Especially when I come on here and a dozen questions are pointed right at me... Stalking?

Put out your question to the public- and if I have the time, have knowledge of the subject, and feel like answering I will- if not I won't... No matter how loud you whine or how much you stalk with repeated personal directed questions...

As for littlejoe- that's up to him too... From what I read so far, I get the feeling he has much the same impression of your tactics..

Tactics? I've asked a few questions. Easily answered questions, if you had any principles.

You can't honestly answer the questions I have asked, because they will expose you as a partisan hack.

You chose not to answer, that was answer enough.

Sorry- I'm not like you, Larrrry , hopscotch, and a few others -- I don't know everything about everything... You "experts" don't believe any idea or opinion that doesn't match your own anyway- so why ask :???:
 

Larrry

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Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
I've told you a hundred times- I don't play "what if" games... Especially when I come on here and a dozen questions are pointed right at me... Stalking?

Put out your question to the public- and if I have the time, have knowledge of the subject, and feel like answering I will- if not I won't... No matter how loud you whine or how much you stalk with repeated personal directed questions...

As for littlejoe- that's up to him too... From what I read so far, I get the feeling he has much the same impression of your tactics..

Tactics? I've asked a few questions. Easily answered questions, if you had any principles.

You can't honestly answer the questions I have asked, because they will expose you as a partisan hack.

You chose not to answer, that was answer enough.

Sorry- I'm not like you, Larrrry , hopscotch, and a few others -- I don't know everything about everything... You "experts" don't believe any idea or opinion that doesn't match your own anyway- so why ask :???:

Thank goodness we aren't like you. Thanks for the compliment
As a matter of fact there aren't many like you
Probably you and obama are running neck and neck on your lies
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
I've told you a hundred times- I don't play "what if" games... Especially when I come on here and a dozen questions are pointed right at me... Stalking?

Put out your question to the public- and if I have the time, have knowledge of the subject, and feel like answering I will- if not I won't... No matter how loud you whine or how much you stalk with repeated personal directed questions...

As for littlejoe- that's up to him too... From what I read so far, I get the feeling he has much the same impression of your tactics..

Tactics? I've asked a few questions. Easily answered questions, if you had any principles.

You can't honestly answer the questions I have asked, because they will expose you as a partisan hack.

You chose not to answer, that was answer enough.

Sorry- I'm not like you, Larrrry , hopscotch, and a few others -- I don't know everything about everything... You "experts" don't believe any idea or opinion that doesn't match your own anyway- so why ask :???:

Wow now that is the pot calling the kettle black :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:

BTW Oldtimer when has not being an expert on something stopped you from LYING about a issue?
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
I've told you a hundred times- I don't play "what if" games... Especially when I come on here and a dozen questions are pointed right at me... Stalking?

Put out your question to the public- and if I have the time, have knowledge of the subject, and feel like answering I will- if not I won't... No matter how loud you whine or how much you stalk with repeated personal directed questions...

As for littlejoe- that's up to him too... From what I read so far, I get the feeling he has much the same impression of your tactics..

Tactics? I've asked a few questions. Easily answered questions, if you had any principles.

You can't honestly answer the questions I have asked, because they will expose you as a partisan hack.

You chose not to answer, that was answer enough.

Sorry- I'm not like you, Larrrry , hopscotch, and a few others -- I don't know everything about everything... You "experts" don't believe any idea or opinion that doesn't match your own anyway- so why ask :???:

Oh NO, he's once again associated me with others, that should shut me up. You're not a real quick learner, are you?

I may not be an expert, but I can see a biased/partisan hack, when they preent themselves.

The Republicans damaged the economy by shutting down the government to the tune of $24 B, but natural disasters help the economy, by increasing spending.

No, you are the expert.
 
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hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
Tactics? I've asked a few questions. Easily answered questions, if you had any principles.

You can't honestly answer the questions I have asked, because they will expose you as a partisan hack.

You chose not to answer, that was answer enough.

Sorry- I'm not like you, Larrrry , hopscotch, and a few others -- I don't know everything about everything... You "experts" don't believe any idea or opinion that doesn't match your own anyway- so why ask :???:



The Republicans damaged the economy by shutting down the government to the tune of $24 B, but natural disasters help the economy, by increasing spending.




The Costs of the Government Shutdown

By Shushannah Walshe


Oct 17, 2013 12:23am

The 16-day government shutdown is over, but the country has taken at least a $24 billion hit along the way.

The financial ratings agency Standard & Poor’s said Wednesday the shutdown “to date has taken $24 billion out of the economy,” equaling $1.5 billion dollars a day and “shaved at least 0.6 percent off annualized fourth-quarter 2013 GDP growth.”

These estimates are for the overall economy, taking into account not just federal wages and productivity, but all the ripple effects and costs as well.

Not what I said... I deferred to the "real" experts- and that is what they say...

But I'm sure we will now here how all these people are bought out- and with the Tam's of the world everything is a huge conspiracy to get her- and if it happened during this Administration it must be part of a plot to take over the world by the you fill in the blank (Muslims, Blacks, Latinos, Homos, Hari Krishnas, etc. , etc., etc.) .....
 

hopalong

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Seek professional help oldtimer,,, your paranoia is destroying you,,, Add to that your delusion of grandeur has you foaming at the mouth.... Seek help oldtimer please for your families sake...
 

Steve

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It was the economy and not the actual cost of shutting down the government

Either way do you ever wonder how the press came up with that number?

The White House estimates that a one-week shutdown could cost the US economy $10 billion


Lost wages of Federal employees will amount to about $1 billion a week
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_government_shutdown_of_2013

These estimates are subject to error and uncertainty. Overall, most forecasters believe that the effects of the shutdown on the economy will be small relative to the overall economy because it ended after 2½ weeks, it only affected a subset of federal spending, and it generally delayed rather than eliminated federal spending.
https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43292.pdf

so in other words we don't know what the effect would be if it didn't shut down.. some would predict that would have a negative effect on the economy..

so in reality it was JUST a guess...



but lets look at some facts..



At the end of 2013, the economy was growing at a moderate 2.4% pace. There was some cool-down from the unexpectedly strong third quarter: Businesses finished adding to inventories for the time being, and previously hot sectors of residential and commercial construction cooled off, at least partly due to worse-than-normal weather.
Read more at http://www.kiplinger.com/tool/business/T019-S000-kiplinger-s-economic-outlooks/#dvtOL2BCzpJ8MC2M.99

makes you wonder how much of the "cost" was due to the shutdown.?



now taking a look back .. and looking forward..
But there are indications of further momentum headed into 2014: Consumption in the fourth quarter of 2013, for example, grew the most in nearly two years and exports surged.

Small job gains in recent months -- 84,000 in December and 129,000 in January -- were likely the result of special factors. All three months, for example, saw severe snowstorms, ice storms and cold that exceeded the norm. Although people absent from work are still counted as employed, severe weather inhibits hiring as business and retail traffic slows. Health care hiring -- a stalwart in recent years, typically about 30,000 a month -- slowed to a gain of just 2,000 in December, 6,000 in January and 10,000 in February. Hospital employment has declined by 10,000 since December. We chalk much of that up to uncertainty over the impact of Obamacare,

so it all wasn't about the shut down..
 

Larrry

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hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
Not what I said... I deferred to the "real" experts- and that is what they say...

But I'm sure we will now here how all these people are bought out- and with the Tam's of the world everything is a huge conspiracy to get her- and if it happened during this Administration it must be part of a plot to take over the world by the you fill in the blank (Muslims, Blacks, Latinos, Homos, Hari Krishnas, etc. , etc., etc.) .....


Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
BUT why should Obama compromise he was re-elected. :? :roll:

Correct re-elected on his record and platform-- and he had the Senate's backing... Cruz's dog and pony show tactic may have been acceptable IF he ever stood a chance of winning...But he didn't as he was told up front before hand they would not agree to those demands...And he didn't have the power to influence any bargaining with...

By closing down the government- and costing the economy 24+ Billion taxpayer $ makes it look like he thinks more of his own personal showboating then he does of the good of the country...His tactic may appeal to the rightwing extremists- but I think it cooks his goose for a national election...


Is all government spending good OT? If you cut out the gazillions of waste, would you be a rightwing extremist, because you have hurt economic growth?
 

Tam

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hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
Not what I said... I deferred to the "real" experts- and that is what they say...

But I'm sure we will now here how all these people are bought out- and with the Tam's of the world everything is a huge conspiracy to get her- and if it happened during this Administration it must be part of a plot to take over the world by the you fill in the blank (Muslims, Blacks, Latinos, Homos, Hari Krishnas, etc. , etc., etc.) .....


Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
BUT why should Obama compromise he was re-elected. :? :roll:

Correct re-elected on his record and platform-- and he had the Senate's backing... Cruz's dog and pony show tactic may have been acceptable IF he ever stood a chance of winning...But he didn't as he was told up front before hand they would not agree to those demands...And he didn't have the power to influence any bargaining with...

By closing down the government- and costing the economy 24+ Billion taxpayer $ makes it look like he thinks more of his own personal showboating then he does of the good of the country...His tactic may appeal to the rightwing extremists- but I think it cooks his goose for a national election...


Is all government spending good OT? If you cut out the gazillions of waste, would you be a rightwing extremist, because you have hurt economic growth?

No it would and has made him a LEFTWINGNUT RADICAL as he would cut it all from the Military that has the Constitutional job of protecting his azz from those that hate the US and he would use those funds to prop up, food stamp programs so surfer dudes can see lobster, unemployment benefits because his hero killed millions of jobs with the much hated Obamacare LAW OF THE LAND and he would subsidize millions of people Obamacare LAW OF THE LAND healthcare premiums so they can quit their jobs to take up their life long dream of being a sofa sitter. :roll:
 

hypocritexposer

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yep, you are correct Tam...my point was that a leftie like OT will look at all government cut as a detriment to the economy automatically, without investigating any further, the "quality of spending"

He believes the $24B amount, without even qualifying where that figure comes from, when the estimate was generated etc.

And as a progressive, he will accuse others of what he himself is guilty of.
 
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