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Lobbyist Owned- Lock, Stock, and Barrel

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Tiptoe, through the Lobbyists

Saturday, May 10, 2008
John McCain claims to be a fighter for ethics reform, but yesterday, Doug Goodyear, the man that John McCain picked to run the Republican National Convention, resigned from that post. Goodyear is CEO of lobbying firm DCI Group that has earned millions lobbying for ExxonMobil, GM, and others. But the reason he resigned is that the cyclone disaster in Myanmar has inconveniently brought to light the fact that the DCI Group was paid $348,000 to run a public relations campaign for the military dictatorship of Myanmar to (among other things) denounce claims by the Bush administration that the regime engaged in rape and other abuses.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gmKnv87pTl8kotSQmjZIeNBsH6UwD90J1K581

Unfortunately, Doug Davenport, the the DCI Group person in charge of lobbying, who was directly responsible for the Myanmar PR campaign, is still a regional director for the McCain presidential campaign.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/05/an_optics_problem_for_mccain.php

This whole mess is on top of the recent disclosure that at least three of McCain’s top advisors are lobbyists who were successful this February in getting a $35 billion military contract awarded to European plane maker Airbus, bypassing American plane manufacturer Boeing and thus costing the US tens of thousands of jobs. And McCain himself personally intervened to switch the contract from Boeing to Airbus.
http://www.jedreport.com/2008/03/mccain-top-advi.html

Is all this any surprise when McCain’s campaign is full of lobbyists, including his campaign manager Rick Davis?
 

hopalong

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Kinda like one of your heros!


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September 6, 2007, 4:57 pm
Clinton Supporter Arrested in N.J. Corruption Sting
By Patrick Healy

Update: Blake Zeff, a spokesman for the Clinton campaign, just e-mailed to say that Mayor Rivera stepped down from Mrs. Clinton’s Mayors Council today.
Among the 11 public officials arrested in an F.B.I. corruption sting in New Jersey today was a leading Democratic supporter of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s presidential campaign in that state, Mayor Samuel Rivera of Passaic.
It was the latest legal embarrassment involving an ally of the Clinton campaign, coming only one day after a wealthy Clinton donor, Norman Hsu, missed his court date in a California fraud case and apparently disappeared.
Clinton advisers this spring and summer have been aggressively touting their long list of endorsements from elected officials and prominent Democratic donors, to indicate the breadth of establishment support that Mrs. Clinton enjoys. Yet, in the case of Mr. Hsu and now Mayor Rivera, the criminal allegations indicate a cost that can come with quickly rounding up political support from far and wide.
The Clinton campaign has severed ties with Mr. Hsu; as for Mayor Rivera, he remains a member of Mrs. Clinton’s Mayors Council as of this afternoon, but a campaign spokesman said that the charges were “serious” and will be monitored closely.
According to the criminal complaint filed in Federal District Court, Mayor Rivera allegedly promised to deliver a majority of votes on the Passaic City Council to steer city insurance brokerage business to a dummy company set up by the F.B.I.
Federal agents posing as company executives offered a $50,000 payment to Mr. Rivera in return for the business, according to the complaint; Mr. Rivera allegedly accepted an initial installment of $5,000.
Mr. Rivera, according to a transcript of secretly recorded conversations laid out in the complaint, boasted profanely of essentially controlling the seven-member city council. He said that securing a four-vote majority would be “easy, easy, easy,” and, at another point, said the deal was as good as done.
“I make the [expletive] decision. And the council. And believe me, I’ve got the four [expletive] votes on the Council. So let’s stop [expletive], and let’s get this thing rolling,” Mr. Rivera said, according to the complaint.
Mr. Rivera is one of about 100 members of Mrs. Clinton’s Mayors Council, which, according to a campaign press release in July, “will advise the campaign on policy and outreach.”
When Mr. Zeff was asked this afternoon about Mr. Rivera’s status with the campaign he replied, “These are serious charges and as the process moves forward we will be monitoring them closely.”
The 11 officials, who also included two Democratic state assemblymen, are scheduled to appear in Federal District Court in Trenton this afternoon
 

hopalong

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Don't forget this one when pointing fingers about dishonesty!!

Hillary's biggest fundraiser is ARRESTED. This crook also raises funds for other Democrats!

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Now to those who cannot recall how Bill Clinton sold U.S. ICBM missle technology to the Chinese Government back in 1996, we now get another glimpse of the corrupt and devious Clinton world.

A shady Chinese megadonor to Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign has close ties to an aerospace mogul accused of placing his business interests before national security by sharing missile secrets with Beijing during the Clinton administration.

During the last Clinton campaign of 1996, the People's Liberation Army launched a massive campaign to buy influence in the Democratic Party and steer military hardware and technology Beijing's way.

Reports by federal investigators say the PLA used a host of Chinese agents living in the U.S. as bagmen to funnel cash to the Clinton-Gore campaigns and gain access to the White House and sensitive government agencies.

In 1998, in the course of plea bargaining with the Justice Department, a Chinese bagman by the name of Johnny Chung confessed that at least $100,000 of his contributions to the DNC and the Clinton-Gore campaign had come from a Chinese aerospace executive – a lieutenant colonel in the Chinese military – who had given him $300,000. It was the same Chaoying involved with Loral, who happened to also be the daughter of the PLA's top general and a key member of China's Communist Party leadership.

Chung later told prosecutors that the $300,000 had been ordered into his bank account by the head of Chinese military intelligence, whom he said he met through the lieutenant colonel.

During the 1996 election cycle, Chung was a regular White House visitor. All told, he visited 57 times. During one visit to the first lady's office, he handed Hillary Clinton's chief of staff a check for $50,000. Three days earlier, he had received a $150,000 wire transfer from the Bank of China.

Hillary Clinton posed for a White House photo with Chung and two Chinese officials, and later penned a personal note on a print of the photo for Chung: "To Johnny Chung with best wishes and appreciation – Hillary Rodham Clinton."



We now have one MORE of many scandals yet to unfold in the Clinton campaign.

When Norman Hsu turned himself in to authorities yesterday, I'm sure Hillary Clinton wasn't smiling.

Well, Hillary was smiling when this crook gave Hillary $850,000!! (see below how happy Hillary is at this money-launderer)



I doubt that others with Hsu's money in their campaign coffers, like Barack Obama, Bill Richardson, John Kerry, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, Mary Landrieu and Al Franken, were happy. Add the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee to the list, too.

It's not good to have a campaign donor turn himself in on a grand theft charge, appear in court, be handcuffed, and held on $2 million bail. Then, there's also that annoying FBI investigation into Hsu's campaign donations.
 
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Yep Ol Twoface (or is it 4 or 5 :???: :wink: :lol: )- oops I mean Hoppy or are you into cartoon Characters today :???: Knowing how you want to be so open and transparent- and fair and balanced- I thought I'd help you...You forgot one... :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:

McCain Pushed Land Swap That Benefits Backer

By Matthew Mosk
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 9, 2008; Page A01

PRESCOTT, Ariz. -- Sen. John McCain championed legislation that will let an Arizona rancher trade remote grassland and ponderosa pine forest here for acres of valuable federally owned property that is ready for development, a land swap that now stands to directly benefit one of his top presidential campaign fundraisers.

Initially reluctant to support the swap, the Arizona Republican became a key figure in pushing the deal through Congress after the rancher and his partners hired lobbyists that included McCain's 1992 Senate campaign manager, two of his former Senate staff members (one of whom has returned as his chief of staff), and an Arizona insider who was a major McCain donor and is now bundling campaign checks.

When McCain's legislation passed in November 2005, the ranch owner gave the job of building as many as 12,000 homes to SunCor Development, a firm in Tempe, Ariz., run by Steven A. Betts, a longtime McCain supporter who has raised more than $100,000 for the presumptive Republican nominee. Betts said he and McCain never discussed the deal.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/08/AR2008050803494.html?hpid=topnews


And since associates, association with, and endorsement by seems so important to your measurement of people- heres another one...You must have been too busy figuring out which of the tv characters you were at the minute- and never noticed when I posted them before-eh :???: :wink: :lol: :lol:

A candidate's radical extremist friend
by: Jay Stevens
Mon May 05, 2008 at 11:59:57 AM MDT



A major presidential candidate associates with a supporter who is unapologetic about his past political extremism. The supporter even spent jail time for felonious activities related to his ideology; burgled; planned a murder of a media critic; proposed kidnapping members of opposition movements; advocated killing federal agents; and had as a childhood hero an authoritarian dictator who murdered millions.
Name that candidate! Name that supporter!














John McCain and G. Gordon Liddy!

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How close are McCain and Liddy?...In 1998, Liddy's home was the site of a McCain fundraiser. Over the years, he has made at least four contributions totaling $5,000 to the senator's campaigns-including $1,000 this year. 
Last November, McCain went on his radio show. Liddy greeted him as "an old friend," and McCain sounded like one. "I'm proud of you, I'm proud of your family," he gushed. "It's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great."

Does that mean McCain admires the "principles" of domestic terror that G. Gordon Liddy engaged in, back in the 1970s?

I know, stupid question. But as long as the media's asking around after associates of presidential candidates, I guess it's germane somehow...
 

hopalong

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Heck I would think with all your contacts with the FBI/CIA and all the SECRET meetings you have with them about national problems you could come up with some real DIRT!
Or are you too busy trying to impress your buddys at the local water hole, OPPPS you cannot impress them they already know you for what you are!!!
You are a whiner, and that is one of your good points, OPPPS that is your only GOOD point! :D :D :D
Speaking of cartoons, you make me laugh you are such a sorry old grumpy man, probabally got that way when you were spending all that time in the legislator or was it the senate, I forget which it was you were bragging about in another forum, the same on you threateoned to contact one of your FRIENDS/CONTACTS in the fbe to investigate someone who opposed something you said! :roll: :roll: :roll:
Or are you just bitter you only got to serve one term as sherriff in that one horse county you was sherriff in!
:D :D :D
Go take your pills old whiner, "you know the ones that help your wife tolerate you!"

Oh I am disappointed in you, two posts and you failed to use your new found word of the year!! :roll: :roll: :roll:

edited to add last sentence!
 
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Lets see- we figured out you have been snoopy, queeksdraw, hopalong cowboy, maandpa,---today your paranoia must have your inner self thinking you are Old Grumpy.... :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

hopalong

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Poor old whiner, I am picking on him so i guess i should be listening for the sound of a black helicopter and the knock on my door when he sends all his contacts to pick me up, or do they only use the black helicopter to transport you to them :secret: meetings? :help:
Take your meds old timer, so you wife and kids can tolerate you. :D :D :D
You are so much fun
 

CattleArmy

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Oldtimer said:
Lets see- we figured out you have been snoopy, queeksdraw, hopalong cowboy, maandpa,---today your paranoia must have your inner self thinking you are Old Grumpy.... :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Ignore it and it might go away. Or possibly get yet another new name but come back respectable.
 
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hopalong said:
Poor old whiner, I am picking on him so i guess i should be listening for the sound of a black helicopter and the knock on my door when he sends all his contacts to pick me up, or do they only use the black helicopter to transport you to them :secret: meetings? :help:
Take your meds old timer, so you wife and kids can tolerate you. :D :D :D
You are so much fun

Its not me that has had to hide under a dozen or so false identities in order to just tolerate yourself...

I'm who I am- But I don't think even you know who the H you are :???: :wink: :lol: :p
 

hopalong

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Oh I know who I am and I also know what you are!!
And every post you make I gain more identities by your count! :roll: :roll:
 
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Hoppy- in your rants against me in order to change the subject-while you tried to figure out your identity :p -- Did you remember to read these articles about your cultist Parties chosen Knight in Rusting Armor :???: :wink: :lol:


McCain Pushed Land Swap That Benefits Backer

By Matthew Mosk
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 9, 2008; Page A01

PRESCOTT, Ariz. -- Sen. John McCain championed legislation that will let an Arizona rancher trade remote grassland and ponderosa pine forest here for acres of valuable federally owned property that is ready for development, a land swap that now stands to directly benefit one of his top presidential campaign fundraisers.

Initially reluctant to support the swap, the Arizona Republican became a key figure in pushing the deal through Congress after the rancher and his partners hired lobbyists that included McCain's 1992 Senate campaign manager, two of his former Senate staff members (one of whom has returned as his chief of staff), and an Arizona insider who was a major McCain donor and is now bundling campaign checks.

When McCain's legislation passed in November 2005, the ranch owner gave the job of building as many as 12,000 homes to SunCor Development, a firm in Tempe, Ariz., run by Steven A. Betts, a longtime McCain supporter who has raised more than $100,000 for the presumptive Republican nominee. Betts said he and McCain never discussed the deal.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/08/AR2008050803494.html?hpid=topnews


And since associates, association with, and endorsement by seems so important to your measurement of people- heres another one...

A candidate's radical extremist friend
by: Jay Stevens
Mon May 05, 2008 at 11:59:57 AM MDT



A major presidential candidate associates with a supporter who is unapologetic about his past political extremism. The supporter even spent jail time for felonious activities related to his ideology; burgled; planned a murder of a media critic; proposed kidnapping members of opposition movements; advocated killing federal agents; and had as a childhood hero an authoritarian dictator who murdered millions.
Name that candidate! Name that supporter!



















John McCain and G. Gordon Liddy!

Code:
How close are McCain and Liddy?...In 1998, Liddy's home was the site of a McCain fundraiser. Over the years, he has made at least four contributions totaling $5,000 to the senator's campaigns-including $1,000 this year. 
Last November, McCain went on his radio show. Liddy greeted him as "an old friend," and McCain sounded like one. "I'm proud of you, I'm proud of your family," he gushed. "It's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great."

Does that mean McCain admires the "principles" of domestic terror that G. Gordon Liddy engaged in, back in the 1970s?

I know, stupid question. But as long as the media's asking around after associates of presidential candidates, I guess it's germane somehow...
 

aplusmnt

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OT I understand why you do not like McCain, I am not overly fond of him either. But tell me why is it that you like Hillary and Obama so much?

You have chose on here to go after McCain every chance you get, but rarely Hillary and Never Obama that I can remember.

If you are so Knowledgeable of all these political going ons why is it you have no complaints or voice them on these other candidates.

Is it you are up to your eyeballs in Liberal Kool-Aid and truly do not see the good and bad in all candidates? Are you really that unbalanced?
 
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aplusmnt said:
OT I understand why you do not like McCain, I am not overly fond of him either. But tell me why is it that you like Hillary and Obama so much?

I flat out despise Hillary- she and McCain are just two lifetime lying politicians- that have screwed and used anybody to try and fulfill their ego trip to the ultimate power....I can't feel as deeply against Obama- since he doesn't have a 40+ year careers of corruption/ and sell out in D.C. politics like the others do- nor does he seem to have the huge lobbyist ties and ties to every Corporate entity in the world.....
You have chose on here to go after McCain every chance you get, but rarely Hillary and Never Obama that I can remember.

Look and you shall see- I've put numerous posts about Hillary's antics and tactics up.....

If you are so Knowledgeable of all these political going ons why is it you have no complaints or voice them on these other candidates.

Is it you are up to your eyeballs in Liberal Kool-Aid and truly do not see the good and bad in all candidates? Are you really that unbalanced?

I think all 3 candidates are not good- but that the country needs a drastic change from the direction GW has put it....We've all ready had a Clinton for 8 years- and don't need any more years of them....We've already had almost 12 years of Bush's and don't need any more of them with McCain playing Bush III- and an especially angry/grumpy old one with one foot in the grave, his finger on the nuclear button, and his other foot on a banana peel- as he sings "BOMB. BOMB. BOMB IRAN" in his squeaky old voice...Scarey scenerio....Hillary echos 8 more years of Bill- McCain echos 8 more years (or however long he lives-or the country can exist) of Bush....Neither would bring the change in direction that is needed...

That leaves Obama as the only other viable candidate- which scares the racists and Corporate world, due to his mixed race- and lack of ties to/sellout to the Corporate lobbyists and Corporate money like McCain and Clinton have.....
I really don't like him- but he has one endearing quality... He is young, and is new to D.C. and has less ties to the corruption of the Congress/lobbyists/D.C. world....And he is not entrenched into either partys deep folds...He is overly Liberal- but its going to take some Liberal years to just get our country back on a Constitutional shared power base that GW tried to turn into a form of Corporatist Oligarchy (Nazism) and a whole lot of bipartisan statesmanship/leadership- which Hillary and McCain have had years to do- and didn't do it- always putting their personal political goals/agenda ahead of the countries....
Will I vote for him--- :???: --- need to see how things play out- who the Libertarians stick up- who Obama's VP is....I would think of voting for an Obama/Webb ticket- since Webb is one of those with the military background that provided some much needed oversight to GW- and caught him/Cheney/Rumsfeld in many of their fallacies....
I'm also waiting to see who the Libertarians and the Constitutionalists put up....I voted for Perot before, because he was the best person- and I may have to go 3rd party in order to do that again....
 

hopalong

Well-known member
CattleArmy said:
Oldtimer said:
Lets see- we figured out you have been snoopy, queeksdraw, hopalong cowboy, maandpa,---today your paranoia must have your inner self thinking you are Old Grumpy.... :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Ignore it and it might go away. Or possibly get yet another new name but come back respectable.

In your own words BLAH BLAH BLAH. :D :D :D
Now I am done with this post for it is not woerth my time any longer!!
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
aplusmnt said:
OT I understand why you do not like McCain, I am not overly fond of him either. But tell me why is it that you like Hillary and Obama so much?

I flat out despise Hillary- she and McCain are just two lifetime lying politicians- that have screwed and used anybody to try and fulfill their ego trip to the ultimate power....I can't feel as deeply against Obama- since he doesn't have a 40+ year careers of corruption/ and sell out in D.C. politics like the others do- nor does he seem to have the huge lobbyist ties and ties to every Corporate entity in the world.....
You have chose on here to go after McCain every chance you get, but rarely Hillary and Never Obama that I can remember.

Look and you shall see- I've put numerous posts about Hillary's antics and tactics up.....

If you are so Knowledgeable of all these political going ons why is it you have no complaints or voice them on these other candidates.

Is it you are up to your eyeballs in Liberal Kool-Aid and truly do not see the good and bad in all candidates? Are you really that unbalanced?

I think all 3 candidates are not good- but that the country needs a drastic change from the direction GW has put it....We've all ready had a Clinton for 8 years- and don't need any more years of them....We've already had almost 12 years of Bush's and don't need any more of them with McCain playing Bush III- and an especially angry/grumpy old one with one foot in the grave, his finger on the nuclear button, and his other foot on a banana peel- as he sings "BOMB. BOMB. BOMB IRAN" in his squeaky old voice...Scarey scenerio....Hillary echos 8 more years of Bill- McCain echos 8 more years (or however long he lives-or the country can exist) of Bush....Neither would bring the change in direction that is needed...

That leaves Obama as the only other viable candidate- which scares the racists and Corporate world, due to his mixed race- and lack of ties to/sellout to the Corporate lobbyists and Corporate money like McCain and Clinton have.....
I really don't like him- but he has one endearing quality... He is young, and is new to D.C. and has less ties to the corruption of the Congress/lobbyists/D.C. world....And he is not entrenched into either partys deep folds...He is overly Liberal- but its going to take some Liberal years to just get our country back on a Constitutional shared power base that GW tried to turn into a form of Corporatist Oligarchy (Nazism) and a whole lot of bipartisan statesmanship/leadership- which Hillary and McCain have had years to do- and didn't do it- always putting their personal political goals/agenda ahead of the countries....
Will I vote for him--- :???: --- need to see how things play out- who the Libertarians stick up- who Obama's VP is....I would think of voting for an Obama/Webb ticket- since Webb is one of those with the military background that provided some much needed oversight to GW- and caught him/Cheney/Rumsfeld in many of their fallacies....
I'm also waiting to see who the Libertarians and the Constitutionalists put up....I voted for Perot before, because he was the best person- and I may have to go 3rd party in order to do that again....

Correct me if I am wrong, but seems I have seen you say on here that you are conservative in many issues, just not a neocon? Do you consider yourself to be a liberal?

If you are not a liberal, would it not kill you to vote for the most liberal person running for president and maybe ever? Obama does not have a long record in Washington, but if you look at what he does have including his record in Ill you can no doubt see just how far left he is!

And corruption is not a virgin ideal to him, he has skeletons and he has some pretty nasty ones at that.

I think you are just a one issue voter, and don't care how bad of an affect a candidate may have in 20 different areas as long as your candidate is anti Iraq you will vote for them.
 
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aplusmnt said:
Oldtimer said:
aplusmnt said:
OT I understand why you do not like McCain, I am not overly fond of him either. But tell me why is it that you like Hillary and Obama so much?

I flat out despise Hillary- she and McCain are just two lifetime lying politicians- that have screwed and used anybody to try and fulfill their ego trip to the ultimate power....I can't feel as deeply against Obama- since he doesn't have a 40+ year careers of corruption/ and sell out in D.C. politics like the others do- nor does he seem to have the huge lobbyist ties and ties to every Corporate entity in the world.....
You have chose on here to go after McCain every chance you get, but rarely Hillary and Never Obama that I can remember.

Look and you shall see- I've put numerous posts about Hillary's antics and tactics up.....

If you are so Knowledgeable of all these political going ons why is it you have no complaints or voice them on these other candidates.

Is it you are up to your eyeballs in Liberal Kool-Aid and truly do not see the good and bad in all candidates? Are you really that unbalanced?

I think all 3 candidates are not good- but that the country needs a drastic change from the direction GW has put it....We've all ready had a Clinton for 8 years- and don't need any more years of them....We've already had almost 12 years of Bush's and don't need any more of them with McCain playing Bush III- and an especially angry/grumpy old one with one foot in the grave, his finger on the nuclear button, and his other foot on a banana peel- as he sings "BOMB. BOMB. BOMB IRAN" in his squeaky old voice...Scarey scenerio....Hillary echos 8 more years of Bill- McCain echos 8 more years (or however long he lives-or the country can exist) of Bush....Neither would bring the change in direction that is needed...

That leaves Obama as the only other viable candidate- which scares the racists and Corporate world, due to his mixed race- and lack of ties to/sellout to the Corporate lobbyists and Corporate money like McCain and Clinton have.....
I really don't like him- but he has one endearing quality... He is young, and is new to D.C. and has less ties to the corruption of the Congress/lobbyists/D.C. world....And he is not entrenched into either partys deep folds...He is overly Liberal- but its going to take some Liberal years to just get our country back on a Constitutional shared power base that GW tried to turn into a form of Corporatist Oligarchy (Nazism) and a whole lot of bipartisan statesmanship/leadership- which Hillary and McCain have had years to do- and didn't do it- always putting their personal political goals/agenda ahead of the countries....
Will I vote for him--- :???: --- need to see how things play out- who the Libertarians stick up- who Obama's VP is....I would think of voting for an Obama/Webb ticket- since Webb is one of those with the military background that provided some much needed oversight to GW- and caught him/Cheney/Rumsfeld in many of their fallacies....
I'm also waiting to see who the Libertarians and the Constitutionalists put up....I voted for Perot before, because he was the best person- and I may have to go 3rd party in order to do that again....

Correct me if I am wrong, but seems I have seen you say on here that you are conservative in many issues, just not a neocon? Do you consider yourself to be a liberal?

If you are not a liberal, would it not kill you to vote for the most liberal person running for president and maybe ever? Obama does not have a long record in Washington, but if you look at what he does have including his record in Ill you can no doubt see just how far left he is!

And corruption is not a virgin ideal to him, he has skeletons and he has some pretty nasty ones at that.

I think you are just a one issue voter, and don't care how bad of an affect a candidate may have in 20 different areas as long as your candidate is anti Iraq you will vote for them.

I've often said-I'm Independent- conservative on many issues- moderate sometimes- and lean toward the Liberal side on some-especially when they side with my Libertarian views that government shouldn't be in bedrooms- or making decisions about what someone wants to do with their own bodies - abortion, doctor assisted mercy suicide, etc.....Those are decisions to be left to be made between the doctor, the person and their family, and their God......

There is no conservatives in the race- and I fear the neocon sell out of our country to the world more than I do the Liberal stance since the Liberals lean much more Libertarian on many of these issues- like no nation building- warmongering- arming Arab states so that tomorrow they can use the weapons against us, etc. etc....
Liberals believe in taxing and rebuilding the US- neocons believe in borrowing (and leaving the debt for our grandkids) and conquering and rebuilding the world...I'd rather have my taxpayer money spent my own country....
Affordable Health Care and Insurance is important to me- just like it was to GW Bush during his campaign- which he forgot once he got in office, like most of the promises he made....

The economy/national debt is very important to me- and the rule of the neocons and King George have almost imploded our economy- while setting up our kids and grandkids to spend their lifetimes paying off his debt....I don't think the country can handle 4 or 8 more years of that...

I don't want 8 more years of Bush- which so far is all McCain is promising- or 8 more years of Bill Clinton, which is all Hillary is promising...Good old dirty rotten corrupt politics as usual.....I want some CHANGE......

Corruption is a big deal to me- and so far I've seen nothing Obama has done that can compare to Hillary's and McCains 40 years of practicing it--going back to Hillary's Arkansas Tyson days and McCains Keating Five scandal--both of which should have disqualified them from holding public office...I'm sure Obama has some dealings- but it would take truckloads to catch up to the other two crooks....

Just like here in Montana- when it was shown our Montana Senator- who I had supported previously (and even had a couple toddies with)- was an out an out crook I voted for an unknown Democrat- Jon Tester....And while he isn't setting the world on fire- he is plugging away doing his job- squelching little fires- and I don't have to read about another Montana Senator's scandal in the papers anymore.....

If we keep re-electing these crooks and idiots just because they have an (R) or (D) by their name- we can never expect to have any chance of cleaning up D.C.
 

aplusmnt

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I can agree with a lot of what you say, but I believe all the politicians are corrupt and Obama is no different he is just newer at it.

But the policies they may pass and the judges they may appoint mean more to me. Looking for the less corrupt politician in a room is like looking for the most virgin woman at a brothel, it is a mute point.

I don't even think Iraq is big of an issue, because I think they all three will end up staying, because the alternative will hurt America, how forceful the stay may be in question.

But when looking at Obama and what his morals and views, I would even rather have Hillary than him. And I use to think Hillary was the top of my list of never wanting to see as President.

If I had to vote for Hillary or Obama, I would vote for Hillary and then go home and shower the stink off of me (much like I imagine Texan did).

I think Obama is the worse possible choice of the three, and that is saying a lot! But thank goodness Obama will not win!
 
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But the policies they may pass and the judges they may appoint mean more to me. Looking for the less corrupt politician in a room is like looking for the most virgin woman at a brothel, it is a mute point.

My belief is that over the past 15-20 years BOTH parties have went overboard on nitpicking Judges- and questioning Judges on their political views (handpicking judicial rulings ) - in hopes of finding someone that will follow only their beliefs- which has hurt the choices of Judges selected (or even willing to be nominated) and almost crippled the Courts with the failure to get good honest COMPETENT Judges appointed.....

I watched a hearing the other day- where Arlen Spector was having a fit over a recent Bush nominee to the Federal Court of Appeals that he claimed had been fasttracked thru and that he had not had enough time to study (nitpick) her decisions....

Senator Leahy set him back in his seat-took the wind out of his political sails- and p*ssed him off so bad he walked out of the hearing and had to be drug back by Leahy- after Leahy told him she has only been waiting for confirmation for 14 years :shock: As she was first nominated by Clinton 14 years ago- and who's nomination has been stonewalled by the Repubs since- but who has been an elected serving Judge for 27 years in the City (Detroit), State, and State Court of appeals....
These folks have to start accepting these Judges that the people have chosen- without nitpicking each little issue and how they would or would not decide each issue...
Each case and issue should stand independent on its own- and the only issue coming before these politicians should be getting Judges that are morally and ethically upstanding and that have the experience to handle the job.....
 
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