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Manitoba cow is "atypical"

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I thought I had heard last week that the Manitoba cow was "atypical"-- now the CFIA is confirming it...How long are we going to allow this disease to be shipped and spread around the world- especially when they have no clues on what causes or how this strain is spread? As these tests are refined and developed, how many more strains will be discovered?

Looks to me like another good reason to keep quarantines on all live cattle movements- until they get some transmission answers....[/
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Investigation Overview
Canada has confirmed its sixth case of BSE. The five previous cases of BSE found in Canada were characterised as being similar to the majority of the BSE cases found around the world; however, this sixth case is a less prevalent strain of BSE which has also been reported in Europe and in the U.S.

With refinement and advancement in diagnostic test methods, scientists have only very recently demonstrated the existence of more than one strain of BSE, although multiple strains are known to occur in both human (CJD) and sheep (scrapie) prion diseases.

This less prevalent BSE strain is more difficult to detect and affects mainly older animals. Of the more than 200,000 BSE cases recorded worldwide, less than 100 are known to have been infected with different BSE strains. There is some speculation that the discovery of these different strains came to light as a result of the enhanced BSE surveillance programs occurring worldwide.
 
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Big Muddy rancher said:
Do you remember how old this cow was?

Something like 16- altho thats not certain as they don't have a birth farm to confirm it...

She'd probably be one of those old slaughter cows being shipped to a US slaughter house if the border was open under the Final rule- and, if tested at slaughter, would have been pinned on the US as another US case... :wink: I remember the billions $ lost by the Canadian origin cow showing up at the Washington plant....

I think each country should keep their own live cattle in their own herds for awhile, until they have some better answers to what is causing this spread- and what is causing Canada's feedban failure and the Canadian strain to get more potent and prevalent rather than decreasing....
 

mwj

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Oldtimer said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Do you remember how old this cow was?

Something like 16- altho thats not certain as they don't have a birth farm to confirm it...

She'd probably be one of those old slaughter cows being shipped to a US slaughter house if the border was open under the Final rule- and, if tested at slaughter, would have been pinned on the US as another US case... :wink: I remember the billions $ lost by the Canadian origin cow showing up at the Washington plant....

I think each country should keep their own live cattle in their own herds for awhile, until they have some better answers to what is causing this spread- and what is causing Canada's feedban failure and the Canadian strain to get more potent and prevalent rather than decreasing....

It didn't help a whole lot when the meat from that cow went into the food supply :x That sure showed the world that we were the top of our safety game. You sure do have one heck of a case of selective memory when you start stirring the pot :shock:
 
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mwj said:
Oldtimer said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Do you remember how old this cow was?

Something like 16- altho thats not certain as they don't have a birth farm to confirm it...

She'd probably be one of those old slaughter cows being shipped to a US slaughter house if the border was open under the Final rule- and, if tested at slaughter, would have been pinned on the US as another US case... :wink: I remember the billions $ lost by the Canadian origin cow showing up at the Washington plant....

I think each country should keep their own live cattle in their own herds for awhile, until they have some better answers to what is causing this spread- and what is causing Canada's feedban failure and the Canadian strain to get more potent and prevalent rather than decreasing....

It didn't help a whole lot when the meat from that cow went into the food supply :x

Since Canada does not test all at slaughter either-- How many of those old cows that are just manifesting the disease are being slaughtered in a country with 40X-50X-100X- ?X the risk and are also slipping into the food supply :???: ... You don't think consumers are becoming aware of this- and the fact that unlabeled Canadian beef is being shipped into the US and sold as generic US beef---especially lately with these Mad Cow of the month annoucements showing up...
 

Tam

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Gee Oldtimer where was all this concern when it was a TEXAS cow and a ALABAMA COW found? I remember a comment to the tune of There is not interest in these cases as are Pre Feed ban. Now that Canada has one, we have to ban all these cattle until answers are found. If the US industry had cared enough to demand definitive answers about your two cases instead of ignoring them and diverting attention by demanding answers of ours JUST MAYBE YOU WOULD HAVE ANSWERS TO SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS. But as USUAL you will demand answers of Canada and claim your beef to still be the safest in the world even though you HAVE NO ANSWER TO WHERE YOURS COMES FROM. :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
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Tam said:
Gee Oldtimer where was all this concern when it was a TEXAS cow and a ALABAMA COW found? I remember a comment to the tune of There is not interest in these cases as are Pre Feed ban. Now that Canada has one, we have to ban all these cattle until answers are found. If the US industry had cared enough to demand definitive answers about your two cases instead of ignoring them and diverting attention by demanding answers of ours JUST MAYBE YOU WOULD HAVE ANSWERS TO SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS. But as USUAL you will demand answers of Canada and claim your beef to still be the safest in the world even though you HAVE NO ANSWER TO WHERE YOURS COMES FROM. :roll: :roll: :roll:

But Tam- we don't have the Mad Cow of the Month announcements coming out of the US -- We don't have a risk rate that I believe is several 100 times higher than our neighboring countries- altho without open and transparent information from the USDA/CFIA its hard to discern- and we have seen from past history that they want no oversight from impartial Judges...

Tam- Do you have no concerns about this "atypical"- since they have little or no idea how the diseases is transmitted, manifests itself, or why it even exists :???:

Or do you just take what is appearing to be the Canadian outlook-- "As long as the border is reopened and the bucks are rolling into our checking accounts- We don't care if its spread all over the world ....Don't worry about tommorrow- live for today only..." :wink:


What happened to Canada's great belief in quarantines? You thought they were good when you quarantined ALL US cattle for the past 12+ years :wink:
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
mwj said:
Oldtimer said:
Something like 16- altho thats not certain as they don't have a birth farm to confirm it...

She'd probably be one of those old slaughter cows being shipped to a US slaughter house if the border was open under the Final rule- and, if tested at slaughter, would have been pinned on the US as another US case... :wink: I remember the billions $ lost by the Canadian origin cow showing up at the Washington plant....

I think each country should keep their own live cattle in their own herds for awhile, until they have some better answers to what is causing this spread- and what is causing Canada's feedban failure and the Canadian strain to get more potent and prevalent rather than decreasing....

It didn't help a whole lot when the meat from that cow went into the food supply :x

Since Canada does not test all at slaughter either-- How many of those old cows that are just manifesting the disease are being slaughtered in a country with 40X-50X-100X- ?X the risk and are also slipping into the food supply :???: ... You don't think consumers are becoming aware of this- and the fact that unlabeled Canadian beef is being shipped into the US and sold as generic US beef---especially lately with these Mad Cow of the month annoucements showing up...

Oldtimer Any Old cull cow being shipped to the US for slaughter would have to have three things AT LEAST. One being a CCIA TAG in her ear which is a CANADIAN CATTLE IDENTIFCATION Tag, second thing being a C-A-N- brand on her side which stands for CANADA Oldtimer. The Third thing she would have to have is a HEALTH INSPECTION. Now if she was healthy enough to pass that health inspection WHY WOULD THE USDA BE TESING HER AT SLAUGHTER DAYS LATER?????? :? Were they not told to test the High risk catagory of cattle? How high risk is an animal that just days before passed a CFIA AND USDA HEALTH INSPECTION? Maybe this is why the USDA CAN"T FIND BSE IN YOUR HERD. :wink:
And Oldtimer if she does test positive would the CCIA tag and the C-A-N Brand she carries across the border not tell the inspectors that she was not from the US? :shock:

If the US did have to pay it would probably be more like they mis-handled the animal in the slaughtering process and her SRM's where processed in to animal feed instead of being disposed of PROPERLY!!!!!!

Last Oldtimer Canada does not test all slaughter cattle because most know the test is NOT FOR FOOD SAFETY. WE removed the SRM's from ALL slaughter cattle just like every other affected country in the world INCLUDING THE US. :roll:
 
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Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
mwj said:
It didn't help a whole lot when the meat from that cow went into the food supply :x

Since Canada does not test all at slaughter either-- How many of those old cows that are just manifesting the disease are being slaughtered in a country with 40X-50X-100X- ?X the risk and are also slipping into the food supply :???: ... You don't think consumers are becoming aware of this- and the fact that unlabeled Canadian beef is being shipped into the US and sold as generic US beef---especially lately with these Mad Cow of the month annoucements showing up...

Oldtimer Any Old cull cow being shipped to the US for slaughter would have to have three things AT LEAST. One being a CCIA TAG in her ear which is a CANADIAN CATTLE IDENTIFCATION Tag, second thing being a C-A-N- brand on her side which stands for CANADA Oldtimer. The Third thing she would have to have is a HEALTH INSPECTION. Now if she was healthy enough to pass that health inspection WHY WOULD THE USDA BE TESING HER AT SLAUGHTER DAYS LATER?????? :? Were they not told to test the High risk catagory of cattle? How high risk is an animal that just days before passed a CFIA AND USDA HEALTH INSPECTION? Maybe this is why the USDA CAN"T FIND BSE IN YOUR HERD. :wink:
And Oldtimer if she does test positive would the CCIA tag and the C-A-N Brand she carries across the border not tell the inspectors that she was not from the US? :shock:

Tam- The Washington cow had an eartag too---But it still took the USDA 2 weeks to figure it out and announce it and cost the US producer Billions $- all the while putting the US cattle herd and US consumer at further risk...

No- I think it would be just better for all concerned to keep their own in their own backyard- especially now with the lack of knowledge on these "atypicals"....


If the US did have to pay it would probably be more like they mis-handled the animal in the slaughtering process and her SRM's where processed in to animal feed instead of being disposed of PROPERLY!!!!!!

Last Oldtimer Canada does not test all slaughter cattle because most know the test is NOT FOR FOOD SAFETY. WE removed the SRM's from ALL slaughter cattle just like every other affected country in the world INCLUDING THE US. :roll:
 

Sandhusker

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Tam, lets consider Canada's last BSE positive - the 4 year old; Do you think that if she was shipped a couple of months before she was identified that we would of found her?
 
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Sandhusker said:
Tam, lets consider Canada's last BSE positive - the 4 year old; Do you think that if she was shipped a couple of months before she was identified that we would of found her?

Sandhusker- The question I hear many asking lately is- that if this 50 month old cow could have been so severely infected to be in full blown staggering manifestation of the disease, how many under thirty months being sent from Canada are in some stage of final manifestation (no visible symptoms) of the disease when they are being slaughtered in the US :???:

And how much more risk does that put on the US cattle herd and the US consumer with the SRM disposal, feedban loopholes, and cross contamination of slaughtering equipment?
 

PORKER

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The SRM's removal is a sham. Since we all know the tissue ,blood, urine, of a pre diseased BSE animal has pirons scattered in lesser quanitys throught the slaughtered animal and removing the highest concentrations in SRM's just sounds good for public assurances of national politics.
 

frenchie

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Sandhusker said:
Sandhusker said:
Tam, lets consider Canada's last BSE positive - the 4 year old; Do you think that if she was shipped a couple of months before she was identified that we would of found her?


:shock: Kinda of funny how you all but admit now that the U.S testing program Is a sham :shock:
 

Sandhusker

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frenchie said:
Sandhusker said:
Sandhusker said:
Tam, lets consider Canada's last BSE positive - the 4 year old; Do you think that if she was shipped a couple of months before she was identified that we would of found her?


:shock: Kinda of funny how you all but admit now that the U.S testing program Is a sham :shock:

I've never bragged on it.
 

Tam

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Sandhusker said:
Tam, lets consider Canada's last BSE positive - the 4 year old; Do you think that if she was shipped a couple of months before she was identified that we would of found her?

If she was slaughter in Canada her SRM's would have been removed and that according to World known science is what makes the meat safe not the Test . Wouldn't they have been removed properly in the US Sandhusker?
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
Tam, lets consider Canada's last BSE positive - the 4 year old; Do you think that if she was shipped a couple of months before she was identified that we would of found her?

Sandhusker- The question I hear many asking lately is- that if this 50 month old cow could have been so severely infected to be in full blown staggering manifestation of the disease, how many under thirty months being sent from Canada are in some stage of final manifestation (no visible symptoms) of the disease when they are being slaughtered in the US :???:

And how much more risk does that put on the US cattle herd and the US consumer with the SRM disposal, feedban loopholes, and cross contamination of slaughtering equipment?

Gee here I thought Leo said you had firewalls in place to protect the consumers from BSE if it was ever found in the US. You two are not doing Leo's credibility any good with this talk of SRM removal and disposal problems and feedban loopholes and cross contamination of slaughtering equipment. :wink: I would think if those firewalls that Leo spoke so highly of could protect from the ones the USDA misses they surely can protect from the few that will slip by the health inspectors that will be inspecting Canadian cattle before they leave Canada and again at the border while crossing the border and the one that will be inspecting them again when they are unloaded at the slaughter plant. :roll:

You two are to much. any reason to keep this border closed no matter what message it sends to consumers. :roll:
 

Sandhusker

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Tam said:
Sandhusker said:
Tam, lets consider Canada's last BSE positive - the 4 year old; Do you think that if she was shipped a couple of months before she was identified that we would of found her?

If she was slaughter in Canada her SRM's would have been removed and that according to World known science is what makes the meat safe not the Test . Wouldn't they have been removed properly in the US Sandhusker?

You didn't answer the question, Tam. I asked about her being shipped down here, not being slaughtered up there. I didn't think my question was that hard to understand. Want to try again?
 
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