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passin thru

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Mr. Murtha's Rush to Judgment

Sunday, May 28, 2006; B06



A year ago I was charged with two counts of premeditated murder and with other war crimes related to my service in Iraq. My wife and mother sat in a Camp Lejeune courtroom for five days while prosecutors painted me as a monster; then autopsy evidence blew their case out of the water, and the Marine Corps dropped all charges against me ["Marine Officer Cleared in Killing of Two Iraqis," news story, May 27, 2005].

So I know something about rushing to judgment, which is why I am so disturbed by the remarks of Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.) regarding the Haditha incident ["Death Toll Rises in Haditha Attack, GOP Leader Says," news story, May 20]. Mr. Murtha said, "Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them, and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood."

In the United States, we have a civil and military court system that relies on an investigatory and judicial process to make determinations based on evidence. The system is not served by such grand pronouncements of horror and guilt without the accuser even having read the investigative report.

Mr. Murtha's position is particularly suspect when he is quoted by news services as saying that the strain of deployment "has caused them [the Marines] to crack in situations like this." Not only is he certain of the Marines' guilt but he claims to know the cause, which he conveniently attributes to a policy he opposes.

Members of the U.S. military serving in Iraq need more than Mr. Murtha's pseudo-sympathy. They need leaders to stand with them even in the hardest of times. Let the courts decide if these Marines are guilty. They haven't even been charged with a crime yet, so it is premature to presume their guilt -- unless that presumption is tied to a political motive.

ILARIO PANTANO

Jacksonville, N.C.

The writer served as a Marine enlisted man in the Persian Gulf War and most recently as a platoon commander in Iraq.


© 2006 The Washington Post Company


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jigs

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better yet, send Mr Murta to Iraq, let people try to kill him, and see how HE reacts!!!!

do not lay judgement on these men unless you have walkd a mile in thier shoes. being under fire like they are, I would probably shoot first and ask questions later.


self defense and short nerves create accidents, do not imprison a man for reacting to his primal instinct of survival!
 

Disagreeable

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jigs said:
better yet, send Mr Murta to Iraq, let people try to kill him, and see how HE reacts!!!!

do not lay judgement on these men unless you have walkd a mile in thier shoes. being under fire like they are, I would probably shoot first and ask questions later.


self defense and short nerves create accidents, do not imprison a man for reacting to his primal instinct of survival!

John Murtha is a former Marine. He has several medals from the Vietnam war, at least two Purple Hearts. He has walked several miles in these Marines' shoes and he does understand what they're going through. On the other hand we have George W. Bush who never heard a shot fired in anger, Dick Cheney who got four deferrments to avoid Vietnam, Rush Limbaugh who never served in the military, Bill O'Rielly, who never served in the military, Ann Coulter, who never served in the military, telling Murtha to shut up. I don't think Congressman Murtha is going to be intimidated by such bozos.
 

BBJ

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Disagreeable said:
jigs said:
better yet, send Mr Murta to Iraq, let people try to kill him, and see how HE reacts!!!!

do not lay judgement on these men unless you have walkd a mile in thier shoes. being under fire like they are, I would probably shoot first and ask questions later.


self defense and short nerves create accidents, do not imprison a man for reacting to his primal instinct of survival!

John Murtha is a former Marine. He has several medals from the Vietnam war, at least two Purple Hearts. He has walked several miles in these Marines' shoes and he does understand what they're going through. On the other hand we have George W. Bush who never heard a shot fired in anger, Dick Cheney who got four deferrments to avoid Vietnam, Rush Limbaugh who never served in the military, Bill O'Rielly, who never served in the military, Ann Coulter, who never served in the military, telling Murtha to shut up. I don't think Congressman Murtha is going to be intimidated by such bozos.

And which branch of the military did you serve in? :wink:
 

Red Robin

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Good!
What say you ff?

Murtha to Testify in Defamation Case

Friday, September 28, 2007 2:31 PM

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A Marine Corps sergeant accuses the 16-term congressman of falsely accusing him of "cold-blooded murder and war crimes" in connection with the deaths of Iraqi civilians.
The Justice Department wanted the case dismissed because Murtha was acting in his official role as a lawmaker. Assistant U.S. Attorney John F. Henault said the comments were made as part of the debate over the war in Iraq.
U.S. District Judge Rosemary M. Collyer said the congressman might be right, but said she won't know for sure unless Murtha explains himself. She did not set a date for Murtha's testimony but said she would also require him to turn over documents related to his comments.
Collyer said she was troubled by the idea the lawmakers are immune from lawsuits regardless of what they say to advance their political careers.
© 2007 Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.


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Cal

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Disagreeable said:
jigs said:
better yet, send Mr Murta to Iraq, let people try to kill him, and see how HE reacts!!!!

do not lay judgement on these men unless you have walkd a mile in thier shoes. being under fire like they are, I would probably shoot first and ask questions later.


self defense and short nerves create accidents, do not imprison a man for reacting to his primal instinct of survival!

John Murtha is a former Marine. He has several medals from the Vietnam war, at least two Purple Hearts. He has walked several miles in these Marines' shoes and he does understand what they're going through. On the other hand we have George W. Bush who never heard a shot fired in anger, Dick Cheney who got four deferrments to avoid Vietnam, Rush Limbaugh who never served in the military, Bill O'Rielly, who never served in the military, Ann Coulter, who never served in the military, telling Murtha to shut up. I don't think Congressman Murtha is going to be intimidated by such bozos.
Dis! I was wondering what in the heck happened to you. And you're still really, really astute, because I would have missed it altogether that this article was about O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Colter, Cheney, and Bush....but it took you to pick up on that. Awesome!
 

Texan

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Wow, I saw this thread and was glad to see that PT was back - until I realized that it was an old thread - over a year old.

I think it's good too, RR. When old grouchyass dis said that Murtha knew what those Marines were going through, I don't know if that's true or not. He doesn't know what they were going through unless he was slandered by a sitting Congressman who was only interested in lying for political gain.

Old grouchyass dis - wonder what ever happened to her? :lol:
 

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