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Faster horses

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http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/heading-toward-an-emp-catastrophe?f=must_reads


Natural EMP. We know that natural EMP from the Sun is real. Coronal mass ejections traveling over one million miles per hour strike the Earth's magnetosphere, generating geomagnetic storms every year. Usually these geo-storms are confined to nations at high northern latitudes and are not powerful enough to have catastrophic consequences. In 1989, the Hydro-Quebec Storm blacked-out half of Canada for a day causing economic losses amounting to billions of dollars.

However, we are most concerned about the rare solar super-storm, like the 1921 Railroad Storm, which happened before American civilization became dependent for survival upon electricity and the electric grid. The National Academy of Sciences estimates that if the Railroad Storm were to recur today, there would be a nationwide blackout with recovery requiring 4-10 years, if recovery is possible at all.

The most powerful geomagnetic storm on record is the 1859 Carrington Event. Estimates are that Carrington was about 10 times more powerful than the 1921 Railroad Storm and 100 times more powerful than the 1989 Hydro-Quebec Storm. The Carrington Event was a worldwide phenomenon, causing forest fires from flaring telegraph lines, burning telegraph stations, and destroying the just laid intercontinental telegraph cable at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean.

If a solar super-storm like the Carrington Event recurred today, it would collapse electric grids and life-sustaining critical infrastructures worldwide, putting at risk the lives of billions.

NASA in July 2014 reported that two years earlier, on July 23, 2012 , the Earth narrowly escaped another Carrington Event. A Carrington-class coronal mass ejection crossed the path of the Earth, missing our planet by just three days. NASA assesses that the resulting geomagnetic storm would have had catastrophic consequences worldwide.


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Steve

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One of the biggest disasters we face would begin about 18 hours after the sun spit out a 10-billion-ton ball of plasma--something it has done before and is sure to do again. When the ball, a charged cloud of particles called a coronal mass ejection (CME), struck the Earth, electrical currents would spike through the power grid. Transformers would be destroyed. Lights would go out.


Preventing a surge from a CME would be costly. With enough warning (at least a few hours, probably), power companies could shut transformers off entirely, turning them back on after the storm. But shutting down the grid on such a large scale would cost billions. To confidently do so, forecasting must be accurate.

alot of preparation can take pace in 18 hours.. even at home,.. disconnect the battery to the car, trucks tractors ect,.. park them inside,.. flip all the breakers in your house and unplug everything.. take batteries out of everything. and pray that it is not as bad as those who claim it will be horrific..

My bet is ranchers and farmers are pretty much already prepared for the worse...
 

Faster horses

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Steve said:
One of the biggest disasters we face would begin about 18 hours after the sun spit out a 10-billion-ton ball of plasma--something it has done before and is sure to do again. When the ball, a charged cloud of particles called a coronal mass ejection (CME), struck the Earth, electrical currents would spike through the power grid. Transformers would be destroyed. Lights would go out.


Preventing a surge from a CME would be costly. With enough warning (at least a few hours, probably), power companies could shut transformers off entirely, turning them back on after the storm. But shutting down the grid on such a large scale would cost billions. To confidently do so, forecasting must be accurate.

alot of preparation can take pace in 18 hours.. even at home,.. disconnect the battery to the car, trucks tractors ect,.. park them inside,.. flip all the breakers in your house and unplug everything.. take batteries out of everything. and pray that it is not as bad as those who claim it will be horrific..

My bet is ranchers and farmers are pretty much already prepared for the worse...

I'm not sure about that. I have been thinking about a solar generator, but haven't acted on it yet. We don't even have a real
big generator the would run everything at the same time. We checked and it would cost $1500 to fix the electrical line so that
the power from the generator wouldn't go back up the electrical line (or something like that, I'm not knowledgeable on these
things) so we have done nothing. Not prepared at all, I'd say.
 

Faster horses

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Faster horses said:
Steve said:
One of the biggest disasters we face would begin about 18 hours after the sun spit out a 10-billion-ton ball of plasma--something it has done before and is sure to do again. When the ball, a charged cloud of particles called a coronal mass ejection (CME), struck the Earth, electrical currents would spike through the power grid. Transformers would be destroyed. Lights would go out.


Preventing a surge from a CME would be costly. With enough warning (at least a few hours, probably), power companies could shut transformers off entirely, turning them back on after the storm. But shutting down the grid on such a large scale would cost billions. To confidently do so, forecasting must be accurate.

alot of preparation can take pace in 18 hours.. even at home,.. disconnect the battery to the car, trucks tractors ect,.. park them inside,.. flip all the breakers in your house and unplug everything.. take batteries out of everything. and pray that it is not as bad as those who claim it will be horrific..

My bet is ranchers and farmers are pretty much already prepared for the worse...

I'm not sure about that. I have been thinking about a solar generator, but haven't acted on it yet. We don't even have a real
big generator that would run everything at the same time. We checked and it would cost $1500 to fix the electrical line so that
the power from the generator wouldn't go back up the electrical line (or something like that, I'm not knowledgeable on these
things) so we have done nothing. Not prepared at all, I'd say.

But I am taking notes of what you said should be done if such a thing were to happen and I am checking on a solar generator.
 

burnt

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This topic has had my attention for quite a while now. Because of our utter dependence on a very vulnerable electronically interdependent network, I would deem solar flares to be the greatest threat, by far, for civilization as we know it.

A book entitled "One Second After" was published a few years ago by William R. Forstchen. It gives a fictitious account of what happened in the world after an enemy launches nuclear-induced EMP's on 3 locations across the globe. It is next on my reading list.

A summary appears here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Second_After

In his scenario, our populations would be reduced by 90%. Wouldn't the ecofreaks be delighted? Oh wait - they'd be dead too...
 

Brad S

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1second after is about a nuke emp, but the solar emp is inevitable. Still, if the hodgies ever get a nuke, the second one (after Israel is gone) would be most devestating detonated above Ohio. Pretty good reason to enjoy an old pickup. An old Willeys is a cool side by side.

Solar power is getting interesting. Tesla made a significant battery leap 2 months ago. Solar power is getting closer to competitively priced and the security issues are a no brainier. John McCain calls me a "crazy," - I really like the independence afforded by solar/wind. I think when crazies like me can give the grid the friendly trucker sign, the statists/commies/democrats won't be all "global warming & alternative energy."
 

jcummins

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"We checked and it would cost $1500 to fix the electrical line so that
the power from the generator wouldn't go back up the electrical line (or something like that, I'm not knowledgeable on these
things) so we have done nothing. "

I made a plate, patterned after what you can commercially buy, that forces the main breaker off before you can turn the back feed breaker on for the generator I installed which can run my whole house except for the 220v stuff. It is manual. Cost was nothing since I used material I had on hand. Wiring and plug for the generator did cost, but < $100. Perhaps $1500 was with an automatic cut over.
 

Faster horses

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This is so interesting. We will look into the alternatives to spending $1500 needlessly. I might have to PM you jcummins and Red Bull after showing this to Mr. FH. How big of a generator do you recommend?
 

jcummins

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The propane generator I used.


The plugs I bought to plug generator to the house panel.


The homemade plate that forces the main breaker off before the back feed breaker can be activated.


Set this up a year and half ago...and have only used in testing, since we haven't had an outage. What prompted it was a storm that had power off 6 hours or so. I manually also turn the 220v circuits off when I activate. In testing, no one could tell a difference in power once you went to the generator.
 

Brad S

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Probably a needless caution, but co poisoning happens every year due to poorly vented generators.

Btw, is the $1500 2 way meter for when you are both a regular consumer and producer of electrical power? But you don't really need if you fire up generator on the occasional power outage?
 

Red Bull

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I don't know about the generator size. Just that pulling the meter will stop any back feed to the power lines. Neighbor has a big one that switches on when the power goes off and shuts off when the power comes back on. Can ask how much he has invested.
 

Steve

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http://www.lowes.com/pd_394355-48019-51410C_1z0x2n6__?productId=4712881&pl=1

http://images.lowes.com/product/converted/851890/851890000195lg.jpg

if you do not intend on feeding everything you can get your panel tied to a box like in the link

I have installed a couple of these and it is a fairly easy install..
 

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