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Mark Sanford: The latest in a long line....

fff

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Don't you love it when someone does the research and gets things in a nice wad for you? :lol:

Tarnished Shields: Mark Sanford and the Morally Bankrupt GOP Leadership

By Walter Brasch

Some columns are easier to write than others.

This is one of them.

Providing all of my research were the "family values" Republicans.

This week, second term Gov. Mark Sanford of South Carolina disappeared for six days, leaving the state without a chief executive who could make decisions in an emergency. His Republican lieutenant governor didn't know where he was, and had not been given any authority to make decisions in his absence.

The state police said they had not been informed. His wife told the Associated Press she didn't know where he was, wasn't worried about him, and thought he was "writing something and wanted some space to get away from the kids" over the Father's Day weekend. His senior aides said he was walking along the Appalachian Trail to "clear his head."

But it wasn't his head that he was clearing. When he returned, after first lying to a reporter for the Columbia, South Carolina newspaper The State who caught up with him on his return to the Atlanta airport, he finally admitted he went to Argentina to meet with a long-time lover. His wife, who was not by his side when he held an early afternoon press conference, later said she and the governor had separated two weeks earlier. The State later produced e-mail love letters it had been keeping since December.

The rising young star of the Republican party who was seen as a presidential contender in 2012, the man who was head of the Republican Governors Association until the day after he acknowledged his extramarital affair, the man who had wanted to deprive his state of $700 million in federal stimulus funds as a political message to President Obama, the man who had established himself as a beacon for the sanctity of marriage and the values of the oh-so-pure Religious right, was not only an adulterer, but for at least the second time had left his state at risk since there were no contingency plans of how to reach him in an emergency.

Alas, Gov. Sanford isn't the only "family values" philanderer. Slightly more than a week earlier, Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) admitted he had a nine month extramarital affair with one of his campaign staff. Ensign, who was contemplating a run for president in 2012, had been chair of the Republican Policy Committee and the National Republican Senatorial Committee. Like Gov. Sanford, Sen. Ensign only admitted to the affair after information had been leaked to the media.

This is the same John Ensign who, as a congressman, had curled his lips in revulsion at Bill Clinton's affair, and demanded he either resign or be impeached. "He has no credibility," Ensign told the Las Vegas Review–Journal in 1998. Six years later, now a senator, Ensign supported a federal ban on same sex marriages by declaring, "Marriage is the cornerstone on which our society was founded . . . . [M]arriage, and the sanctity of that institution, predates the American Constitution and the founding of our nation." Ironically, Ensign is active in Promise Keepers, an evangelical group.

Also vigorously calling for President Clinton's impeachment, while having had their own extramarital affairs and covering them up or lying about them, were:

Rep. Henry Hyde (R-Ill.), chair of the House judiciary committee and the "house manager" for the impeachment, who lied about his own four-year affair with a married woman and then when a newspaper published details in 1998 called the affair in the 40s nothing more than a "youthful indiscretion." He retired in 2007 after 17 terms in the House.

Rep. Bob Barr (R-Ga.), who was the first legislator in Congress to call for Clinton's resignation and then became one of the leaders of the impeachment movement. Barr's background, however, wasn't family values pure. He never denied committing adultery with his second wife, and later, while married to his third wife, was photographed at what passed as a charity event licking whipped cream off the breasts of two women. Barr left office in 2003, after four terms.

Rep. Helen Chenoweth (R-Idaho), who was one of the first to call for Clinton's resignation, told the Spokane Spokesman-Review that God had pardoned her sins for her six-year extra-marital affair. Chenoweth left office in January 2001 after keeping her promise not to serve more than three terms.

Fourteen term Rep. Dan Burton (R-Ind), chair of the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee, who not only had a long-time affair with a state employee but had fathered a son from that affair. His website once screamed, "Above all, Dan Burton believes the people have a right to principled leadership and that character does matter."

Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho), who told Tim Russert on NBC-TV's "Meet the Press" in 1999 that "The American people already know that Bill Clinton is a bad boy—a naughty boy. I’m going to speak out for the citizens of my state, who in the majority think that Bill Clinton is probably even a nasty, bad, naughty boy.” However, Craig himself was a "bad boy."

In September 2007 he pleaded guilty, and then tried to withdraw his conviction on charges that he solicited a man in the Minneapolis–St. Paul airport. Several gay men later told the Idaho Statesman that Craig, who was married since 1983, had previously tried to solicit them or had sexual relations with them. Craig resigned in September 2007, and then reversed himself, staying in office through 2008. He did not run for re-election.

Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.), House speaker from 1995 to 1999, who may have had an affair while his first wife was in the hospital recovering from cancer. Gingrich later cheated on his second wife with the woman who became his third wife during the time he was pushing for Clinton's resignation.
Rep. Bob Livingston (R-La.), who was Gingrich's designated successor until he admitted his own infidelities and eventually resigned from the House.
Sen. David Vitter (R-La.), who was elected to Livingston's House seat and served three terms before being identified in a prostitution scandal in Louisiana. In 2004, he was elected to the Senate, three years before Hustler magazine linked him as a client of a prostitution service in Washington, D.C.
Rep. Don Sherwood (R-Pa), who had a five year affair with a woman 35 years his junior. She later charged that Sherwood had assaulted her several times. He eventually settled for what AP reported was about $500,000. Among those who supported Sherwood during his primary re-election were Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), one of the leaders of the conservative coalition who in November 2005 said that "Compassionate Conservatism relies on healthy families," and President George W. Bush who went to northeastern Pennsylvania to help raise funds for Sherwood. However, in the general election of November 2006, Sherwood was defeated for a fifth term.

Add to the list of morally bankrupt Republicans:

Five term Sen. Bob Packwood (R-Ore.) who resigned in September 1995, three years before the Clinton impeachment, after the bipartisan Ethics Committee unanimously recommended his expulsion following charges of sexual abuse and assault by 10 women, most of them either former staffers or lobbyists.
Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.), a six-term congressman, and co-chair of the Missing and Exploited Children's Caucus, who had sent sexually explicit e-mails and text messages to a 16 year-old male Congressional page. Foley resigned in September 2006, two months before the general election, long after the Republican leadership had failed to discipline him, and only after a blog (stopsexpredators.blogspot.com) and ABC-TV news exposed his hoped-for affairs may have included other staff dating back at least a decade.
Rep. Robert E. Bauman (R-Md.), publicly homophobic founder of Young Americans for Freedom and the American Conservative Union, who admitted he had solicited sex with a 16 year old male. Bauman lost the general election in 1980 and later declared himself to be gay.
Rep. Donald Lukens (R-Ohio), who was convicted in 1989 of a misdemeanor for having sex with a 16-year-old girl. The "affair" may have begun three years earlier. Lukens finally resigned in October 1990, after having lost the Republican primary several months earlier.
Republican leaders aren’t the only ones who commit adultery, nor are conservatives or members of the Religious Right, including preachers, solely the ones to have violated the seventh and tenth Commandments. But, it is the "family values" Republican leaders, who have led the party of right wing moral indignation; it is the Religious Right that has overtaken the party and wears the now-tarnished shield of righteousness to protect itself against anyone who doesn't share their own views of the world, including moderate and liberal Republicans, and anyone belonging to another political party.

The hypocrisy and moral turpitude of the leaders is just one reason why only 21 percent of Americans identify themselves as Republicans.

http://www.pubrecord.org/commentary/972-tarnished-shields-mark-sanford-and-the-morally-bankrupt-gop-leadership.html
 

VanC

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fff said:
Don't you love it when someone does the research and gets things in a nice wad for you? :lol:

Yes, I do, and since you love scandals so much, I did a little more research for you. Enjoy.

Rep. Wilbur Mills (D-Ark.)
On Oct. 9, 1974, Mills, the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee and perhaps the most powerful member of the House, was stopped for speeding near the Jefferson Memorial at 2 a.m. Shortly after, Annabella Battistella – a stripper who went by the stage-name of Fanne Foxe, the "Argentine Firecracker" – jumped out of his car and into the Potomac River tidal basin. The incident did not immediately threaten Mills, whose district was solidly Democratic. But Mills won reelection with only 59 percent of the vote, his lowest total ever. Within weeks, Mills appeared on a Boston stage carousing with Foxe, apparently intoxicated. Faced with an uprising among House Democrats, Mills was forced to resign as Ways and Means chairman, and in 1976 he announced he would not seek another term, ending his 38-year House career. He was succeeded by Jim Guy Tucker, whose own ethics got the attention of Kenneth Starr some two decades later.

Rep. Wayne Hays (D-Ohio)
In its May 23, 1976, editions, The Washington Post quoted Elizabeth Ray as saying that she was a secretary for the House Administration Committee, headed by Hays, despite the fact that "I can't type, I can't file, I can't even answer the phone." She said the main responsibility of her $14,000-a-year job was to have sex with Hays. The fall of Hays, an arrogant bully who was one of the most powerful – and disliked – members of Congress, was rapid. The House ethics committee opened its investigation on June 2. He resigned as chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee on June 3. In the Democratic primary five days later, a car-wash manager/bartender who had run against Hays four previous times and never received more than 20 percent of the vote got 39 percent. Hays later resigned his committee chairmanship, dropped his reelection bid, and finally resigned on September 1.

Rep. John Young (D-Tex.)
On June 11, 1976, Colleen Gardner, a former staff secretary to Young, told the New York Times that Young increased her salary after she gave in to his sexual advances. In November, Young, who had run unopposed in the safe Democratic district five consecutive times, was reelected with just 61 percent of the vote. The scandal wouldn't go away, and in 1978 Young was defeated in a Democratic primary runoff.

Rep. Allan Howe (D-Utah)
On June 13, 1976, Howe was arrested in Salt Lake City on charges of soliciting two policewomen posing as prostitutes. Howe insisted he was set up and refused to resign. But the Democratic Party distanced itself from his candidacy and he was trounced by his Republican opponent in the November election.

Rep. Fred Richmond (D-N.Y.)
In April 1978, Richmond was arrested in Washington for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old boy. Richmond apologized for his actions, conceding he "made bad judgments involving my private life." In spite of a Democratic primary opponent's attempts to cash in on the headlines, Richmond easily won renomination and reelection. But his career came to an end four years later when, after pleading guilty to possession of marijuana and tax evasion – and amid allegations that he had his staff procure cocaine for him – he resigned his seat.

Sen. Brock Adams (D-Wash.)
On Sept. 27, 1988, Seattle newspapers reported that Kari Tupper, the daughter of Adams's longtime friends, filed a complaint against the Washington Democrat in July of 1987, charging sexual assault. She claimed she went to Adams's house in March 1987 to get him to end a pattern of harassment, but that he drugged her and assaulted her. Adams denied any sexual assault, saying they only talked about her employment opportunities. Adams continued raising campaign funds and declared for a second term in February of 1992. But two weeks later the Seattle Times reported that eight other women were accusing Adams of sexual molestation over the past 20 years, describing a history of drugging and subsequent rape. Later that day, while still proclaiming his innocence, Adams ended his campaign.

Rep. Jim Bates (D-Calif.)
Roll Call quoted former Bates aides in October 1988 saying that the San Diego Democrat made sexual advances toward female staffers. Bates called it a GOP-inspired smear campaign, but also apologized for anything he did that might have seemed inappropriate. The story came too close to Election Day to damage Bates, who won easily. However, the following October the ethics committee sent Bates a "letter of reproval" directing him to make a formal apology to the women who filed the complaint. Although the district was not thought to be hospitable to the GOP, Randy "Duke" Cunningham, a former Navy pilot who was once shot down over North Vietnam, ousted Bates in 1990 by fewer than 2,000 votes.

Rep. Gus Savage (D-Ill.)
The Washington Post reported on July 19, 1989, that Savage had fondled a Peace Corps volunteer while on an official visit to Zaire. Savage called the story a lie and blamed it on his political enemies and a racist media. (Savage is black.) In January 1990, the House ethics committee decided that the events did occur, but decided against any disciplinary action because Savage wrote a letter to the woman saying he "never intended to offend" her. Savage was reelected in 1990, but finally ousted in the 1992 primary by Mel Reynolds.

Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.)
In response to a story in the Aug. 25, 1989, Washington Times, Frank confirmed that he hired Steve Gobie, a male prostitute, in 1985 to live with and work for him in his D.C. apartment. But Frank, who is gay, said he fired Gobie in 1987 when he learned he was using the apartment to run a prostitution service. The Boston Globe, among others, called on Frank to resign, but he refused. On July 19, 1990, the ethics committee recommended Frank be reprimanded because he "reflected discredit upon the House" by using his congressional office to fix 33 of Gobie's parking tickets. Attempts to expel or censure Frank failed; instead the House voted 408-18 to reprimand him. The fury in Washington was not shared in Frank's district, where he won reelection in 1990 with 66 percent of the vote, and has won by larger margins ever since.

Sen. Charles Robb (D-Va.)
On April 25, 1991, with NBC News about to go on the air with allegations he had an extramarital affair with Tai Collins, a former Miss Virginia, Robb made a preemptive strike. The Virginia Democrat, married to Lyndon Johnson's daughter, said he was with Collins in a hotel room, but all that took place was a massage over a bottle of wine. Collins, in a subsequent interview with Playboy, said they had been having an affair since 1983. It was thought that these charges, along with long-circulated but unproven allegations that Robb had attended Virginia Beach parties where cocaine was present, would jeopardize Robb's 1994 bid for re-election. But the GOP nominated Oliver North, the Iran-Contra figure who had his own credibility problems. Robb squeaked by with 46 percent in a three-way race.

Sen. Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii)
In October 1992, Republican Senate nominee Rick Reed began running a campaign commercial that included a surreptitiously taped interview with Lenore Kwock, Inouye's hairdresser. Kwock said Inouye had sexually forced himself on her in 1975 and continued a pattern of sexual harassment, even as Kwock continued to cut his hair over the years. Inouye, seeking a sixth term, denied the charges. And Kwock said that by running the commercial, Reed had caused her more pain than Inouye had. Reed was forced to pull the ad, and while many voters took out their anger on the Republican, Inouye was held to 57 percent of the vote – the lowest total of his career. A week later, a female Democratic state legislator announced that she had heard from nine other women who claimed Inouye had sexually harassed them over the past decade. But the women didn't go public with their claims, the local press didn't pursue the story, and the Senate Ethics Committee decided to drop the investigation because the accusers wouldn't participate in an inquiry.

Rep. Mel Reynolds (D-Ill.)
Freshman Reynolds was indicted on Aug. 19, 1994, on charges of having sex with a 16-year-old campaign worker and then pressuring her to lie about it. Reynolds, who is black, denied the charges and said the investigation was racially motivated. The GOP belatedly put up a write-in candidate for November, but Reynolds dispatched him in the overwhelmingly Democratic district with little effort. Reynolds was convicted on Aug. 22, 1995 of 12 counts of sexual assault, obstruction of justice and solicitation of child pornography, was sentenced to five years in prison, and resigned his seat on October 1.

Your Democratic Scandal Scorecard

You’re probably already used to revelations of Democratic lawmakers saying one thing and doing another, and in some cases, violating the law with impunity. But for a congressional majority, and later, a president and administration that ran against a “culture of corruption,” the breadth, depth, and variety of recent and ongoing Democratic scandals is pretty eye-opening.

SEN. CHRIS DODD (D., CONN.): Dodd is most notably and recently in trouble for the provision of the stimulus bill that ensured that already-existing contracts for bonuses at companies receiving federal bailout money would be honored. In an interview with CNN, he initially denied any role in the provision.

As chair of the Senate Banking Committee, Dodd tried to put together federal aid for the then-troubled mortgage lender Countrywide Financial. Dodd’s homes in Connecticut and Washington, D.C., were refinanced to below-market rates under the “Friends of Angelo” program (meaning he was a friend of then-CEO Angelo Mozilo). He did not disclose the refinance in the six financial-disclosure statements he’s filed since then and has failed to keep promises to release more information about them. He later said he knew he was part of the company’s “VIP” program, but he didn’t know being a part of the VIP program meant he would receive favorable mortgage terms. (Really.) Those noted anti-Democrat partisans on the New York Times editorial board have declared “his excuses are wearing ridiculously thin.”

NRO and the Los Angeles Times have reported that Dodd’s financial bailout legislation was “exactly what Bank of America and Countrywide wanted.”

In Dodd’s Senate ethics filings, he has repeatedly listed the value of his “cottage” in Ireland as between $100,001 and $250,000. Others have assessed the value of the property at $1 million or more. He bought it with a Missouri businessman who was friends with a felon convicted of insider trading. Dodd helped secure the felon a pardon from President Clinton, and later bought his partner’s two-thirds share of the property for $127,000.

In summer of 2008, when he was responsible for oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Dodd argued that to “suggest they are in major trouble is not accurate.” Fannie and Freddie employees donated $133,900 to Dodd since 1989, more to him than to any other lawmaker.

REP. JACK MURTHA (D., PA.): Federal agents are examining how nearly $250 million in defense appropriations were steered to clients of KSA Consulting, which employed Murtha’s brother Robert, and the PMA Group, founded by a former Murtha aide. The clients then contributed $775,000 to Murtha in the last election cycle. The lawmaker is also under scrutiny for steering federal earmarks to John Murtha Airport.

REP. CHARLIE RANGEL (D., N.Y.): He is being “investigated by the House Ethics Committee in at least four areas, including his reported failure to properly report income taxes on a Caribbean villa in the Dominican Republic; use of four, rent-controlled apartments in Harlem; questions about an offshore firm asking Rangel for special tax exemptions; and whether Rangel improperly used House stationery to solicit donations for a school of public affairs named after him at City College of New York,” Fox News summarizes.

GOV. BILL RICHARDSON (D., N.M.): His nomination as commerce secretary was “derailed by a federal grand jury investigating whether one of his campaign donors won state contracts because of pressure from the governor’s office. The probe is moving along aggressively, sources close to the investigation said, and it is unclear whether Richardson could be indicted or what may become of his top aides, some of whom have been questioned,” the Washington Post reported.

SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN (D., CALIF.): Introduced legislation to steer $25 billion to the FDIC, days after before CB Richard Ellis Group, a commercial real-estate firm headed by her husband, Richard Blum, won the competitive bidding for a contract to sell foreclosed properties that the FDIC had inherited from failed banks. As the Washington Times noted, Feinstein is not a member of the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs, which has jurisdiction over the FDIC; and the agency is supposed to operate from money it raises from bank-paid insurance payments — not direct federal dollars. (UPDATE: The legislation was introduced before the contract was awarded to CB Richard Ellis Group. See Feinstein office response below.)


REP. JIM MORAN (D., VA.) and REP. PETER VISCLOSKY (D., IND.): Along with Murtha, these two congressmen are under scrutiny for their ties to PMA Group, a lobbying firm that steered millions of dollars in donations to their political committees from its lobbyists and earmark-seeking clients.

REP. JESSE JACKSON (D., ILL.): The Chicago Sun-Times reports that two allies of Jackson told former Gov. Rod Blagojevich’s camp that the congressman would raise up to $5 million in campaign cash for the ex-governor if he was appointed to President Obama’s U.S. Senate seat. Jackson is under investigation by the House Office of Congressional Ethics.

REP. JANE HARMAN (D., CALIF.): This lawmaker can allegedly be heard on an NSA wiretap offering to help seek reduced charges for two pro-Israel lobbyists suspected of espionage in exchange for help from a suspected Israeli agent in lobbying House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to give Harman a key chairmanship.

STEVE RATTNER: President Obama’s “Car Czar” was one of the executives involved with payments under scrutiny in a probe of an alleged kickback scheme at New York state’s pension fund, according to a person familiar with the matter, the Wall Street Journal reports.

In addition, since the beginning of the year, the House Office of Congressional Ethics has opened 10 preliminary investigations and six of them have moved to the “second phase review” stage. The identities of the lawmakers or staff under investigation are not known, other than Jesse Jackson Jr.

Then there is the separate category for scandals that have come and gone, and not been considered sufficient to impede cabinet nominees from performing their duties — the unpaid taxes of Secretary of the Treasury Tim Geithner, Secretary of Health and Human Services nominee Kathleen Sebelius, U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk, and Labor Secretary Hilda Solis, who overcame questions about $6,400 in tax liens against her husband’s business. Tom Daschle and Nancy Killefer withdrew their nominations after revelations of unpaid taxes.

And this list is just the folks currently in office. Among those who have left office are former Gov. Rod Blagojevich (D., Ill.), former Detroit mayor Kwame Kilpatrick; and former Rep. William “The Freezer” Jefferson (D., La.).

And also file away the news that the National Enquirer, the first to break the news of John Edwards’s affair with a former campaign staffer, reports that a federal grand jury is examining allegations he paid her hush money with campaign funds.

But other than that, they’re “draining the swamp” and beating back the “culture of corruption,” as promised ....
 

aplusmnt

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Sandhusker said:
What do you think about Van's post, fff?

She will be gone now. fff is a drive by poster now. She would talk for thousands of post about Bush but now she can not defend Obama she comes and goes with drive by post leaving when faced with an actual debate.
 

fff

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aplusmnt said:
Sandhusker said:
What do you think about Van's post, fff?

She will be gone now. fff is a drive by poster now. She would talk for thousands of post about Bush but now she can not defend Obama she comes and goes with drive by post leaving when faced with an actual debate.

Why should I defend Obama against the racists on this board? He's half black; and you'll never accept a black man as president of the US. I think that's pretty obvious to people who bother to read this board anymore.

But it's only the beginning of a color change in this country. In another generation, whites will be either the minority or close to it. How are you going to live with that? More importantly, how are your kids and grandkids going to live with that? Think about what you're teaching them.
 

aplusmnt

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fff said:
aplusmnt said:
Sandhusker said:
What do you think about Van's post, fff?

She will be gone now. fff is a drive by poster now. She would talk for thousands of post about Bush but now she can not defend Obama she comes and goes with drive by post leaving when faced with an actual debate.

Why should I defend Obama against the racists on this board? He's half black; and you'll never accept a black man as president of the US. I think that's pretty obvious to people who bother to read this board anymore.

But it's only the beginning of a color change in this country. In another generation, whites will be either the minority or close to it. How are you going to live with that? More importantly, how are your kids and grandkids going to live with that? Think about what you're teaching them.

I do not have to think about it, I have black kids at my house playing with my kids more than I do white kids.

Racism is you liberals cop out so you can deny how incompetent Obama is! He is another Carter and no one liked Carter even though he was white. So drop the cry baby booo hoooo and defend the policies on their merit! Which you can not do! You can not defend gas prices rising under Obama faster than Bush, even though you blamed Bush for it when it happened!

Racism = cop out
 

backhoeboogie

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fff said:
aplusmnt said:
Sandhusker said:
What do you think about Van's post, fff?

She will be gone now. fff is a drive by poster now. She would talk for thousands of post about Bush but now she can not defend Obama she comes and goes with drive by post leaving when faced with an actual debate.

Why should I defend Obama against the racists on this board? He's half black; and you'll never accept a black man as president of the US. I think that's pretty obvious to people who bother to read this board anymore.

But it's only the beginning of a color change in this country. In another generation, whites will be either the minority or close to it. How are you going to live with that? More importantly, how are your kids and grandkids going to live with that? Think about what you're teaching them.

I voted for a black man last election. He was the best choice.

You sound as racist as the blacks. Are you going to paint, "Black Owned Business" on your gate so that you are not struck when racial riots break out again?
 

Sandhusker

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reader (the Second) said:
It's difficult to convince us that the little block of you who are so vocally anti-Obama are not racist.

I agree that some of you appear to be LESS racist, but if you aren't racist then why do you let the blatant racism of some of your clique be voiced here? The stereotyping of Hispanics, the ugly insults about Michelle Obama, the cartoons posted of Obama? I can only conclude that you are racist from your allowing some of the most blatant racism I hear.

It's difficult for you to understand that we don't like Obama when we continually post about him being a flipping socialist, his compulsive lying, his lacking of the basic qualification for the job, his associations with terrorists and racists, his distain for the law, him being a radical anti-gun moonbat, his weak foreign policy, his half-baked cap and trade, etc.....?

None of that gets any consideration from you and instead you deduce that we don't like him because we're racists? Hellllllooo? :shock:
 

leanin' H

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If me disagreeing with President Obama makes me a racist then ALL the liberals on here that disagreed with Bush are anti-American communists!
If you can paint with a broad brush so can I! I am offended to even be mentioned as a possible racist! I dislike Obama because of his decisions, his associates, his solcialist agenda, his record and his lack of anything other than hype! Who cares what his skin color is? Well, except for the liberals who scream racism at everyone and then spend all their time and energy pointing out skin color! Maybe some of ya'll are the racists! Stop looking at color and start looking at facts! And stop with the generalizations! It makes ya look very hypocritical and silly! :roll:
 

MsSage

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reader (the Second) said:
So no answer to my question as to why you condone by silence racist remarks on PB?

I gave you explicit examples.
Excuss me but I have said things to people who make "racist" remarks.
Where have you stopped the personal attacks or made comments to others who instead of talking about the topic, attack and call people racist?

Show me where it is being a racist when you disagree with a person based on his belief that more government is better?
No I did NOT vote for Harvey Gnatt because he was Tax and spend and Charlotte found after the fact. No I did NOT vote for obama because he wants government in ALL aspects of the peoples lives.
YES I was on the commitee for the Kemp/Powell and I would have been on it if it was Powell/Kemp. I have nothing but the greatest respect for Condoleezza Rice.
Yes I judge people......based on their character.
 

fff

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MsSage said:
reader (the Second) said:
So no answer to my question as to why you condone by silence racist remarks on PB?

I gave you explicit examples.
Excuss me but I have said things to people who make "racist" remarks.
Where have you stopped the personal attacks or made comments to others who instead of talking about the topic, attack and call people racist?

Show me where it is being a racist when you disagree with a person based on his belief that more government is better?
No I did NOT vote for Harvey Gnatt because he was Tax and spend and Charlotte found after the fact. No I did NOT vote for obama because he wants government in ALL aspects of the peoples lives.
YES I was on the commitee for the Kemp/Powell and I would have been on it if it was Powell/Kemp. I have nothing but the greatest respect for Condoleezza Rice.
Yes I judge people......based on their character.

Condoleeza Rice was a shill for the Bush Administration's push to go to war in Iraq. Just weeks after 9/11, while the country is raw and angry, she:

""We know that he has the infrastructure, nuclear scientists to make a nuclear weapon," she told me. "And we know that when the inspectors assessed this after the Gulf War, he was far, far closer to a crude nuclear device than anybody thought -- maybe six months from a crude nuclear device."

Dr. Rice then said something that was ominous and made headlines around the world.

"The problem here is that there will always be some uncertainty about how quickly he can acquire nuclear weapons. But we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."

Like Rumsfeld who claimed that "we" knew where Saddam's WMDs were, Rice lied. We did not know that he had the infastructure or scientists to make a nuclear weapon. We couldn't have known any such thing because he didn't.

Perhaps you should reconsider your admiration for Ms. Rice....or not.
 
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I actually feel sorry for Condoleeza Rice...As the inside revalations of the Bush regime come out- Cheney blindsided her many times-as all Rummy or the CIA had to do is run to Cheney and he would overrule any of her ideas- or just totally bypass her...And she got only the info that the CIA or Rummy wanted her to get...Rummy, Tenet and Cheney looked down on her as not fitting for the post.... Rummy wouldn't even let her in the Pentagon- and didn't want any Pentagon staff talking to her- and she was the National Security Advisor at the time...
 

MsSage

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Did you read the REST of the story you quoted????
I thought of those comments this week following the statement from the chief U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix, acknowledging that no "smoking gun" has been found yet since the resumption of the weapons inspections. Still, Blix did not offer Iraq a clean bill of health.

"The absence of smoking guns and the prompt access which we have had so far, and which is most welcome, is no guarantee that prohibited stocks or activities could not exist at other sites, whether above ground, underground or in mobile units" Blix said, insisting they need more time to continue their inspections


So Dr Rice is a lier....ok is it because she is Black? Are you threatened by a powerful educated Black Woman?
 

fff

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leanin' H said:
If me disagreeing with President Obama makes me a racist then ALL the liberals on here that disagreed with Bush are anti-American communists!
If you can paint with a broad brush so can I! I am offended to even be mentioned as a possible racist! I dislike Obama because of his decisions, his associates, his solcialist agenda, his record and his lack of anything other than hype! Who cares what his skin color is? Well, except for the liberals who scream racism at everyone and then spend all their time and energy pointing out skin color! Maybe some of ya'll are the racists! Stop looking at color and start looking at facts! And stop with the generalizations! It makes ya look very hypocritical and silly! :roll:

Aw, gee. Did you forget to mention that "some of my best friends are black"? :roll:
 

hopalong

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fff said:
leanin' H said:
If me disagreeing with President Obama makes me a racist then ALL the liberals on here that disagreed with Bush are anti-American communists!
If you can paint with a broad brush so can I! I am offended to even be mentioned as a possible racist! I dislike Obama because of his decisions, his associates, his solcialist agenda, his record and his lack of anything other than hype! Who cares what his skin color is? Well, except for the liberals who scream racism at everyone and then spend all their time and energy pointing out skin color! Maybe some of ya'll are the racists! Stop looking at color and start looking at facts! And stop with the generalizations! It makes ya look very hypocritical and silly! :roll:

Aw, gee. Did you forget to mention that "some of my best friends are black"? :roll:



HUMMMMM beginning to sound like someone else on PB.
could it be that fff is someone else?????
:wink: :wink: :wink:
 

fff

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Oldtimer said:
I actually feel sorry for Condoleeza Rice...As the inside revalations of the Bush regime come out- Cheney blindsided her many times-as all Rummy or the CIA had to do is run to Cheney and he would overrule any of her ideas- or just totally bypass her...And she got only the info that the CIA or Rummy wanted her to get...Rummy, Tenet and Cheney looked down on her as not fitting for the post.... Rummy wouldn't even let her in the Pentagon- and didn't want any Pentagon staff talking to her- and she was the National Security Advisor at the time...

I don't feel a bit sorry for her. She knew there was no proof of WMDs in Iraq. If she had a responsible bone in her body, she never would have claimed that we "knew" Saddam had WMDs. Like Colin Powell. He knew better than to make that speech at the UN, but he did it anyway. Shame on them both. :mad:
 
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