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Mary Cheney & family

kolanuraven

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http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/06/cheney.daughters.ap/index.html


Ok...think anti-gay Grandpa Dickie will ignore this baby???? I think not!!


Wonder if the Bush family will buy something for the baby?
 

passin thru

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I am sure many of you will be aghast at Mary Cheney having a baby with her partner of 15 years but as I have said before, better the gay couple who has an uphill battle to bring a child into this world and who truly wants that child than the hoard of abused, unwanted, and neglected children born to those who accidentally or irresponsibly have them.
There we go again with an assumption to validate a position. Comparing a best case scenario of gay parents to worst case scenario of hetero parents.
 

Red Robin

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I really think they don't have any better sense PT. That same logic says that parents that abuse their kids provide a much better family situation than those that dismember , torture, and canibalize their kids so we should be in favor of families abusing their kids. The argument makes sense to them some way I guess. :shock:
 

Disagreeable

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Isn't that sweet. Dick and Lynne are going to be grandparents again. It's so wonderful that the parents-to-be could just pull up stakes and move close to mom and dad. We should all have so much money and freedom. On the other hand my nephew stationed overseas has yet to see his new son.
 

nonothing

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passin thru said:
I am sure many of you will be aghast at Mary Cheney having a baby with her partner of 15 years but as I have said before, better the gay couple who has an uphill battle to bring a child into this world and who truly wants that child than the hoard of abused, unwanted, and neglected children born to those who accidentally or irresponsibly have them.
There we go again with an assumption to validate a position. Comparing a best case scenario of gay parents to worst case scenario of hetero parents.


You are a fair man PT.as you know you validate your postions on many issues this excact same way......I was not surprised to see you use the word WE to start off your point........To admit to being the same as another you seem to be taking to task....shows signs of a stand up guy.....good on you PT....I sure was wrong about you.....have a wonderful day.... :)
 

nonothing

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Red Robin said:
I really think they don't have any better sense PT. That same logic says that parents that abuse their kids provide a much better family situation than those that dismember , torture, and canibalize their kids so we should be in favor of families abusing their kids. The argument makes sense to them some way I guess. :shock:


What you are saying is? gay women make bad mothers because they sleep in the same bed........but a single mother who may take a different man a week to her bed is ok with you?Are you saying,a gay mother that provides,loving parental responsibility,is more of a danger then a mother who,smokes cigarettes,watches non stop tv,no longer cares what her husband does,but still remembers to feed her children....Do you believe a women who sleeps with the neighbors's husband,can be a better parent then a gay women?Can a loving hetro couple ,care any more or love a child anymore then a gay couple.....The stigma that you (who seem to hate anyone different) say is put on these kids,is put on by people like you RR....If these kids are treated poorly it is because of people like you RR..If there was no one pushing hate then there would be no hate....People like you RR hold others back and most times hiding behind the book of religion......

What if RR for a second you looked at this from a different approach....Say for instance that the world can only handle a certain number of population.Humans reproduce at a fairly fast rate...now say to slow that rate what can you do??....well the biggest way is to stop reproduction all together,but that wont happen...so maybe if some human's can be stopped reproducing,that could control the population of human growth numbers,but how? ..Well if the need to love can be used without the need to reproduce,things will still flow the same but the numbers of new humans will be lower......ok so that happened by the use of homosexuality....but along came the book you hide behind telling humans that being gay was a sin..forcing the homosexual population to now hide with in the hetro population.Now the homosexuals are reproducing with the hetro's creating population numbers that were not expected...The control is lost,peoples freedom to love each other stifled...the book has built a closet so big,both hetro's and gay's are unhappy....Oh the book still tries to keep holding its thumb down,but the closet is overflowing.....and like any part of a society it can only be held down so long....Now those gays are every where....but you see,had the book not condemned homosexuality, life would have one less hate in it..... The book forced homosexuals's to hide within the very same countries,cities,towns and yes even the churches that live by the book..So maybe it is the book that made homosexuality what it is today?....


Just an observation...... :D
 

Red Robin

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nonothing said:
Red Robin said:
I really think they don't have any better sense PT. That same logic says that parents that abuse their kids provide a much better family situation than those that dismember , torture, and canibalize their kids so we should be in favor of families abusing their kids. The argument makes sense to them some way I guess. :shock:


What you are saying is? gay women make bad mothers
yes
 

nonothing

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Red Robin said:
nonothing said:
Red Robin said:
I really think they don't have any better sense PT. That same logic says that parents that abuse their kids provide a much better family situation than those that dismember , torture, and canibalize their kids so we should be in favor of families abusing their kids. The argument makes sense to them some way I guess. :shock:


What you are saying is? gay women make bad mothers
yes

judge,judge,judge.....thats all you do ...you cant even use the whole sentence in your debate.
 

Red Robin

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I'm not debating you. I told you what I think. If you want someone to say that queers are wonderful mothers, ask Kola or R2 , not me.
 

nonothing

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Red Robin said:
I'm not debating you. I told you what I think. If you want someone to say that queers are wonderful mothers, ask Kola or R2 , not me.


I blame the book,for creating people with such hate.......I am sure it was not god's intention to create such hate....but it sure seems to look like it has....
 

Red Robin

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Are you talking about the quran, the Jewish old testiment or the new testiment? All three condemn it. I would guess almost every other religion does as well. Several , if not most , cultures have as well. Do you blame them? Seems that homosexuals want to blame anyone but themselves for their choice.
 

nonothing

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Red Robin said:
Are you talking about the quran, the Jewish old testiment or the new testiment? All three condemn it. I would guess almost every other religion does as well. Several , if not most , cultures have as well. Do you blame them? Seems that homosexuals want to blame anyone but themselves for their choice.


yes i blame them all......Again RR you cant see past your hate....God will forgive you,I hope.......
 

Disagreeable

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nonothing said:
Red Robin said:
I'm not debating you. I told you what I think. If you want someone to say that queers are wonderful mothers, ask Kola or R2 , not me.


I blame the book,for creating people with such hate.......I am sure it was not god's intention to create such hate....but it sure seems to look like it has....

You can't blame the Book. You can only blame the individuals. It makes me sad to see people claiming to be Christian spouting such hate. Jesus Christ taught us to love our brothers, not hate them. Christian hate has been institutionalized with the Religious Right, Falwell, Robertson, Dobson, etc. Thank goodness that Americans are turning away from that dogma.
 

Red Robin

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Disagreeable said:
nonothing said:
Red Robin said:
I'm not debating you. I told you what I think. If you want someone to say that queers are wonderful mothers, ask Kola or R2 , not me.


I blame the book,for creating people with such hate.......I am sure it was not god's intention to create such hate....but it sure seems to look like it has....

You can't blame the Book. You can only blame the individuals. It makes me sad to see people claiming to be Christian spouting such hate. Jesus Christ taught us to love our brothers, not hate them. Christian hate has been institutionalized with the Religious Right, Falwell, Robertson, Dobson, etc. Thank goodness that Americans are turning away from that dogma.
You're either uneducated Biblically or a lying fool , or both.
 

Red Robin

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I don't know his stance and could care less. I didn't vote for Dick or George for that matter. I voted against the rediculious , low intellect, limp wristed moron, John Kerry. I would again too. I made a good choice. It was a double bonus kind of deal. I had no idea I would get a president as good as GW has been. I only fault him for being too liberal on the social issues front.
 

Econ101

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Red Robin said:
I don't know his stance and could care less. I didn't vote for Dick or George for that matter. I voted against the rediculious , low intellect, limp wristed moron, John Kerry. I would again too. I made a good choice. It was a double bonus kind of deal. I had no idea I would get a president as good as GW has been. I only fault him for being too liberal on the social issues front.

So you support the party of Bush/Cheny but don't like their personal stances on the issue you are arguing so passionately about? Or do you just chose to ignore that fact?
 

nonothing

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As much as i dissagree with RR I will admit he is a true to his belief kinda guy......You dont see any of those other so called repub supporters in here with him....so i guess they agree with the majority in this thread and have choose to stay away rather then admit they support this issue of gay families.....Good for you fella's......LOL
 

jigs

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I see Cheney 's situation as a tough one. one we may all be in someday. Homosexuals are wrong. we love our kids. we have our values. we raise our kids and try to instill our values in them.

now they head off to college and they run into a vast variety of things. everyone hears about the "experimenting" that goes on in college.

So, Cheney raises a good wholesome child. she goes off and turns gay, he still loves her, does not like her life choices, but she is still his kid. AND HE STICKS TO HIS GUNS ON HIS BELIEFS!!!!!!!!!

now, were he a wishy washy ass like Kerry or Clinton, he would have turned his political values upside down to show he was pro gay, and open to alternative lifestyles.

but he is a man of honorable intentions. so he knows he has a gay daughter, but separates it from his public stand on right and wrong.

I think this makes him a better man.
 
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