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Mary Cheney & family

jodywy

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jigs said:
I see Cheney 's situation as a tough one. one we may all be in someday. Homosexuals are wrong. we love our kids. we have our values. we raise our kids and try to instill our values in them.

now they head off to college and they run into a vast variety of things. everyone hears about the "experimenting" that goes on in college.

So, Cheney raises a good wholesome child. she goes off and turns gay, he still loves her, does not like her life choices, but she is still his kid. AND HE STICKS TO HIS GUNS ON HIS BELIEFS!!!!!!!!!

now, were he a wishy washy ass like Kerry or Clinton, he would have turned his political values upside down to show he was pro gay, and open to alternative lifestyles.

but he is a man of honorable intentions. so he knows he has a gay daughter, but separates it from his public stand on right and wrong.

I think this makes him a better man.

Sin is sin, but to deny someone their own free agency is also a sin. Like the prodigal son we love them and forgive them their sin and hope they have the faith also to over come it.

It like this board some chose to be offended, but one can only be offended it they chose to be
ok enough Sunday morning....
 

Econ101

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jodywy said:
jigs said:
I see Cheney 's situation as a tough one. one we may all be in someday. Homosexuals are wrong. we love our kids. we have our values. we raise our kids and try to instill our values in them.

now they head off to college and they run into a vast variety of things. everyone hears about the "experimenting" that goes on in college.

So, Cheney raises a good wholesome child. she goes off and turns gay, he still loves her, does not like her life choices, but she is still his kid. AND HE STICKS TO HIS GUNS ON HIS BELIEFS!!!!!!!!!

now, were he a wishy washy ass like Kerry or Clinton, he would have turned his political values upside down to show he was pro gay, and open to alternative lifestyles.

but he is a man of honorable intentions. so he knows he has a gay daughter, but separates it from his public stand on right and wrong.

I think this makes him a better man.

Sin is sin, but to deny someone their own free agency is also a sin. Like the prodigal son we love them and forgive them their sin and hope they have the faith also to over come it.

It like this board some chose to be offended, but one can only be offended it they chose to be
ok enough Sunday morning....

I'm with you on this one, Jody. Couldn't have said it better myself.

God gave man free will. That gives him the ability to sin. We can't take that ability away from him, but when he/she sins against another, the law is involved. What is the saying, "you can't legislate morality"?

The new testament teaches us to have more compassion and forgive others of their sins as we ask for forgiveness of ours.
 

Red Robin

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Econ101 said:
jodywy said:
jigs said:
I see Cheney 's situation as a tough one. one we may all be in someday. Homosexuals are wrong. we love our kids. we have our values. we raise our kids and try to instill our values in them.

now they head off to college and they run into a vast variety of things. everyone hears about the "experimenting" that goes on in college.

So, Cheney raises a good wholesome child. she goes off and turns gay, he still loves her, does not like her life choices, but she is still his kid. AND HE STICKS TO HIS GUNS ON HIS BELIEFS!!!!!!!!!

now, were he a wishy washy ass like Kerry or Clinton, he would have turned his political values upside down to show he was pro gay, and open to alternative lifestyles.

but he is a man of honorable intentions. so he knows he has a gay daughter, but separates it from his public stand on right and wrong.

I think this makes him a better man.

Sin is sin, but to deny someone their own free agency is also a sin. Like the prodigal son we love them and forgive them their sin and hope they have the faith also to over come it.

It like this board some chose to be offended, but one can only be offended it they chose to be
ok enough Sunday morning....

I'm with you on this one, Jody. Couldn't have said it better myself.

God gave man free will. That gives him the ability to sin. We can't take that ability away from him, but when he/she sins against another, the law is involved. What is the saying, "you can't legislate morality"?

The new testament teaches us to have more compassion and forgive others of their sins as we ask for forgiveness of ours.
That's silly.
 

Econ101

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What is silly about it RR? I have seen interviews where victim's families only had peace after forgiving a murderer. Even though they have forgiveness they should still serve their jail sentence.
 

memanpa

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Econ101 said:
RR, what do you think about Dick Cheny and his personal stance on this issue in his own family?

personally i would only hope HE supports his family!! to do so would be wrong!
support the family does not mean he totally agrees their lifestyle.

case in point
if someone in your family done something that you disagreed with morally, legally or other means would you no longer support them?
if so what about the child that breaks a law no matter what severity. send him to siberia and isolate him/her.

support means more than SUSCRIBING to their beliefs!!!


i support KOLo's efforts to send packages to the troops. i do not support HER beliefs.

once you turn your back on family you become a DIS
 

Econ101

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Red Robin said:
It's the other part, the part about free will . You don't even understand the topic.

We all have free will. We have the will to do right or to sin. That doesn't mean sinning is right. No, I don't understand the topic. Please explain it.
 

jodywy

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It's the other part, the part about free will
I feel I don't have the right to force someone to accept my will, I can teach them but not force them.
Like some one that chooses a life of homosexuality , or an addition to tobacco, alcohol or drugs, they given up some of their will and control to this addiction. But I feel God will not test us harder then what will we have to over come what ever affliction that been place before us. Some will use their will and avoid the affliction while others feel they have the right to try or do as they please.
 

Red Robin

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jodywy said:
It's the other part, the part about free will
I feel I don't have the right to force someone to accept my will, I can teach them but not force them.
Jody, you don't believe that. If I knew someone was pointing a gun at you and fixing to shoot you, do you want me to try to educate them or take their free will away from them? These are phrases that have grown in popularity in my lifetime. They are phrases that have been used to evoke compassion , and they do, but they really don't have any meaning. However we live in a society that places the ultimate value on compassion. It trumps truth in most circles. In reality most people that use the free will arugment in the case of homosexuality either don't think homosexuality is wrong or they don't want to take a stand against it even though they know it's wrong. Either way you can do what you like but it certainly isn't more noble.
 

Econ101

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Red Robin said:
jodywy said:
It's the other part, the part about free will
I feel I don't have the right to force someone to accept my will, I can teach them but not force them.
Jody, you don't believe that. If I knew someone was pointing a gun at you and fixing to shoot you, do you want me to try to educate them or take their free will away from them? These are phrases that have grown in popularity in my lifetime. They are phrases that have been used to evoke compassion , and they do, but they really don't have any meaning. However we live in a society that places the ultimate value on compassion. It trumps truth in most circles. In reality most people that use the free will arugment in the case of homosexuality either don't think homosexuality is wrong or they don't want to take a stand against it even though they know it's wrong. Either way you can do what you like but it certainly isn't more noble.

RR, how about divorce? The Bible is against it, but it is pretty prevalent. Are you against divorce? How about looking and lusting after other women? The Bible says that if you think it, you are guilty of a sin. The Bible doesn't rate these sins from best to worst. They are all sins.

You don't have to support abortion, homosexuality, or divorce, but you might have to stand a little of them. Why not work on trying to change the individual into not accepting these things for themselves?
 

jodywy

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oh I belive in the right to protect my self, probally more gun im my house then most ....but I don't smoke, but I get pissed off when the government say people can't smoke in say a bar.... my thoughts if the patrons don't want smoke there they won't go till the owner change the rules.... not the government.Thought satan was going to make us all fallow the rules that why he was cast out.
 

jodywy

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few years ago little brother had a meth problem, was really hard on the family, we could of forced him to go to dry out but to what end, When he had fallen far enought and he made up his mind he went on his own with our support. He slipped once he was out but has now been dry for over 5 years. He goes to AA, NA meeting a couple times a week. In a way he is a hero , he has a addiction but fights it one day at a time that turns into weeks and years....
 

Steve

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It's easy to cast stones but when your loved one or close friend is the one with the difficult lifestyle or serious problems, you support them.

if "liberals" are so understanding of this then why are they making such a big deal out of the Cheney family?

during the debates when edwards said his answer, and Vice President Cheney responded....
"Well, Gwen," Cheney said, "let me simply thank the senator for the kind words he said about my family and our daughter. I appreciate that very much."

"That's it?" Ifill asked.

"That's it," Cheney said.

By the way President Bush's response:
The fuss began when Kerry mentioned Mary Cheney during Wednesday night's debate in his reply to a question, "Do you think homosexuality is a choice?"

After Bush replied, "I don't know. I just don't know," and urged the need for tolerance,

seems that the fuse is made by the dems to make a point... yet when the Republicans say we are tolerant of the person dispite our belief it is wrong.....we're attacked....

it is easy Dems to be tolerant of an act if you believe it is acceptable....

...try it when your believe it is wrong, yet still want to care for the person.....because they are family.....friends or just people we know....then the tolerance becomes more of a faith issue.....in most of our beliefs we still can love, respect and care for the person....while not accepting the behavior....

by the liberals constantly bringing up Mary Cheney shows a lack of tolerance for any one who is not exactly like they are.... ....and that is the really scary issue......
 

Red Robin

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jodywy said:
Thought satan was going to make us all fallow the rules that why he was cast out.
Lucifer (Satan, the Devil, the old serpent) was cast out of heaven because of pride. He wanted to be equal to God. Not unlike us when we assume our ideas are as good as Gods. What made you think that satan was cast out of heaven for trying to make us follow the rules? Never heard of that idea.
 

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