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nonothing

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there is a saying I have heard for many years and ot used it today..he said" the buck stops here"..Ok i am asking where excactly does the buck stop and by whom?.....does the buck just fade away to nothing? does it die with someone?..who in the end does the buck stop with?
 

Big Muddy rancher

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nonothing said:
there is a saying I have heard for many years and ot used it today..he said" the buck stops here"..Ok i am asking where excactly does the buck stop and by whom?.....does the buck just fade away to nothing? does it die with someone?..who in the end does the buck stop with?

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/the-buck-stops-here.html
 

per

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Harry Truman it seems. In reality the buck never stops and I would argue that the buck doesn't have any real value so I guess it really could vanish into thin air.

The buck stops here
Meaning

Responsibility is not passed on beyond this point.

Origin

U.S. president Harry S. Truman had a sign with this inscription on his desk. This was meant to indicate that he didn't 'pass the buck' to anyone else but accepted personal responsibility for the way the country was governed.

Truman didn't originate the phrase, although it isn't likely that we would ever have heard of it had he not adopted it.

Fred M. Canfil, United States Marshal for the Western District of Missouri and a friend of Truman's, saw a sign like it while visiting the Federal Reformatory at El Reno, Oklahoma in 1945. He thought it would appeal to the plain-speaking Truman and arranged for a copy of it to be made and sent to him. It was seen on the President's desk on and off throughout the rest of his presidency.

On the reverse side, i.e. the side that Truman saw, it was inscribed, "I'm from Missouri". That's a short form of "I'm from Missouri. Show me". Natives of that state (a.k.a. the Show Me State), which included Truman, were known for their skeptical nature.



It is highly likey that the original of the sign that Canfil saw was the one on the desk of retired army officer Colonel A. B. Warfield, or a copy of it. In 1931, Warfield was quartermaster supply officer and general superintendent of the US Army Transport Service of the New York General Army Depot.

During WWII, Warfield was commandant of the Lathrop Holding and Reconsignment depot at Stockton, California and he had such a sign on his desk and was photograph with it in October 1942 for a story in the Reno Evening Gazette. He may have used the sign as early as 1931 but, as the photo makes evident, his use of the phrase clearly predates Truman's.
 

Clarencen

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I think the buck stops on all the common people. The one's who pay the taxes, keep the engines running, the pumps pumping, the electricity flowing and the food on our tables.

During his presidency, I did not think to much of Truman, but since then I have come to admire and respect him. He was vice president, but Roosevelt although he was a sick man, walking on thin ice tended to ignore him and leave him out. Truman really had no part in anything unless need to break a tie vote in the Senate, Still he knew what responsibility might fall on him. so he did not set idle, hekept himself quite well informed. He took on a very heavy responsibility, and did quite well.

He really had nothing to do with the planning of the A bomb, maybe not so much even in the decision to use it, still he was the one who had to say go. It was an awesome decision to make, no one really knew the death and destruction it would do. We were at a point where to win the war we had to invade Japan, we can only guess what that would have encountered. All in all, when we look back maybe he did save lives. Only recently, have some of the people who were waiting to invade Japan have expressed the feeling they had at that time.
 
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Anonymous

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Lonecowboy said:
My oh my how times have changed! Now the buck has stopped with George Bush and can't seemto go any further.

Unless you are a goosestep follower of the (R) cult- and seem to want to blame it all on Clinton or Carter- or any (D) that served in Congress since....


Now some of the radical talking head media blabberers, in their desire to stir the mob frenzy of the extremists so they can better profiteer themselves, are even blaming all our problems on old Teddy.....



Glenn Beck Should Revere TheodoreRoosevelt
Monday, 03 May 2010 08:51 AM
By: Christopher Ruddy

It is remarkable that TheodoreRoosevelt (TR to his friends), who has been beloved as an iconic patriot and president, would become a controversial figure today.

This unusual development is largely due to the rise ofGlenn Beck.

Glenn has been right on many issues and his views are resonating with Main Street.

But he is wrong on one big issue: TheodoreRoosevelt is not, as he claims, the root cause of President Obama’s intrusive, “big government” policies.

It is no accident that TR’s face is chiseled into Mount Rushmore along with those of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln, as he is rightly regarded by historians as one of the greatest presidents in American history.

He was raised to that height in the national consciousness by the weight of important achievements that significantly advanced the interests of the United States.

Strong in this belief, I have foundGlenn Beck’s criticism of TR surprising.

At his CPAC speech this past February,Glenn said that TR was largely responsible for the “progressive” encroachments we are seeing today. Elsewhere, he has described TR as a “weird progressive,” and said that TR started the idea that the United States should not be a sovereign nation.

A few words of disclosure here: I am an ardent TheodoreRoosevelt devotee and have been a longtime member of the TheodoreRoosevelt Association (the membership roster has me listed after another TRA member, Karl Rove).

And my brother, Daniel Ruddy, a historian, is the author of a new book called “TheodoreRoosevelt’s History of the United States” (published by Harper Collins). It draws upon TR’s own words to construct a unique history of the United States based onRoosevelt’s colorful insights and provocative views.


After reading it, I was awed. I was glad to see my high opinion of the book confirmed by the high praise my brother has already received from historians, including Pulitzer Prize-winning author Edmund Morris (who has studied TR’s life for 30 years and penned the book’s Foreword), as well as Douglas Brinkley and Thomas Fleming.

Dan’s book should put to rest the idea that TR was “weird” or had any extra-constitutional agenda.

Glenn Beck is correct in stating thatRoosevelt was among America’s first progressives. To accurately portray TR today, we must widen our perspective and see him in the full context of his life and times.

Roosevelt embraced a progressive agenda, one that called for establishing a “progressive” income tax, giving women the right to vote, creating laws banning child labor, instituting anti-monopoly regulations, and other programs. Many of his positions are accepted by most reasonable Americans today.

The policies advocated by TR were not those of some social engineer who wanted to remake the United States based on a Saul Alinsky radical model.

Remember that TR’s generation was dominated by ruthless “robber barons” who did not hesitate to use devious means to eliminate competition.

While TR wanted sensible reform, he was no socialist. In an excerpt from my brother’s book, TR said: “To say that the thriftless, the lazy, the vicious, the incapable, ought to have the reward given to those who are farsighted, capable, and upright, is to say what is not true and cannot be true. Let us try to level up, but let us beware the evil of leveling down.”

It is difficult to imagine Barack Obama uttering such sentiments.

Like all great statesmen in the history of our republic, TR listened to the American people.

His hero was the Great Emancipator, Abraham Lincoln.Roosevelt was deeply impressed with Lincoln’s political sagacity, noting that, “Lincoln stood with the radicals to abolish slavery and with the conservatives to save the Union, and he was right in both cases.”

And that is what TheodoreRoosevelt always tried to do, to act according to the practical needs of the occasion, to make America strong and No. 1 on the world stage.
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
Lonecowboy said:
My oh my how times have changed! Now the buck has stopped with George Bush and can't seemto go any further.

Unless you are a goosestep follower of the (R) cult- and seem to want to blame it all on Clinton or Carter- or any (D) that served in Congress since....


Now some of the radical talking head media blabberers, in their desire to stir the mob frenzy of the extremists so they can better profiteer themselves, are even blaming all our problems on old Teddy.....



Glenn Beck Should Revere TheodoreRoosevelt
Monday, 03 May 2010 08:51 AM
By: Christopher Ruddy

It is remarkable that TheodoreRoosevelt (TR to his friends), who has been beloved as an iconic patriot and president, would become a controversial figure today.

This unusual development is largely due to the rise ofGlenn Beck.

Glenn has been right on many issues and his views are resonating with Main Street.

But he is wrong on one big issue: TheodoreRoosevelt is not, as he claims, the root cause of President Obama’s intrusive, “big government” policies.

It is no accident that TR’s face is chiseled into Mount Rushmore along with those of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln, as he is rightly regarded by historians as one of the greatest presidents in American history.

He was raised to that height in the national consciousness by the weight of important achievements that significantly advanced the interests of the United States.

Strong in this belief, I have foundGlenn Beck’s criticism of TR surprising.

At his CPAC speech this past February,Glenn said that TR was largely responsible for the “progressive” encroachments we are seeing today. Elsewhere, he has described TR as a “weird progressive,” and said that TR started the idea that the United States should not be a sovereign nation.

A few words of disclosure here: I am an ardent TheodoreRoosevelt devotee and have been a longtime member of the TheodoreRoosevelt Association (the membership roster has me listed after another TRA member, Karl Rove).

And my brother, Daniel Ruddy, a historian, is the author of a new book called “TheodoreRoosevelt’s History of the United States” (published by Harper Collins). It draws upon TR’s own words to construct a unique history of the United States based onRoosevelt’s colorful insights and provocative views.


After reading it, I was awed. I was glad to see my high opinion of the book confirmed by the high praise my brother has already received from historians, including Pulitzer Prize-winning author Edmund Morris (who has studied TR’s life for 30 years and penned the book’s Foreword), as well as Douglas Brinkley and Thomas Fleming.

Dan’s book should put to rest the idea that TR was “weird” or had any extra-constitutional agenda.

Glenn Beck is correct in stating thatRoosevelt was among America’s first progressives. To accurately portray TR today, we must widen our perspective and see him in the full context of his life and times.

Roosevelt embraced a progressive agenda, one that called for establishing a “progressive” income tax, giving women the right to vote, creating laws banning child labor, instituting anti-monopoly regulations, and other programs. Many of his positions are accepted by most reasonable Americans today.

The policies advocated by TR were not those of some social engineer who wanted to remake the United States based on a Saul Alinsky radical model.

Remember that TR’s generation was dominated by ruthless “robber barons” who did not hesitate to use devious means to eliminate competition.

While TR wanted sensible reform, he was no socialist. In an excerpt from my brother’s book, TR said: “To say that the thriftless, the lazy, the vicious, the incapable, ought to have the reward given to those who are farsighted, capable, and upright, is to say what is not true and cannot be true. Let us try to level up, but let us beware the evil of leveling down.”

It is difficult to imagine Barack Obama uttering such sentiments.

Like all great statesmen in the history of our republic, TR listened to the American people.


His hero was the Great Emancipator, Abraham Lincoln.Roosevelt was deeply impressed with Lincoln’s political sagacity, noting that, “Lincoln stood with the radicals to abolish slavery and with the conservatives to save the Union, and he was right in both cases.”

And that is what TheodoreRoosevelt always tried to do, to act according to the practical needs of the occasion, to make America strong and No. 1 on the world stage.

OT, did you notice the differences that this author pointed out between Teddy and obama? Beck points those differences out too, but he also highlights what it was about TR that obama espouses to be, and how those traits are detrimental to the Country without exhibiting the positive attributes also.
 

jingo2

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Reps blamed Clinton for everything.......Dems blame Bush for everythiing...... now the Rep's will blame Obama for eeverything...

It's just a circle jerk.................
 

Steve

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nonothing said:
there is a saying I have heard for many years and ot used it today..he said" the buck stops here"..Ok i am asking where excactly does the buck stop and by whom?.....does the buck just fade away to nothing? does it die with someone?..who in the end does the buck stop with?

like blame, responsibility, politics and everything else.. unless you stuff your buck under a mattress it is in circulation...

unlike days of the past it seems no one is taking responsibility ,let alone saving a buck...
 

hypocritexposer

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jingo2 said:
Reps blamed Clinton for everything.......Dems blame Bush for everythiing...... now the Rep's will blame Obama for eeverything...

It's just a circle jerk.................

Not sure you noticed, but there are many Dems and Independents that are also blaming obama.
 
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